Time to kick Iran

In Digital Signal Processing by Oppenheimer, Goertzel's algorithm is listed as being done by Goertzel from Germany, not U.S..

I have the book at home.
I can quote it.

Got a first name? Or is this going to be a replay of "Le Galois", where you refused to believe that it's Evariste Galois? Gerald Goertzel invented the Goertzel algorithm, and while it's possible he was born in Germany, that's not where he was educated. I already backed up my claim with citations you can check. What have you done? Nothing.

Also, note that the names of mathematicians I produce are from memory of education (and I add Legendre (France) here), and the names that you and brown noser of U.S. -Matteo- produce are from Google.

Perhaps you should Google, because you keep getting your facts wrong.

Profound values -like respecting life, science, Olympic swimming training and racing,

Swimming is a "profound value"? Little full of yourself today, I see.
 
And, you would like to know why the public wants an " assertive Russia ".
You do not see that this is maybe because we have an assertive America.

Maybe? Well, lots of things are possible. Is that likely the case? No, it isn't. Russia has a long history of throwing its weight in its neighborhood, going back well before the USSR even. They are an ambitious nation, always have been. And they miss the feeling of power and prestige that the USSR gave them, even if they don't miss the side effects (lack of freedoms, stagnant economy, etc). Trying to read everyone's actions as merely a response to what the US does is a fool's game. Sometimes the reason people do things has nothing to do with us.
 
It takes billions to develop new drugs, not so much to produce them.
Then get those damn socialist countries to start cranking out new drugs.

I would very much like to see America do more for third world countries. However it's not like we aren't helping. We ARE. And often we help and other countries spit on us. We give money and aid to nations that go to the UN and say all kinds of horrible things bout us. And we keep giving because we just know those damn good intentions are going to pay off... someday, right? We've had the peace corps and doctors without borders but do those countries give a damn? Do they?

You don't seem to. You just want us to do more. And I'm guessing morre. And I'm guessing that when we send drugs to Africa the drugs will be stolen and sold on the black market AS IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

Just show good intentions.
This is a platitude. I'm sure we can do better. I'd like to do better. I (a) don't think anything is that easy and (b) think anyone will care. Good inentions are often seen as weakness by many nations. The leaders know how to get rich of American good will all the while pumping up the rhetoric about how America is the devil.

I do not understand this very well.
However, I notice you did not address some other points, like the farm subsides..
I have a limit for what I want to deal with.

I'm absolutely against farm subsidies. I've sent letters to both my congresman and the newspaper editor.

One problem, many nations do the same.

American companies want a fair deal, hell, ok, they want a better than fair deal often but at least make it fair.

I don't know what the solution is.
 
Maybe? Well, lots of things are possible. Is that likely the case? No, it isn't. Russia has a long history of throwing its weight in its neighborhood, going back well before the USSR even. They are an ambitious nation, always have been. And they miss the feeling of power and prestige that the USSR gave them, even if they don't miss the side effects (lack of freedoms, stagnant economy, etc). Trying to read everyone's actions as merely a response to what the US does is a fool's game. Sometimes the reason people do things has nothing to do with us.

The US have a long history of throwing its weight in its neighborhood. They are an ambitious nation, always have been.

P.S.
Where did you find that Russian economy is " stagnant "?
 
The US have a long history of throwing its weight in its neighborhood. They are an ambitious nation, always have been.

Sure. So what? We were talking about why Russia is doing what it's doing, and they're doing it for their own reasons, not because they only respond to us.

P.S.
Where did you find that Russian economy is " stagnant "?

You misunderstand what I wrote. The USSR's economy was stagnant. I hope you already know why I'd say that.
 
Sure. So what? We were talking about why Russia is doing what it's doing, and they're doing it for their own reasons, not because they only respond to us.

So, basically, you are saying that Russia and the US are doing similar things, but you are criticizing only Russia?

You misunderstand what I wrote. The USSR's economy was stagnant. I hope you already know why I'd say that.

