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Time Travel

I'm sure that this will result in heated argument, which is not what I am aiming for. Nor do I wish to derail the thread. It's perhaps still worth pointing out:

These scenarios are only paradoxical if you assume that we have free will.
 
Well said. I was just about to post a very harsh reply to that comment involving her (him?) standing by with a bucket and mop while...never mind.

I think the slightly better idea would be to go back in time and stop whatever influence gave these people the ideas of bloodshed/tyranny. Assuming we still had our time machine. Do you reckon you could make one in the shape of a blue policebox? :)
 
Perhaps time travel is possible, but the travelers get caught in a paradox every time.

Or maybe the smoke monster gets them.
 
So many time-traveler wannabes site removing Hitler as the pinnacle of fantasy achievment.

"Everybody's in favour of saving Hitler's brain, but try putting it in the body of a great white shark and... oooohh... suddenly you've gone too far!"

:D
 
Assuming we still had our time machine. Do you reckon you could make one in the shape of a blue policebox? :)

It'd probably be stolen too, and have a knackered chameleon circuit to boot.

Time travel paradoxes are very familiar to such science fiction writers. The question is, what does physicis to make of them? Do they imply that time travel is a non starter, or that reality is more complex than we suppose? This is where, as per usual, opinions start to diverge. There are some theoretical physicists, most notably David Deutsch, that maintain the way out of this is to assume that there are multiple realities, so that when you travel back into the past, the world you change is not the same one that you left, but a parallel imitation - a bit like Everett's Many Worlds in reverse.. This perhaps answers Hawking's main objection as to why reverse time travel is impossible by virtue of the fact that we haven't yet been overrun by people from the future.

Hawking also proffered Chronology Protection Conjecture which says Time Machines contravene the laws of physics. Basically, such scientists argue that nature will conspire to prevent the building of a time machine - one possibility is that runaway surges in quantum energy would generate massive gravitational fields and turn any time machine into pulp.

Arguably, the best hope for erstwhile time travellers still comes from the General Theory of Relativity. Kurt Gödel used this to produce equations indicating the possibility of time travel to the past. He demonstrated that a rotating universe, consistent with Einstein’s theory, would allow you travel back in time. Given that his model was unlike the real universe we inhabit and also that even if we did live in such a universe, time travel would be practically unachievable because you would need a unfeasibly powerful energy source which to cover astronomical distances, Gödel’s work was nonetheless firm evidence that time travel to the past is, at least in theory, possible - where the beginning is actually just a continuation of the end. In Godel’s universe there is not time and any physical event if possible including going back in time and killing your ancestor and still living.

Since then, innumerable other scientists have suggested other solutions of general relativity that permit time travel to the past. Most rely on the prediction of the hypothetical existence of 'closed time-like curves'. There are supposedly ways of distorting space-time to make it curved in such a way that shortcuts through space-time exist allowing you to effectively travel faster than light and journey back into the past.

Attempt to bring anything like that up in this space, and you're unlikely to 'woo' anyone to your cause.

Personally I find Penrose's notion of 'cosmic censorship' the most interesting.

Regarding the prospect of being overrun with Time Travel Tourists from the future, what was that film, I'm sure it stared Jeff Bridges, in which there was a bunch of people doing just that? - turning up at the scene of infamous events or to spectate on historical natural disasters? I think they arrived in the film to view a large meteorite strike.
 
Wanted: Somebody to go back in time with me. This is not a joke. P.O. Box 322 Oakview, CA 93022. You'll get paid after we get back. Must bring your own weapons. Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.
 
Regarding the prospect of being overrun with Time Travel Tourists from the future, what was that film, I'm sure it stared Jeff Bridges, in which there was a bunch of people doing just that? - turning up at the scene of infamous events or to spectate on historical natural disasters? I think they arrived in the film to view a large meteorite strike.

It starred Jeff Daniels not Bridges and was called Timescape,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timescape_(1992_film)

one of my old favourites,
 
Anytime (pun intended) I hear about someone wanting to theoretically travel back in time to assassinate Hitler, I think of all the modern-day leaders who're committing atrocities and genocide (several African leaders come to mind) and wonder, "Why can't you just assassinate some of THEM, instead? It would certainly be easier than constructing a time machine!"

Actually I think that is a really good point. We know full well of the existence of some absolutely vile people right now in the world. I don't see anybody rushing out to assasinate them.
I guess because many of them are in African countries the west doesn't really care about.


