Time to kick Iran

Darth Rotor said:
...Look up non sequitur, then look at your Guatemala remark, and meditate on it.

DR
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You are still spaced out regarding what the world needs most:

.) U.S. invading Guatemala,

or

.) mathematician Poincare (France) inventing topology.

Can't help you here, BasementGirl (from U.S.).
 
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Ion said:
Poincare lived in the 20th. century.

Einstein took the mathematics for his theory of Relativity from Poincare's topology.
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Yes.
BTW, Einstein was Jew

Ion said:
Le Galois, Ricatti, they lived in the 20th. century.
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Ricatti was not in your list

Ion said:
Right now the French mathematicians work on the string theory, and CalTech (U.S.) plagiarizes them.
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List of Field Medal winners:

2006: Andrei Okounkov (Russia), Grigori Perelman (Russia) (declined), Terence Tao (Australia), Wendelin Werner (France)
2002: Laurent Lafforgue (France), Vladimir Voevodsky (Russia)
1998: Richard Ewen Borcherds (UK), William Timothy Gowers (UK), Maxim Kontsevich (Russia), Curtis T. McMullen (U.S.)
1994: Efim Isakovich Zelmanov (Russia), Pierre-Louis Lions (France), Jean Bourgain (Belgium), Jean-Christophe Yoccoz (France)
1990: Vladimir Drinfeld (USSR), Vaughan Frederick Randal Jones (New Zealand), Shigefumi Mori (Japan), Edward Witten (U.S.)
1986: Simon Donaldson (UK), Gerd Faltings (West Germany), Michael Freedman (U.S.)
1982: Alain Connes (France), William Thurston (U.S.), Shing-Tung Yau (China/U.S.)
1978: Pierre Deligne (Belgium), Charles Fefferman (U.S.), Grigory Margulis (USSR), Daniel Quillen (U.S.)
1974: Enrico Bombieri (Italy), David Mumford (U.S.)
1970: Alan Baker (UK), Heisuke Hironaka (Japan), Sergei Petrovich Novikov (USSR), John Griggs Thompson (U.S.)
1966: Michael Atiyah (UK), Paul Joseph Cohen (U.S.), Alexander Grothendieck (France), Stephen Smale (U.S.)
1962: Lars Hörmander (Sweden), John Milnor (U.S.)
1958: Klaus Roth (UK), René Thom (France)
1954: Kunihiko Kodaira (Japan), Jean-Pierre Serre (France)
1950: Laurent Schwartz (France), Atle Selberg (Norway)
1936: Lars Ahlfors (Finland), Jesse Douglas (U.S.)

There seems to be 12 people under " U.S. "..
And 10 under " France "..
Yes, if we compare with the population, France is better than the U.S., I agree
But, the U.S. is better than, for example Italy or Romania
 
Ion said:
You are still spaced out regarding what the world needs most:

.) U.S. invading Guatemala,

or

.) mathematician Poincare (France) inventing topology.

Can't help you here, BasementGirl (from U.S.).
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You are the one who went there, Ion, from the OT on mathematicians to the non sequitur on Guatemala. That is why I was making fun of your raw inability to remain remotely on topic.

ADD is rough, eh? Your posts are better when the meds are working.

DR
 
Ion said:
I had a good job in France up until I left it to immigrate, stupid.

In fact my best job in life (not because of the money, so stop salivating about money) was in France.

I am talking here to a loser French, one whose 'intelligence' couldn't manage to study in Classes Preparatoires aux Grandes Ecoles there.

The cream of the French culture (so no money for you in here) is above your head.
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Thank you for proving my point ... :D
 
Darth Rotor said:
You are the one who went there, Ion, from the OT on mathematicians to the non sequitur on Guatemala. That is why I was making fun of your raw inability to remain remotely on topic.

ADD is rough, eh? Your posts are better when the meds are working.

DR
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I know.

The concept of:

do mathematics, not war

is too much intelligence for you.
 
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Matteo Martini said:
Yes.
BTW, Einstein was Jew



Ricatti was not in your list



List of Field Medal winners:
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There seems to be 12 people under " U.S. "..
And 10 under " France "..
Yes, if we compare with the population, France is better than the U.S., I agree
But, the U.S. is better than, for example Italy or Romania
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Einstein was not a mathematician.
I put him in there to show that he used mathematician Poincare's topology, as proof of how important Poincare's topology is.

More important than U.S. endeavors.
And I gave U.S.' invasion of Guatemala as a proof of U.S.'s waste in endeavors.

I go by more than Fields prize.
The Fields prize is more elitist than Nobel's, but the most elitist thing is what endures the trial of time in succeeding, which is mathematicians that are proved to be useful in Engineering books.

Most Fields' prizes won't make it in Engineering books, proof of them being of academia or trivia value, but not of applicability to any human progress in applied physics and Engineering.
 
Matteo Martini said:
And Evariste Galois did NOT live in the 20th century, he lived in the early 19th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galois
At, least, if you are speaking about the famous Evariste Galois
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I speak of Le Galois taught in Engineering schools as the one who proved that there is no rational solution to equations of degree three and higher.

