Time Travel Chronicles

I just hope these time travelers have an "excellent adventure".

Where's the kitten Wollery?

Kittens have been outlawed. In any case, I don't think kittens are appropriate at this point. I do believe that trolls should be fed cute kittens, but I see no evidence that Edy_P is a troll (someone who posts things he or she doesn't really believe in order to provoke reactions).
 
>“1) Why would a time traveller demonstrating a computer to an ancient person read information from the boot screen!? Or more precisely, why would anyone preparing to show images from a CD_ROM (in this case "Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean") ever read numbers from the boot screen.”

The messenger cited by John, and reported by John as showing him things from the ‘sealed book’ and specifically telling him things – was teaching John how to run a cd-rom from the computer’s Window Manager screen.

Why was the time traveller (t.t.) teaching John how to run a CD-ROM? Why was it necessary to show John how to open the files? Surely the time traveller was not planning on leaving the computer with John.

Again, why did the t.t. choose a ridiculously out of date computer with an ridiculously unstable operating system when travelling back in time? I am assuming that the t.t. started from some date well beyond 2007.


>“2) Why would that time traveller who was reading numbers from the boot screen say twelve-thousand (or one-hundred twenty thousand) when looking at a time notation indicating midnight?”

This ties in with their previous encoding of historical information in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, in Rev chp 9 the total ‘troop number’ is also reported as a tenth less than actual historical figures. It was one of the ways they encoded info of troop numbers.

To John, this series of twelve numbers may have stood out as something special, so he asked what they were in relation to the main 144K number he was told. For some reason he interpreted them to refer to the children of Israel (tribes) – which is a reference to ‘troop numbers’ encoded in the Old Testament (hidden under the religious interpretation of ‘children of Israel’).

What a fantastic leap in logic. The time codes look nothing like large numbers. Between every pair of digits is a colon. Again we come to the core of the problem. You are starting with an assumption (time travellers showed circa 1993 computers to characters in the Bible) and are willing to make up interpretations out of
whole cloth to fit your idée fixe.

>>“You are starting with a theory (time travellers from the future took antiquated computers back a few thousand years)…..”

No. Time travellers from the future taking computers back a few thousand years is the conclusion based upon ten years of investigation.

But if one's investigations are faulty then it doesn't matter if there are ten years worth or one hundred years worth.

You look at a screen showing an image of a map with a circular graphic on one side (link) and conclude that Ezekiel must have seen this image. Did it ever occur to you that the person who drew that graphic design had read the Bible and decided to include the "wheels within wheels" design because he thought it was interesting? Isn't that explanation orders of magnitude simpler than time travelling computer users? Your opinions are clouding your reasoning. Look at the picture: wheels in the image you cite are not even in the sky - they are in the water.

Feel free to submit your ideas to archeologists or Bible scholars or theoretical physicists. A favorable peer review would go a long way in classifying these ideas as anything except unfounded assertions.
 
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Ezekiel describes Ancietns cd-rom imagery

>“You look at a screen showing an image of a map with a circular graphic on one side and conclude that Ezekiel must have seen this image.”

No. This image is just one of many dozens that he describes.
If this was the only image upon which I based my conclusion, then I may agree with you, but...

Ezekiel describes the Ancients cd-rom imagery in chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 40, 41.
For example:
In chapter 1 he first documents viewing the ‘five gods’ and the ‘sky’ of the Introduction sequence, the ‘fiery red Windrose’ of the Voyage screen, then the four animal icons from the middle of the Map Page, being a lion, a man's face, a she-wolf (cow), and a capital (that looks like curled wings of a bird) as well as describing the red block letters that flash up when the cursor is passed over each active animal icon (and that they moved due to a man's hand - ie. the hand controlling the computer's mouse).
The two part animated Sailboat cursor is described as ‘the spirit’ that made them ‘move’.

So we have Ezekiel describing images from the Introduction screen, the Voyage screen, the Map Page, then how the Sailboat cursor makes it move on to the next. The page that shows four blue wheels the same within a larger ring comes next (Places page from the Etruscan presentation), and is hence described in Ezekiel 1:15-18, along with how the red dots and white Headings for seventeen towns that are located on the Italian peninsula as "rings were full of eyes" being that they were full of visual information.

