Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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marting said:
Apparently the shooter is transgender.

https://news3lv.com/news/nation-wor...hia-peak-katherine-koonce-mike-hill-christian

Police also identified the shooter as Audrey Elizabeth Hale, a Nashville resident. The police chief said Hale identifies as transgender.

This kids killed were all 9 y/o.

The latest Tweet by BNO News Live states, 'Nashville shooter was a transgender woman who had drawn detailed maps of the school and left a manifesto. Police chief says they're investigating the possibility that her identity is linked to the motive'
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How old was the shooter ?
 
marting said:
Apparently the shooter is transgender.
Police also identified the shooter as Audrey Elizabeth Hale, a Nashville resident. The police chief said Hale identifies as transgender.
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So we still don't know if the shooter is male or female then. I'm assuming male, identifying as female.

This sort of trans-inclusive language obfuscates rather than illuminates,
 
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Dr.Sid said:
How old was the shooter ?
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28 y/o. Apparently she attended the school as a kid. Presumably before transitioning.

Could well be some sort of emotional conflict getting raised in a religious school and later development as an adult.
 
While police initially described the suspect as a 28-year-old white woman, social media profiles under Hale’s name list he/him pronouns.

Not clear to me whether he/she was born female or male. From the above it looks like he (using his most recent preferred pronouns) was born female then transitioned.
 
marting said:
While police initially described the suspect as a 28-year-old white woman, social media profiles under Hale’s name list he/him pronouns.

Not clear to me whether he/she was born female or male. From the above it looks like he (using his most recent preferred pronouns) was born female then transitioned.
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William Parcher said:
Daily Mail has a mugshot of the shooter. They say born male, I think.
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That seems to be the most common take. However:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/mar/27/audrey-hale-identified-nashville-school-shooter-re/

A heavily armed woman who identified as a male killed three students and three adult staff members Monday at a private Christian school in Nashville, Tennessee, before police shot her dead, in a rare mass shooting carried out by a female suspect.
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Note that the Washington Times is a right wing (moonies?) but anti-trump newspaper.

I think there is a general expectation that it's males that do this and that biological males are more likely than biologically females to do so trans or not.

It's widely reported that the killer is a woman trans and most seem to be interpreting this as the shooter was born male and transition to female. Not the reverse.
 
Ron Obvious said:
So we still don't know if the shooter is male or female then. I'm assuming male, identifying as female.
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Why? Isn't a bit early to be 'assuming'?

This sort of trans-inclusive language obfuscates rather than illuminates,
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I don't see how. The language is clear. It's up to the writer to be more explicit, if they have to information to do so. Perhaps they did not know themselves, and phrased their article accordingly.
 
quadraginta said:
Why? Isn't a bit early to be 'assuming'?

I don't see how. The language is clear. It's up to the writer to be more explicit, if they have to information to do so. Perhaps they did not know themselves, and phrased their article accordingly.
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The media seem to know how to write about trans women (born male) in the news. Suddenly it is a female, transitioned to male, uses he/him, renamed Aiden... seemed clear it would be a trans man.

But all the news are saying Audrey Hale, 28yr old female, identifying as transgender. They use 'she' and 'her'. In previous news reports, the 'she' and 'transgender' would mean it was someone born male.

Just when i got used to the new lingo, they mix and match for this one.
 
Sherkeu said:
The media seem to know how to write about trans women (born male) in the news. Suddenly it is a female, transitioned to male, uses he/him, renamed Aiden... seemed clear it would be a trans man.

But all the news are saying Audrey Hale, 28yr old female, identifying as transgender. They use 'she' and 'her'. In previous news reports, the 'she' and 'transgender' would mean it was someone born male.

Just when i got used to the new lingo, they mix and match for this one.
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Yeah. Interesting how unclear language is.

The New York Times has a good summary here and discusses the confusion.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/27/us/nashville-shooting-covenant-school

There was confusion about the gender identity of the assailant in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Officials used “she” and “her” to refer to the shooter, and Chief Drake said that the assailant identified as transgender.

Kristin Mumford, a police spokeswoman, said that the shooter had been born female but listed male pronouns on a LinkedIn profile, which suggested that the suspect was a transgender man. That profile had been active in recent months, with the user reacting to two posts about other people’s career updates.

In response to a reporter’s question about whether the attacker’s gender identity was connected to the shooting, Chief Drake said, “We’re investigating all the leads.”
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It's standard to report age and sex in situations like this. But this shows how unclear that can be. Of course people want to get an idea of the motivation of shooters which is why this is reported. Very unusual that a female shoots up a school. I recall one incident where a female juvenile did so long ago saying she didn't like Mondays. I think a song was made from that.
 
Sherkeu said:
The media seem to know how to write about trans women (born male) in the news. Suddenly it is a female, transitioned to male, uses he/him, renamed Aiden... seemed clear it would be a trans man.

But all the news are saying Audrey Hale, 28yr old female, identifying as transgender. They use 'she' and 'her'. In previous news reports, the 'she' and 'transgender' would mean it was someone born male.

Just when i got used to the new lingo, they mix and match for this one.
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It's not your fault that the writers can't be bothered to use the right language. If they even know how to, that is.

It isn't that the terminology is complicated or unclear, it's that many (most?) people feel like it's unimportant and too much trouble for them to even care about learning.

Maybe this will help;

Transwoman; assigned male at birth. Transitions to female afterwards.

Transman; assigned female at birth. Transitions to male afterwards.

It isn't all that hard, really.
 
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