Incidentally the book Making History by Stephen Fry takes another look at the killing Hitler scenario, with interesting results (although as per usual the hero somehow retains all his knowledge of now non-existent past).
 
Regarding the prospect of being overrun with Time Travel Tourists from the future, what was that film, I'm sure it stared Jeff Bridges, in which there was a bunch of people doing just that? - turning up at the scene of infamous events or to spectate on historical natural disasters? I think they arrived in the film to view a large meteorite strike.
incidentally there was another more recent movie that dealt with the subject of time travelling tourists coming back to watch natural (and unnatural) disasters that you might want to look up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrill_Seekers_(film)
It was called "time shifters" when it was released in the U.S.

imo it borrowed heavily from Timescapes, same plot, same details, but much better special effects
;)

then of course there was "a sound of thunder" originally written by Ray Bradbury, which featured tourists going back in time to hunt dinosaurs
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318081/
 
Actually I think that is a really good point. We know full well of the existence of some absolutely vile people right now in the world. I don't see anybody rushing out to assasinate them.
I guess because many of them are in African countries the west doesn't really care about.

Or maybe because the sudden removal of head chief would create a power vacuum that would most likely result in civil war. Perhaps why the CIA or MI5 haven't attempted already.

Though if you don't mind, it was a bit rude of you to bring the subject up, as the person who started the thread requested that as the thread was just for fun, the subject should be avoided.
 
Wanted: Somebody to go back in time with me. This is not a joke. P.O. Box 322 Oakview, CA 93022. You'll get paid after we get back. Must bring your own weapons. Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.

NB! Do not step on the butterflies.
 
Build a city out of Legos. Take it apart, and build a whole new different city out of the exact same Legos, using each and every Lego brick. Now take one of the little Lego people from the new city and try to have it visit the first city.

It took a few readings of this post to perceive its meaning. Nicely put, Piscivore!

Essentially, this idea states that while all of the same elements of the first city would still be present in the second, there would be no first city for the second city citizen to visit, thus describing "Piscivore's Crosstime Corollary to the Law of Conservation of Energy and Matter."

Again, nicely put!
 
It starred Jeff Daniels not Bridges and was called Timescape,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timescape_(1992_film)

one of my old favourites,

incidentally there was another more recent movie that dealt with the subject of time travelling tourists coming back to watch natural (and unnatural) disasters that you might want to look up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrill_Seekers_(film)
It was called "time shifters" when it was released in the U.S.

imo it borrowed heavily from Timescapes, same plot, same details, but much better special effects
;)

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Both based on the novella "Grand Tour: Disasters in Time" by Henry Kuttner & C. L. Moore. Excellent story.
 
It took a few readings of this post to perceive its meaning. Nicely put, Piscivore!

Essentially, this idea states that while all of the same elements of the first city would still be present in the second, there would be no first city for the second city citizen to visit, thus describing "Piscivore's Crosstime Corollary to the Law of Conservation of Energy and Matter."

Again, nicely put!

Thank you. :)
 
I was given my grandfather's wrist watch after he passed away at an old age. It's a good mechanical watch that he wore daily for most of his life and he had his name engraved on the back.

If I was a time traveller, I could go back to visit him wearing his watch on my wrist. What can be said about comparing the watches? They aren't simply similar or even identical... they are the same watch. Besides additional scratches and dirt, both watches contain the same molecules of iron and gold. How could they sit side-by-side in any world?
 
I was given my grandfather's wrist watch after he passed away at an old age. It's a good mechanical watch that he wore daily for most of his life and he had his name engraved on the back.

If I was a time traveller, I could go back to visit him wearing his watch on my wrist. What can be said about comparing the watches? They aren't simply similar or even identical... they are the same watch. Besides additional scratches and dirt, both watches contain the same molecules of iron and gold. How could they sit side-by-side in any world?

Exactly my point- and the same applies to the molecules that make up you. Some of what you are would be in your grandfather, his neighbors, the flora and fauna, the soil, the air, even in the sun- but all of what comprises "you" would be accounted for already someplace in the past. Time travel starts off with the assumption that the traveller is somehow separate and distinct from the "past", and that's just not so.
 
My high school math teacher insisted that be all had a bit of ceasars dying breath in our lungs. (the "e tu bruto" bit).
He could prove it.
 

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