In 1:24 Ezekiel describes various sounds he heard.
"the noise of great waters" = the noise of breaking surf from the 'five gods' introduction sequence.
"the voice of the Almighty…speech" = the narrator's voice from the Military presentation.
"the noise of an army" = the battle sounds from the Military presentation.

In 1:26 Ezekiel documents seeing the Header section of the screen that contains various menu icons (such as the Places map icon) as "the likeness of a throne, above the firmament that was over their heads", and the History icon that is in the image of a soldier (man) as "the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it".

In 1:27-28 Ezekiel describes the Military icon which is a soldier (similar to the one depicted in the history icon) seen on the Etruscan main page. The "appearance of the brightness round about" = the white highlight box that appears around the soldier (and other icons) when the cursor passes over them.

Another active icon on the Etruscan page is the Temple icon. Chapters 40 & 41 describe exact measurements from the Etruscan Temple as well as first introducing wherein the cd-rom this Temple is to be found.

From over 30 verses 55 measurements and/or descriptions match exactly to those described by the biblical Ezekiel (40:2 to 41:13); plus we were told when to 'enter' the Temple, and when to 'enlarge' it: and all this was after he first introduced wherein the cd-rom this Temple could be found.

So the ‘wheels within wheels’ image matching to Ezekiel’s description is not an isolated guess nor an unfounded assertion.
 
The verse wherein Ezekiel describes "sudden blueness as of the firmament,
and the name thereon inscribed in gold of a mighty leader - General
Protection Fault" has been tragically lost...
 
>“You look at a screen showing an image of a map with a circular graphic on one side and conclude that Ezekiel must have seen this image.”

No. This image is just one of many dozens that he describes.
If this was the only image upon which I based my conclusion, then I may agree with you, but...

Ezekiel describes the Ancients cd-rom imagery in chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 40, 41.
For example:
In chapter 1 he first documents viewing the ‘five gods’ and the ‘sky’ of the Introduction sequence, the ‘fiery red Windrose’ of the Voyage screen, then the four animal icons from the middle of the Map Page, being a lion, a man's face, a she-wolf (cow), and a capital (that looks like curled wings of a bird) as well as describing the red block letters that flash up when the cursor is passed over each active animal icon (and that they moved due to a man's hand - ie. the hand controlling the computer's mouse).
The two part animated Sailboat cursor is described as ‘the spirit’ that made them ‘move’.

So we have Ezekiel describing images from the Introduction screen, the Voyage screen, the Map Page, then how the Sailboat cursor makes it move on to the next. The page that shows four blue wheels the same within a larger ring comes next (Places page from the Etruscan presentation), and is hence described in Ezekiel 1:15-18, along with how the red dots and white Headings for seventeen towns that are located on the Italian peninsula as "rings were full of eyes" being that they were full of visual information.

In 1:24 Ezekiel describes various sounds he heard.
"the noise of great waters" = the noise of breaking surf from the 'five gods' introduction sequence.
"the voice of the Almighty…speech" = the narrator's voice from the Military presentation.
"the noise of an army" = the battle sounds from the Military presentation.

In 1:26 Ezekiel documents seeing the Header section of the screen that contains various menu icons (such as the Places map icon) as "the likeness of a throne, above the firmament that was over their heads", and the History icon that is in the image of a soldier (man) as "the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it".

In 1:27-28 Ezekiel describes the Military icon which is a soldier (similar to the one depicted in the history icon) seen on the Etruscan main page. The "appearance of the brightness round about" = the white highlight box that appears around the soldier (and other icons) when the cursor passes over them.

Another active icon on the Etruscan page is the Temple icon. Chapters 40 & 41 describe exact measurements from the Etruscan Temple as well as first introducing wherein the cd-rom this Temple is to be found.

From over 30 verses 55 measurements and/or descriptions match exactly to those described by the biblical Ezekiel (40:2 to 41:13); plus we were told when to 'enter' the Temple, and when to 'enlarge' it: and all this was after he first introduced wherein the cd-rom this Temple could be found.