Yes, because the USSR economy was, indeed, even worse than stagnant.
You wrote that Russia was suffering side effects of the USSR stagnant economy and that is true, I went maybe too far with my assumptions..
 
Disclaimer
Just to point out that I do not like Putin, I think he is too strong handed in foreign policy and had done little to slow the nuke race which is going on all over the world
 
Then get those damn socialist countries to start cranking out new drugs.

I would very much like to see America do more for third world countries. However it's not like we aren't helping. We ARE. And often we help and other countries spit on us. We give money and aid to nations that go to the UN and say all kinds of horrible things bout us. And we keep giving because we just know those damn good intentions are going to pay off... someday, right? We've had the peace corps and doctors without borders but do those countries give a damn? Do they?

You don't seem to. You just want us to do more. And I'm guessing morre. And I'm guessing that when we send drugs to Africa the drugs will be stolen and sold on the black market AS IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

I did not say that the US is doing nothing.
I was just pointing out at something the US is not doing.
I am not 100% sure how you can predict that sending drugs to Africa would immediately creating a black market for them and how this could not be avoided or fought
Evidence?

This is a platitude. I'm sure we can do better. I'd like to do better. I (a) don't think anything is that easy and (b) think anyone will care. Good inentions are often seen as weakness by many nations. The leaders know how to get rich of American good will all the while pumping up the rhetoric about how America is the devil.

How can America be seen in a worse way, if your President comes out and says that he is in favour of getting rid of nukes?

I have a limit for what I want to deal with.

I'm absolutely against farm subsidies. I've sent letters to both my congresman and the newspaper editor.

One problem, many nations do the same.

American companies want a fair deal, hell, ok, they want a better than fair deal often but at least make it fair.

I don't know what the solution is.

OK
That is a good point.
So, you will agree that sometimes, national interests play a role against free market.
I am not talking about you, I am talking about the situation in the US, and in Western power, which is not as clean as many may think:



US blamed as trade talks end in acrimony

The world trade talks that were supposed to relieve poverty and improve economic growth collapsed into indefinite suspension on Monday, after nearly five years of protracted wrangling.

A last-ditch meeting in Geneva of the six core “Doha round” negotiators – India, Brazil, the US, EU, Japan and Australia – broke up amid recriminations over irreconcilable differences about farm liberalisation. The US continued to argue for big cuts in farm import tariffs to open up markets for its farmers, a demand fiercely rejected by the European Union, Japan and India, which said America had first to go further in offering to cut agricultural subsidies.

The Doha round, which began in November 2001, will now enter indefinite suspension unless and until a consensus within the World Trade Organisation’s 149 member countries can be found to revive it.

The White House’s authority from the US Congress to negotiate trade deals expires next year. Most experts and officials think Congress unlikely to renew that authority, rendering any near-term agreement impossible.

The amount of work required to complete an agreement meant that the end of this month was in effect a deadline for a deal.

Four of the six countries present rounded on the US as the culprit for the collapse in the talks, which started on Sunday and ended on Monday.

Peter Mandelson, EU trade commissioner, told the Financial Times: “If the US continues to demand dollar-for-dollar compensation in market access [cutting tariffs] for reducing domestic support, no one in the developing world will ever buy that and the EU will not either.”

Even Brazil, which shares some of the US’s interest in reducing farm tariffs, identified US intransigence on subsidies as the blockage that prevented an agreement.

Kamal Nath, the Indian trade minister, said of the US: “Everybody put something on the table except one country who said ‘we can’t see anything on the table’.”

From the Financial Times:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dfa460d0-1afd-11db-b164-0000779e2340.html
 
I am not 100% sure how you can predict that sending drugs to Africa would immediately creating a black market for them and how this could not be avoided or fought
"Fought"? You are a bit naive my friend. Do you remember Somalia? Do you remember the rebels stealing the grain? Do you remember our soldiers dead bodies being drug through the streets while the people we were there to feed cheered? We got our asses handed to us and we got the hell out of Dodge.

Evidence?
I really can't believe you are asking me this. You honestly never heard of theft of humanitarian aid? You really think you can fight gurellas to feed their people when you then become the invader? Ever hear of Iraq? Somalia?

