Titanic tourist sub missing

[TurkeysGhost]

And if it did implode, who the hell has been hammering every half hour?

Something else. Ocean full of all kinds of junk. Something bumping against something else, rescue crews hearing eachother, who knows? Stupid fish headbutting a rock?

 

[shemp]

CNN has some "expert" saying that there could be debris from the sub even if the sub didn't implode, and that they could still be alive.

 

[shemp]

Something else. Ocean full of all kinds of junk. Something bumping against something else, rescue crews hearing eachother, who knows? Stupid fish headbutting a rock?

Whale sex? Or maybe there are Titanic survivors in the "watertight hulls", still waiting for rescue after 111 years!

 

[lobosrul5]

Whale sex?

Nah, it was hammerhead sharks.

 

[Myriad]

I'm semi-seriously thinking about the railings and stuff. Like, they are still under the pressure of two and a half miles of water column. When they initially located the Titanic back in I think the 80's, I sort of expected a flattened out tin can. Not imploded, just crushed.

Ah, understandable. The difference is, fluid pressure is omnidirectional, unlike the pressure from a pair of pliers or an industrial hydraulic press that would crush things "flat" in a particular direction.

A railing of hollow metal tubing sinking to thousand-meter depth could be crushed flat, like a paper straw with the air sucked completely out of it. But if it's not completely airtight, the high-pressure water will force its way inside first, so that the pressure inside pushes just as hard on the interior of the tubing as the pressure outside pushes on the exterior. Similarly, any piece of solid metal just gets squeezed equally from all sides, so it doesn't deform.

 

[shemp]

At Fox News, the important question is "how is Hunter Biden tied to this?"

 

[shemp]

Oceangate has issued a statement that they believe the sub and occupants have been lost.

 

[lobosrul5]

Ah, understandable. The difference is, fluid pressure is omnidirectional, unlike the pressure from a pair of pliers or an industrial hydraulic press that would crush things "flat" in a particular direction.

A railing of hollow metal tubing sinking to thousand-meter depth could be crushed flat, like a paper straw with the air sucked completely out of it. But if it's not completely airtight, the high-pressure water will force its way inside first, so that the pressure inside pushes just as hard on the interior of the tubing as the pressure outside pushes on the exterior. Similarly, any piece of solid metal just gets squeezed equally from all sides, so it doesn't deform.

To add: it is pretty likely that the bodies of passengers of the Titan are indeed within the hull still, and the hull is recognizable. It likely wouldn't have been crushed flat evenly, it would've been punctured at a small point and filled with water in milliseconds.

I recall reading about a US Navy sub that sank in deep water, and the salvage team did recover some bodies.

 

[Andy_Ross]

At Fox News, the important question is "how is Hunter Biden tied to this?"

With stout rope.

 

[Mike!]

Oceangate has announced they believe the crew and passengers have perished.

ETA:

Oceangate has issued a statement that they believe the sub and occupants have been lost.

 

[Myriad]

To add: it is pretty likely that the bodies of passengers of the Titan are indeed within the hull still, and the hull is recognizable. It likely wouldn't have been crushed flat evenly, it would've been punctured at a small point and filled with water in milliseconds.

I recall reading about a US Navy sub that sank in deep water, and the salvage team did recover some bodies.

It's possible, but I wouldn't call it pretty likely. There's a reason the word "implosion" comes up in such scenarios. If you're thinking along the lines of the hull being crushed like a beer can, that's probably not the kind of end result you'd see. Think instead of a balloon popping, except inward instead of outward. (It's not a great metaphor but it's the same kind of distinction. The air could leak slowly out the hole in the balloon but it doesn't usually play out that way.) Also, composite carbon fiber doesn't bend like metal. It's really strong but when it does break, it splinters apart almost like wood.

 

[lobosrul5]

It's possible, but I wouldn't call it pretty likely. There's a reason the word "implosion" comes up in such scenarios. If you're thinking along the lines of the hull being crushed like a beer can, that's probably not the kind of end result you'd see. Think instead of a balloon popping, except inward instead of outward. (It's not a great metaphor but it's the same kind of distinction. The air could leak slowly out the hole in the balloon but it doesn't usually play out that way.) Also, composite carbon fiber doesn't bend like metal. It's really strong but when it does break, it splinters apart almost like wood.

Ahh, yeah good point. As an F1 fan, the amount of bits of carbon fiber ive seen littered everywhere is.... probably tons by now.

 

[Myriad]

USCG at press conference is reporting debris consistent with complete implosion of the vessel, including both of the hemispheres that formed the ends of the pressure hull.

Press are asking about bodies... USCG has a lot of experience in not stating in detail what the ocean (let alone the deep ocean) does to bodies.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

USCG at press conference is reporting debris consistent with complete implosion of the vessel, including both of the hemispheres that formed the ends of the pressure hull.

Press are asking about bodies... USCG has a lot of experience in not stating in detail what the ocean (let alone the deep ocean) does to bodies.

A situation begging for the euphemism "buried at sea"

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Going back to that employee who was fired for bringing up safety issues.

Lochridge also expressed concern that the company planned for the sub to rely on an acoustic monitoring system to detect if the hull was breaking down or about to fail. That wouldn't provide much help in an emergency, Lochridge claimed in the filing, because the acoustic analysis would only alert people about imminent problems, "often milliseconds before an implosion."

Lochridge claimed the submersible needed additional types of tests to ensure its hull could withstand the rigors of deep-sea exploration. "Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew," his legal filing claims.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/titanic-submarine-oceangate-hull-safety-lawsuit/

If they were really relying on real-time monitoring of the hull and assuming they'd have time to resurface should problems arise, that's insane.

 

[Myriad]

A situation begging for the euphemism "buried at sea"

"Full fathom two thousand eighty thy father lies..."

 

[Myriad]

The cause of the banging has been determined to be two kids with snorkels and a fake shark fin.

 

[pgwenthold]

Of course, what pops into my head:

I wonder if they got to see the wreck before the sub crumpled?

(kind of like the Everest question of "Did they summit?")

Consider Hawk in Space Cowboys.

Sure, he ended up dying, but he made it to the moon so presumably he died happy.

 

[Mike!]

I've heard it reported the boy didn't want to go, but went to make his father happy.

 

[Checkmite]

USCG at press conference is reporting debris consistent with complete implosion of the vessel, including both of the hemispheres that formed the ends of the pressure hull.

That's that I suppose.

Press are asking about bodies... USCG has a lot of experience in not stating in detail what the ocean (let alone the deep ocean) does to bodies.

As opposed to bodies trapped in a wreckage that descended from the surface, I don't reckon a sudden near-instantaneous implosion at depth leaves much to be examined; they are likely whatever the underwater version of "pink mist" is. One with the sea.