So the ‘wheels within wheels’ image matching to Ezekiel’s description is not an isolated guess nor an unfounded assertion.

And again I ask: How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Bible prophecy? Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian? Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?
 
In chapter 1 he first documents viewing the ‘five gods’ and the ‘sky’ of the Introduction sequence, the ‘fiery red Windrose’ of the Voyage screen, then the four animal icons from the middle of the Map Page, being a lion, a man's face, a she-wolf (cow), and a capital (that looks like curled wings of a bird) as well as describing the red block letters that flash up when the cursor is passed over each active animal icon (and that they moved due to a man's hand - ie. the hand controlling the computer's mouse).
The two part animated Sailboat cursor is described as ‘the spirit’ that made them ‘move’.

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In 1:24 Ezekiel describes various sounds he heard.
"the noise of great waters" = the noise of breaking surf from the 'five gods' introduction sequence.
"the voice of the Almighty…speech" = the narrator's voice from the Military presentation.
"the noise of an army" = the battle sounds from the Military presentation.

<snip>

In 1:27-28 Ezekiel describes the Military icon which is a soldier (similar to the one depicted in the history icon) seen on the Etruscan main page. The "appearance of the brightness round about" = the white highlight box that appears around the soldier (and other icons) when the cursor passes over them.
So really, Ezekiel was watching over some nerd's shoulder while he was playing Warcraft.
 
Not a simpler explanation

How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Bible prophecy? Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian? Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?

In essence, you are saying that the Ancients cd-rom pictures may have been based upon the perceived imagery from various biblical stories.

If ancient descriptions of the Ancients cd-rom imagery were confined to only biblical prophecy, then your questions would hold more weight.
But the Bible is made up of over 60 separate books from different (often unknown) authors spanning between 1230BCE and 95CE – and many of them contain the same descriptions.
The same descriptions turn up in other ancient texts from other cultures too.

Nowhere in the six presentations from the Ancients cd-rom does a Christian bias (nor of any other Faith) show itself.
The religious practices of those civilizations are presented fairly and accurately.

The format and content of the Ancients cd-rom is historical. There is no indication of the author/producer’s personal opinions or beliefs coming out in the presentations.

You are not the first to comment “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..”

When the Atlantis evidence is presented in isolation, “Greek people who knew the Atlantis story” finishes the above question.

When the Egyptian evidence is presented in isolation, “People who knew Egyptian religion” finishes the above question.

Independently these different people are saying that the Ancients cd-rom imagery may have been based upon; 1) the Atlantis story, 2) Egyptian stories.
Both can not be right.

For “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..” use a similar ‘ending’ for instances in the following cultures that describe the cd-roms…

Egyptian Mythology, Arab Mythology, Hindu stories, Vedic and Celtic Mythology, Germanic and Scandinavian stories, Greek and Roman Mythology, Buddhism stories, Native American stories, Australian Aboriginal stories, Muslim stories, etc., etc.

So in answer to “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian?” relates to the fact that other people who represent these other cultures say the same thing when first confronted with Pegg’s work. Hence, with everyone declaring a similar comment, all can not be correct. Thus any one religious influence is not the source.

In relation to “Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?”
It wasn’t only Bible characters who report cd-rom images.
As an example, Australian Aboriginals had no input into the making of the Ancients cd-rom yet their stories contain descriptions of its imagery.

If I had presented Pegg’s Australian Aboriginal findings first, using your logic you may have asked “How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories?”

While possibly relevant to alternative theories, that question (also in the ‘Christian’ and other forms) is just a red herring that side-tracks us from the investigation and evaluation of Pegg’s presented evidence.



>“So really, Ezekiel was watching over some nerd's shoulder while he was playing Warcraft.”

Pretty close.
Ezekiel (and Daniel) were watching a computer screen upon which the ‘time messenger’ was showing them the Etruscan Military animation from the Ancients cd-rom.

John was watching a computer screen upon which the ‘time messenger’ was showing him the 1991 Persian Gulf War audio/visual animation from the Grolier cd-rom – which is documented in Revelations chapter 9.
 
In essence, you are saying that the Ancients cd-rom pictures may have been based upon the perceived imagery from various biblical stories.