How can America be seen in a worse way, if your President comes out and says that he is in favour of getting rid of nukes?
If he did, will the world believe him? Will others follow suit? How will we know? You are speaking in platitudes.

Four of the six countries present rounded on the US as the culprit for the collapse in the talks, which started on Sunday and ended on Monday.
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Confirmation bias?

Matteo, when you find a source you need to do a bit more than cherry pick your data. Did anything in the article spark your skepticism? How should we view this article from a critical thinking perspective?

I really expect more from you.
 
"Fought"? You are a bit naive my friend. Do you remember Somalia? Do you remember the rebels stealing the grain? Do you remember our soldiers dead bodies being drug through the streets while the people we were there to feed cheered? We got our asses handed to us and we got the hell out of Dodge.

I really can't believe you are asking me this. You honestly never heard of theft of humanitarian aid? You really think you can fight gurellas to feed their people when you then become the invader? Ever hear of Iraq? Somalia?

OK.
You are making a case out of Iraq and Somalia, not the only examples of nations in Third World.
We have many nations in Africa turn to democracy, with some respect of trademarks and copyrights.
Working together ( US, Europe and African countries ), I can see no evidence that the possible problem of a black market could not be containted.
Also, stealing a good in Africa ( ie an retroviral drug for AIDS ) and sell it back into the US, requires quite an organization..
Disclaimer
US and European ( UK: http://www.gsk.com/about/company.htm ) pharma companies are involved into the AIDS drugs
http://www.accessmed-msf.org/prod/publications.asp?scntid=2982001754243&contenttype=PARA

If he did, will the world believe him? Will others follow suit? How will we know? You are speaking in platitudes.

Just do it.
Go out and say, OK, we are against nukes.
Go tell to the UN.
If nobody listens to you, they, you can always said you have tried.
Just finished to read Micheal Moore ( not the perfect example of balanced author ), however, he said that Russia has pushed few times for reducing nukes, and Bush refused.
OK, maybe it is not true.
I have to check that.

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Confirmation bias?

Matteo, when you find a source you need to do a bit more than cherry pick your data. Did anything in the article spark your skepticism? How should we view this article from a critical thinking perspective?

I really expect more from you.

OK.
I did little bit cherry picked the data, not so much, though..
:)
Anyway, I read last year, that Doha failed and many ( Peter Mendelson too ) blamed mainly the US for that.
If the US were really to blame, I do not know.
That seems to be somehow the position of few foreign leaders..
 
We have many nations in Africa turn to democracy, with some respect of trademarks and copyrights.
You are just asserting this. I don't know to what extent we can. I'll concede that we can do more.

Working together ( US, Europe and African countries ), I can see no evidence that the possible problem of a black market could not be containted.
This is an argument by personal incredulaity. I respect your opinion but I'm not going to base a conclusion on it solely.

Also, stealing a good in Africa ( ie an retroviral drug for AIDS ) and sell it back into the US, requires quite an organization.
Who says they would sell it back to the US?

Just do it.
Go out and say, OK, we are against nukes.
Go tell to the UN.
There's a lot of problems with this. If we say we are against nukes and don't get rid of our nukes won't that make us hypocrites? If we get rid of Nukes will Iran stop it's nuclear program? Will Russia get rid of all of it's nukes? How will we know?
 
So, basically, you are saying that Russia and the US are doing similar things, but you are criticizing only Russia?

In what respect did I criticise Russia? You were the one who took their recent actions as this terrible sign of a failure of American policy, not me.
 
Got a first name? Or is this going to be a replay of "Le Galois", where you refused to believe that it's Evariste Galois?...
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Swimming is a "profound value"? Little full of yourself today, I see.
My post was censored.

I posted that Poincare made my demonstration.

Your education comes from Google, not from real education.

Swimming is a profound value in forming the character and the looks of fair competition.
 
Your education comes from Google, not from real education.

Swimming is a profound value in forming the character and the looks of fair competition.
:rolleyes: Things that make you go hmmmm.....
 

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