To all those who said a virtual fence is the answer …

[BeAChooser]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...erfence_18tex.ART.State.Edition1.414dbb9.html

WASHINGTON – Taxpayers have shelled out at least $15.1 million per mile for 53 miles of "virtual fence" built to secure the U.S.-Mexico border, more than 12 times the original estimate.

Just build a real, high walled, double fence and be done with it.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...erfence_18tex.ART.State.Edition1.414dbb9.html



Just build a real, high walled, double fence and be done with it.

With automated thermo-imaging, motion sensing chain gun turrets.

 

[BeAChooser]

http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2010/06/dhs-official-says-virtual-fenc.php

The Homeland Security Department likely will cancel a program to install sensors and cameras to detect illegal immigrants entering the United States from Mexico, and possibly pursue projects that are tailored to specific areas along the border, the head of the Secure Border Initiative told Congress Thursday

Mark Borkowski, executive director of SBInet at the Homeland Security Department, told a joint meeting of the House Subcommittee on Management, Investigations and Oversight, and the Subcommittee on Border, Maritime and Global Counterterrorism that the original plan to deploy the program along the entire border is unlikely, Nextgov.com reported.

And replace it with what? Because you are going to replace it with something, aren't you?

Might I suggest a REAL fence? A double layered one. A tall one. Maybe even the kind of fence the Israelis have built along their border? Why I bet we could even subcontract the work out to them and be reasonably certain it would be completed on time and within budget. Wouldn't that be a first for our government.

 

[kevinquinnyo]

Why build a fence at all?

Why not just ease up and let people flow into the country?

The more, the merrier

 

[BeAChooser]

Why not just ease up and let people flow into the country?

Out trolling?

 

[Random]

Why build a fence at all?

Why not just ease up and let people flow into the country?

The more, the merrier

Or if you want want to keep illegal workers out, eliminate the market for illegal workers. If illegal laborers can't get jobs in the US, they won't come to the US, and a wall becomes unnecessary.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

With automated thermo-imaging, motion sensing chain gun turrets.

Finally, someone who is serious about immigration reform!

 

[BeAChooser]

Or if you want want to keep illegal workers out, eliminate the market for illegal workers. If illegal laborers can't get jobs in the US, they won't come to the US, and a wall becomes unnecessary.

This is an even emptier promise than the virtual fence because we already know that the federal government doesn't enforce the existing laws designed to prevent illegals from holding jobs.

 

[MikeMangum]

With automated thermo-imaging, motion sensing chain gun turrets.

Maybe not chain guns, but those sticky foam turrets from The Incredibles would be awesome.

 

[funk de fino]

America would not be the great place it is today if they had not managed to keep out all those pesky immigrants.

Thank God the USA bloodline is as pure as snow.

 

[MikeMangum]

Or if you want want to keep illegal workers out, eliminate the market for illegal workers. If illegal laborers can't get jobs in the US, they won't come to the US, and a wall becomes unnecessary.

That's what the Federal government said it would do the last time they declared an amnesty. "We'll grant an amnesty, but in addition, we'll tighten up border security and employment eforcement...honest!"

On this particular issue (moreso than others) DC has a credibility problem.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

America would not be the great place it is today if they had not managed to keep out all those pesky immigrants.

Thank God the USA bloodline is as pure as snow.

Hmm, strawman has a point! What if we kept out all of those immigrants? I'm sure the natives would be much happier and have 100% less small pox for starters...

 

[Random]

That's what the Federal government said it would do the last time they declared an amnesty. "We'll grant an amnesty, but in addition, we'll tighten up border security and employment eforcement...honest!"

On this particular issue (moreso than others) DC has a credibility problem.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

But that's the problem isn't it? There are powerful interests who want to keep their access to cheap undocumented labor. The politicians in DC don't want to anger them, so they don't really do what they need to do to fix the problem (go after the employers).

Instead, we get pointless posturing about borders and walls and keeping illegal immigrants out. I mean, we haven't been able to keep illegal drugs from coming into the country after over half a century of trying, do you really think we can keep out illegal immigrants with a magic fence?

Go after the employers, eliminate the market, and illegal immigrants just won't want to come here.

 

[BeAChooser]

I would ask posters to stick to the topic of the thread ... that of the virtual fence versus a real fence. In my opinion, the virtual fence solution was offered by those just trying to keep something effective, like a real fence, from being built. Many of them weren't really serious about it working. And now that it's clear, in any case, that one can't be affordably built, are there any other solutions you wish to offer in lieu of a real fence? Or can we all finally agree to try building a real fence?

 

[kevinquinnyo]

Out trolling?

No. I support open immigration.

 

[kevinquinnyo]

I would ask posters to stick to the topic of the thread ... that of the virtual fence versus a real fence. In my opinion, the virtual fence solution was offered by those just trying to keep something effective, like a real fence, from being built. Many of them weren't really serious about it working. And now that it's clear, in any case, that one can't be affordably built, are there any other solutions you wish to offer in lieu of a real fence? Or can we all finally agree to try building a real fence?

I agree, I guess I'm highjacking your thread. Just wanted to suppose that the premise itself might be BS to begin with.


Hot air balloon or motor car sort of debate I guess

 

[BeAChooser]

I support open immigration.

You hear that America? Kevin is for open borders. Freely admits it. Now do you really want his philosophy to prevail? Do you think that won't negatively affect your life? Because if you don't agree with him, you'd better get out there and vote out the people who are for open borders ... and that would be the democrats ... in coming elections. As is, it may already be too late. Because it's now the Rule of Obama, not the Rule of Law.

 

[kevinquinnyo]

You hear that America? Kevin is for open borders. Freely admits it. Now do you really want his philosophy to prevail? Do you think that won't negatively affect your life? Because if you don't agree with him, you'd better get out there and vote out the people who are for open borders ... and that would be the democrats ... in coming elections. As is, it may already be too late. Because it's now the Rule of Obama, not the Rule of Law.

ah, shut up

 

[Wildy]

This is an even emptier promise than the virtual fence because we already know that the federal government doesn't enforce the existing laws designed to prevent illegals from holding jobs.

So the government needs to take a more active role in the regulation of the workforce?

 

[BeAChooser]

So the government needs to take a more active role in the regulation of the workforce?

Nah, the government just needs to build a REAL fence.

Then we won't have to depend so much on the whims of Federal and State governments to keep things to a manageable and tolerable level.