If ancient descriptions of the Ancients cd-rom imagery were confined to only biblical prophecy, then your questions would hold more weight.
But the Bible is made up of over 60 separate books from different (often unknown) authors spanning between 1230BCE and 95CE – and many of them contain the same descriptions.
The same descriptions turn up in other ancient texts from other cultures too.

Nowhere in the six presentations from the Ancients cd-rom does a Christian bias (nor of any other Faith) show itself.
The religious practices of those civilizations are presented fairly and accurately.

The format and content of the Ancients cd-rom is historical. There is no indication of the author/producer’s personal opinions or beliefs coming out in the presentations.

You are not the first to comment “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..”

When the Atlantis evidence is presented in isolation, “Greek people who knew the Atlantis story” finishes the above question.

When the Egyptian evidence is presented in isolation, “People who knew Egyptian religion” finishes the above question.

Independently these different people are saying that the Ancients cd-rom imagery may have been based upon; 1) the Atlantis story, 2) Egyptian stories.
Both can not be right.

For “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by…..” use a similar ‘ending’ for instances in the following cultures that describe the cd-roms…

Egyptian Mythology, Arab Mythology, Hindu stories, Vedic and Celtic Mythology, Germanic and Scandinavian stories, Greek and Roman Mythology, Buddhism stories, Native American stories, Australian Aboriginal stories, Muslim stories, etc., etc.

So in answer to “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian?” relates to the fact that other people who represent these other cultures say the same thing when first confronted with Pegg’s work. Hence, with everyone declaring a similar comment, all can not be correct. Thus any one religious influence is not the source.

In relation to “Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?”
It wasn’t only Bible characters who report cd-rom images.
As an example, Australian Aboriginals had no input into the making of the Ancients cd-rom yet their stories contain descriptions of its imagery.

If I had presented Pegg’s Australian Aboriginal findings first, using your logic you may have asked “How do you know that the person who designed the CD didn't have a fascination with Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories?”

While possibly relevant to alternative theories, that question (also in the ‘Christian’ and other forms) is just a red herring that side-tracks us from the investigation and evaluation of Pegg’s presented evidence.


Let me see if I understand your argument.

premise 1) You have a wide understanding of the stories found in ancient civilizations that span the globe.

premise 2) Unlike you, the people who researched, wrote, and edited a reference CD about ancient cultures could not possibly be aware of the stories found in these differing ancient cultures.

conclusion 1) Therefore the simplest, most logical explanation is that some unknown characters travelled back in time with both this reference CD and a computer between 15 and 100 (?) years out of date. These chrononauts then showed the CD's images to people whose writing would later become part of religion canon or popular mythology.

conclusion 2) These time travellers are responsible for not just the more imaginative imagery found in religions and mythology, but the very success of these religions.

conclusion 3) It is possible and desireable to go back in time and "undo" this damage in such a way that religion will no longer be one of the stongest influences in current and past societies. But this cleansing will not be completed until December 2012.
 
Clarifications

premise 2) Unlike you, the people who researched, wrote, and edited a reference CD about ancient cultures could not possibly be aware of the stories found in these differing ancient cultures.
At a minimum you are twisting my words and making inferences that I have not made. I have not said anything about ‘the people who researched, wrote, and edited a reference CD” regarding whether they “could not possibly be aware of the stories found in these differing ancient cultures”.

Your premise 2 is off-track, irrelevant, and a red herring.


I was responding to your specific statements of “Did it ever occur to you that the person who drew that graphic design had read the Bible and decided to include the ‘wheels within wheels’ design because he thought it was interesting?” and “Why can't the explanation be that the CD was designed by a very devoted Christian?” (who was influenced by Biblical imagery and prophecy).

You were inferring that because a Christian (who may have produced the cd-rom) may have had “a fascination with Bible prophecy”, he designed the ‘wheels within wheels’ motive on the Etruscan Atlas page based upon his perception of Ezekiel’s account.
This is a fair comment (and conclusion) – IF this was the ONLY instance in ancient texts where ‘wheels within a larger ring’ was described.
But it is not. In a different non-religious context the same series of ‘wheels within a larger ring’ is documented. I also cited many other examples where ancient cultures have described cd-rom imagery.

You seem to be overlooking the fact that this one image is just one picture in a sequence of many dozens of pictures from the Ancients cd-rom – that have been documented in various other ancient texts and accounts.

I pointed out that some people who come across single examples of Pegg’s work also make similar belief orientated statements based upon their own personal slant on life. It is the people viewing Pegg’s work to whom I refer, not the people who made the Ancients cd-rom.


conclusion 1) Therefore the simplest, most logical explanation is that some unknown characters travelled back in time with both this reference CD and a computer
The explanation is based upon all the presented evidence, not your personal ‘logic’ where you have only read a tiny fraction of Pegg’s work.

It has not been a simple task, as ancient bias and religious rhetoric have covered over the source of religious stories and legends.

The “unknown characters” as you call them are specifically documented in many ancient texts and were deemed to be Angels (in the religious sense) - one was given the name Gabriel. When a composite is derived from all accounts, it is seen that these ‘messengers’ who showed future images and told of future history to various ancient people had with them specific “books”. Even at a religious level, taking the Bible’s words at face value, these ‘angels’ were specific “time messengers” - as they were perceived as travelling through time (or taking the prophet through time). Pegg’s work shows that they were not of a divine nature.


conclusion 2) These time travellers are responsible for not just the more imaginative imagery found in religions and mythology, but the very success of these religions.
The success of those religions were in spite of the warning messages given by the time travellers. It was the local religious priests who tried to make sure their new version of religion became the ‘one and only’.

The time travellers were not there to support any versions of religion.


RE: “conclusion 3)…But this (religious) cleansing will not be completed until December 2012.”
As previously stated by me
The Future section contains thoughts on how all this may have come about.” This also included the 21st December 2012 section too. Ronald Pegg mentioned this date as the possible ‘turn-off’ date of religions. I added his thoughts to my summary.


RE: “conclusion 3)…..a computer between 15 and 100 (?) years out of date”.

This is your assumption.
From our 2007 technological standpoint, the first mission to the moon that landed on its surface used archaic computers - yet they got to the moon and back. The computers did what they had to do – no more, no less.

The evidence documented in ancient texts as discovered by Pegg describes a 386PC desktop computer system. It was the minimum system required to run the cited and named cd-roms. It did what it was needed to do – no more, no less.


And again,
>“Isn't that explanation simpler and more realistic than time travellers taking archaric computers into the past simply to show CD-ROMs to Bible characters?”

No. The evidence shows what Pegg claims did occur.
Bible characters did not become ‘Bible characters’ until they told of their encounter with a time messenger and when later, some religious person deemed their story to be about GOD – and compiled similar stories into a ‘religious text’. Those messengers were deemed to be Angels (in the religious sense). The characters often went on to become Prophets (in the religious sense).

Ronald Pegg has taken away the religious slant and found a different non-divine source for the ancient stories, myths, and legends.
More presentations may be found in the “On-Line Resources” section of the Study Area of the WBD website. Follow the link from the 'Continue' page or type in the below address (adding the dots).

Link: www pphcstudygroup org au/studyarea/ …
 
RE: “conclusion 3)…..a computer between 15 and 100 (?) years out of date”.

This is your assumption.
From our 2007 technological standpoint, the first mission to the moon that landed on its surface used archaic computers - yet they got to the moon and back. The computers did what they had to do – no more, no less.

The evidence documented in ancient texts as discovered by Pegg describes a 386PC desktop computer system. It was the minimum system required to run the cited and named cd-roms. It did what it was needed to do – no more, no less.

If NASA decided to send astronauts to the moon tomorrow, they would not use the original 1970's computers despite those computers being the minimum system required for the task. Why would time travellers avoid taking an easily portable laptop with long-lasting batteries? Why would they choose an computer that is hard to carry and often unstable?


As for the rest of your stuff, I'm done. If anyone else wants to have a go at it, it's all yours.
 
Desktop or Laptop

>“Why would time travellers avoid taking an easily portable laptop with long-lasting batteries?”

I have previously answered a similar question…
Extract:
At some time in the future, someone was going to notice that the images from a certain cd-rom that run on a certain computer match to the described imagery by nearly all the ancient prophets.

If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same type of computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.


I have thoughts that the first ‘back-step’ to ancient Mesopotamia may have been with a lap-top (as you suggest, for the reasons you give) but when return trips to correct the accidental formation of Religions were made, the same system (PC386) was employed for the reason given above.

In the 1800 American encounter with Smith Jnr. it is probable that a laptop was also employed.
Reasons:
1) An account in 1839 by Smith describes a laptop better than a desktop PC,
2) I can find no ‘computer parts’ as in a 386PC computer system documented by Smith,
3) The compact disks are described in the Introduction to the Book of Mormon, and a depiction of plastic cases is available,
4) Unlike the Moses account where he was given the disks to keep (and told to make a carry box), both the disks and computer were taken back by the ‘time messenger’.


>“Why would they choose an computer that is hard to carry and often unstable?”

This is only your opinion.
Again, I previously answered a similar question…
Extract:
It was explained that Noah's Ark was a computer carry and storage box. The computer fitted into the smaller end, while the 200 x 50 x 30 cm end contains enough space for a series of batteries that would be able to power a computer.

The computer was the smallest (in physical size) available that would run the cited cd-roms. Its monitor the only one to fit in the wooden carry box. That particular carry box fits though a circular hoop of about 600mm.

It is currently proposed by one of our members that, like the stargate SG-1 idea, a ‘time gate’ is the interface for time travel. But unlike the large sci-fi gate, only a small 600mm aperture can be utilized. A person can still pass through this smaller sized ‘gate’.

But I have just now entered into speculation, which is side-tracking me from studying the evidence that is actually before us.

So, like you, I will leave it to others to read ALL of Pegg’s work, then get back to me personally.
 
Once again I just feel the need to point out that the vast majority of computer cases in no way visually identify the components that are inside, even when you can see inside. Thus this whole 386 argument is silly.

Look at the pictures in this gallery. You can not identify what processor was used on any of those pictures by looking at the computer case. Indeed some of those cases look not like a traditional computer at all. Nor does size matter.
http://gallery.pcapex.com/showgallery.php/cat/504

Please show us one example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.
 
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Computer parts, Compact Disks described in ancient texts

>“…the vast majority of computer cases in no way visually identify the components that are inside, even when you can see inside.”

1). Yeah, but it is the monitor that had to be the smallest – not necessarily the case. It had to fit in a 28cm high space. The smallest monitor that I am aware that came from the mid 1990s and was able to run the pictures from the cited cd-roms was a 386PC. I had one myself – 36 x 28 x 38 (w x h x d).

2). On the point “visually identify the components that are inside”, Moses documents the contents of a desk-top computer system in Numbers 3:25-37.

These two points are fully explained in chapter 5 of the publication A New Understanding. (Link to E-Shop available via WBD website.)


>“You can not identify what processor was used on any of those pictures by looking at the computer case.”

For a mid 1990s PC 386, yes you can. The colour of the case is the identifying element. The first computers (distributed in Australia) utilized a yellowish brass coloured finish on the case and monitor. This was quite different to the white, grey, and blacks of later and contemporary computer cases and monitors.

Further, unlike many contemporary cd-rom trays that have either four raised bumps or just the hollow circular tray area to hold the compact disk in place, the yellowish mid 1990s cd-rom trays had three raised bumps on the hollow saddle.
In his Nostradamus work, Pegg discovered that Nostradamus, in his “brazen tripod” description, was describing these raised three bumps of the cd-rom tray.
As only some early/mid 1990s computers had three raised bumps AND yellowish cases, this identifies the era of the computer utilized by Nostradamus, and thus the computer type as PC 386.


>“Please show us one example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Unfortunately, ancient people did not have cameras, so there are no pictures available to show you.
But ancient people were good at describing and depicting what they saw.
The contents (ie. the imagery) of at least three cd-roms are described by many ancient people in what were deemed to be religious texts. Examples of these are given on the WBD website.

Moses (for example*) describes a compact disk in a plastic case as ‘the dedication of the altar (cd-rom tray)’; in Numbers 7:85-86 as ‘The colourless plate is 130 mm. Each wide shallow container is 7 mm. The colourless container has two associated parts that are four sided. The edge thickness of the place of protection was 10 mm. The shimmering round disc was 120 mm’.

A four-sided plastic cd-case, (as also held by the Mormon witnesses without the black mounting base) unopened is 130mm wide and 10mm thick. When opened (the two associated parts) the right hand side (the shallow container) is 7mm thick. The compact disk (shimmering round disc) is 120mm wide. These are exact dimensions of a cd-case and size/description of a compact disk.

* Source: pp 142-145, Ancient Chronicles Unsealed, Ronald Pegg, 2003, PPHC.

PS. You must have missed the three examples provided on the second WBD website page.

The question of "Isn't the 1827 picture of Smith just showing a glass plate, and not a plastic CD container ?" is addressed on the ‘2001 FAQ page of the Reference Centre’ in the STUDY AREA.


>“…example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Also, you apparently haven’t visited the five Hieroglyph pages from specific Egyptian investigations. (Access them via the Archives section in the STUDY AREA - Egyptian Gods link.)
 
For a mid 1990s PC 386, yes you can. The colour of the case is the identifying element. The first computers (distributed in Australia) utilized a yellowish brass coloured finish on the case and monitor. This was quite different to the white, grey, and blacks of later and contemporary computer cases and monitors.

Further, unlike many contemporary cd-rom trays that have either four raised bumps or just the hollow circular tray area to hold the compact disk in place, the yellowish mid 1990s cd-rom trays had three raised bumps on the hollow saddle.

Because obviously it's impossible to put different parts in a case, or to replace a CD drive. By your argument my computer is from 1999. However, if you look at the actual components rather than the case, no parts are more than 2 years old.
 
This reminds me of a problem I had in time traveling. I did the logical thing at first and got a loaded laptop and several DVDs to show the ancients our many wonders and to let them watch Shrek and Star Trek II but no matter what happened I found that the further back in time I went the more the computer would crash or not come on at all. After several years of serious experimentation I discovered that it was because in the past, the pace was slower. The Mhz, (and later the Ghz) which is the basic unit of measurment for a CPU, actually ran slower in the past. So, for instance, a Mhz in the year 352 BC was actually the same length of time as 26 Mhz today. In other words, the Mhz has been speeding up.

So what happens is that if I brought back a 2 Ghz (2000Mhz)P-IV in a laptop the modern speed and the ancient speed came into conflict, processes would get screwed up, and the computer would crash. On a whim one time I brought back an old 66 Mhz 486 and it ran like a 4 Ghz machine as far back as 600 AD. So, then I went with as old a one I could get, an 8086 running at a whopping 4 Mhz (with an 8087 math co-processor) and I'll be darned if it didn't run like the loaded laptop I started with. And those Hercules video cards are darn near indestructable and held up to the time traveling very well.

So, properly configured it does make sense to use an older machine when going back in time. The further back in time you go, the older processor you should use. I have data to back this up but since I compiled this data on a 286 back in the 1800's it would take several weeks to transfer it to the internet today.

It's true.
 
>“…the vast majority of computer cases in no way visually identify the components that are inside, even when you can see inside.”

1). Yeah, but it is the monitor that had to be the smallest – not necessarily the case. It had to fit in a 28cm high space. The smallest monitor that I am aware that came from the mid 1990s and was able to run the pictures from the cited cd-roms was a 386PC. I had one myself – 36 x 28 x 38 (w x h x d).

2). On the point “visually identify the components that are inside”, Moses documents the contents of a desk-top computer system in Numbers 3:25-37.

These two points are fully explained in chapter 5 of the publication A New Understanding. (Link to E-Shop available via WBD website.)


>“You can not identify what processor was used on any of those pictures by looking at the computer case.”

For a mid 1990s PC 386, yes you can. The colour of the case is the identifying element. The first computers (distributed in Australia) utilized a yellowish brass coloured finish on the case and monitor. This was quite different to the white, grey, and blacks of later and contemporary computer cases and monitors.

Further, unlike many contemporary cd-rom trays that have either four raised bumps or just the hollow circular tray area to hold the compact disk in place, the yellowish mid 1990s cd-rom trays had three raised bumps on the hollow saddle.
In his Nostradamus work, Pegg discovered that Nostradamus, in his “brazen tripod” description, was describing these raised three bumps of the cd-rom tray.
As only some early/mid 1990s computers had three raised bumps AND yellowish cases, this identifies the era of the computer utilized by Nostradamus, and thus the computer type as PC 386.


>“Please show us one example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Unfortunately, ancient people did not have cameras, so there are no pictures available to show you.
But ancient people were good at describing and depicting what they saw.
The contents (ie. the imagery) of at least three cd-roms are described by many ancient people in what were deemed to be religious texts. Examples of these are given on the WBD website.

Moses (for example*) describes a compact disk in a plastic case as ‘the dedication of the altar (cd-rom tray)’; in Numbers 7:85-86 as ‘The colourless plate is 130 mm. Each wide shallow container is 7 mm. The colourless container has two associated parts that are four sided. The edge thickness of the place of protection was 10 mm. The shimmering round disc was 120 mm’.

A four-sided plastic cd-case, (as also held by the Mormon witnesses without the black mounting base) unopened is 130mm wide and 10mm thick. When opened (the two associated parts) the right hand side (the shallow container) is 7mm thick. The compact disk (shimmering round disc) is 120mm wide. These are exact dimensions of a cd-case and size/description of a compact disk.

* Source: pp 142-145, Ancient Chronicles Unsealed, Ronald Pegg, 2003, PPHC.

PS. You must have missed the three examples provided on the second WBD website page.

The question of "Isn't the 1827 picture of Smith just showing a glass plate, and not a plastic CD container ?" is addressed on the ‘2001 FAQ page of the Reference Centre’ in the STUDY AREA.


>“…example of an ancient picture of a computer or CD. Haven't seen one yet, even on your website.”

Also, you apparently haven’t visited the five Hieroglyph pages from specific Egyptian investigations. (Access them via the Archives section in the STUDY AREA - Egyptian Gods link.)

Once again you show a complete disregard for computers (not to mention sciences, most specifically linguistics and archeology).

In the 1990s (as with today) while flat panel screens were not as readily available yet, you could purchase CRT monitors in screen sizes ranging from 5" to 27", with the most common being 12"-19". This is STILL true today, although finding ones under 14" or over 21" is harder because people (just as they did in 1990) like big screens even if they're just using MSWord. And they like flat screens now.

AGAIN, the monitor has nothing to do with the computer. It is a completely separate component and is purchased completely separately from any other part of the computer unless you like packaged crap like Packard Bells or Dells. The only computers to include the monitor in the chassis as one piece completely predate the 1990s, i.e. 1st Macs, Compaqs, TRS-80.

AGAIN, the color has nothing to do with the computer. Cases were originally primarily a white/beige because they wanted them to match other office equipment like copiers. But by the 1990s you could find computer cases in the following colors: White, Beige, Tan, Black, Silver. By the late 1990s you could also find them in: Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, Purple, Orange, Transparent (clear or various hues), and aluminum unpainted. The color is completely up to the person who put the computer together (company or individual). And this is all presuming it is used as is, and not custom painted.

The color of the CD tray is typically just whatever the color of the CD drive's front bezel is. If you have a CD you bought with a black bezel, it will have a black tray, if it is beige the tray is beige, if it is red the tray is red. Never seen any "raised bumps" on a CD tray. Pics? Anyhow it's a complete linguistic stretch to call that a tripod. This is a tripod.
http://www.eaas.co.uk/images/strathspey_25X100/image004.jpg
Tri=Three Pod=Leg Bumps!=Leg

And the only source you've cited so far is the nutter Ronald Pegg.
Might as well say "The Bible says..." (which is actually a better source)
Can you indicate to us some known archaeologists or historians who provide corroborating evidence? Because the schizos who think certain hieroglyphics are airplanes and flying saucers are about as close as I could find to your/Pegg's myths.

Pegg saying Mormon tablets (which never existed in the first place) being the same size as a CD or CD case means absolutely nothing if he is the only one saying this and even the Mormons are not providing those kinds of dimensions.
 
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