But let's take this Evariste Galois (France).
I studied in France his algebra's Group.
In 19th. century, U.S. was a nation.
Yet it never matched in Engineering books until today this Evariste Galois.

Ditto for Lagrange (France) who lived around 1840s.
He is the one who approximates trigonometric functions (like sin x) when x is near 0 to polynomials (like x-x(cube)/3!+x(five)/5!-x(seven)/7!-...).
Very important discovery in any applied physics (cars, rockets, ships, computers).
More from Lagrange in interpollation of functions.
Well, U.S. existed in 1840s.
It never matched in Engineering books this Lagrange.
 
Matteo Martini said:
In what sense?

Human rights` standards?
Economy standards?
Science standards?
..??
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Civilization, including education.

Let's take a look at John McEnroe's You cannot be serious studying at Stanford (U.S.) in page 76:

"...I'll freely admit that academics was not my forte...I said to myself "I have to find out what what the athletes take."...In "Sleep, Narcolepsy, and Politics," I was actually able to get an A by playing a charity tennis exhibition. The most memorable was my exposition course: The teacher walked in, stared at us worldlessly for fifteen minutes -it felt like an eternity- and finally said, "I'll bet you're wondering what the requirements for this course are. There is no midterm, no final exam, and there are no papers." This was more like it!..."

Now consider what happens with this stupidity when the graduate of such American diploma mill is someone who who has social power to Shock and Awe innocent populations.
Like Bush who was admitted on legacy and money -not on brain- at Yale and Harvard, and who undertakes to bomb Iraq and lie (with dumb Americans gleefully believing that this is 'patriotic').
That's scary.

Compare Stanford's empty course that is expensive with the sylabus that I have on Mathematiques Speciales M from having studied anonymously -no legacy, no affirmative action American garbage, just anonymously, free of charge, on personal merit- in France.

The starkest difference between French's brainy and U.S.' brainless systems is rendered by Eve Curie, daughter of Polish born and French educated scientist Marie Curie:

Marie Curie considered U.S.' universities to be made of buffoons.
 
Ion said:
I speak of Le Galois taught in Engineering schools as the one who proved that there is no rational solution to equations of degree three and higher.
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I admit my ignorance on the matter
I have been to Engineering University, but I do not recall of any of such theorem
I also did a search on " Wikipedia " on " Le Galois ", or " Legalois ", but got no result, but I may be 100% wrong..

Ion said:
But let's take this Evariste Galois (France).
I studied in France his algebra's Group.
In 19th. century, U.S. was a nation.
Yet it never matched in Engineering books until today this Evariste Galois.

Ditto for Lagrange (France) who lived around 1840s.
He is the one who approximates trigonometric functions (like sin x) when x is near 0 to polynomials (like x-x(cube)/3!+x(five)/5!-x(seven)/7!-...).
Very important discovery in any applied physics (cars, rockets, ships, computers).
More from Lagrange in interpollation of functions.
Well, U.S. existed in 1840s.
It never matched in Engineering books this Lagrange.
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Yes, but you are speaking of times when the U.S. were really young.
Like China now..
At that time, the U.S. were maybe less developed than France and Germany and the U.K.
If you speak about current times, it is the U.S. the main force driving science, in many fields, even if not alone, though..
 
Ion said:
Civilization, including education.

Let's take a look at John McEnroe's You cannot be serious studying at Stanford (U.S.) in page 76:

"...I'll freely admit that academics was not my forte...I said to myself "I have to find out what what the athletes take."...In "Sleep, Narcolepsy, and Politics," I was actually able to get an A by playing a charity tennis exhibition. The most memorable was my exposition course: The teacher walked in, stared at us worldlessly for fifteen minutes -it felt like an eternity- and finally said, "I'll bet you're wondering what the requirements for this course are. There is no midterm, no final exam, and there are no papers." This was more like it!..."
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OK.
But, do not you think that, the US, at the moment, is the number one in fields such as:
- mechanical engineering
- electronic engineering
- optics
- pharma
- ..
do not you think that this may be due also to the US education?

Ion said:
Now consider what happens with this stupidity when the graduate of such American diploma mill is someone who who has social power to Shock and Awe innocent populations.
Like Bush who was admitted on legacy and money -not on brain- at Yale and Harvard, and who undertakes to bomb Iraq and lie (with dumb Americans gleefully believing that this is 'patriotic').
That's scary.
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Bush, Bush, always Bush..
OK, Bush is an idiot, so what?
Does that mean that all the Americans are idiots?
I would like to understand this..

Ion said:
Compare Stanford's empty course that is expensive with the sylabus that I have on Mathematiques Speciales M from having studied anonymously -no legacy, no affirmative action American garbage, just anonymously, free of charge, on personal merit- in France.
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Still Stanford graduates had some quite result in various fields of science.
Wanna a list?

Ion said:
The starkest difference between French's brainy and U.S.' brainless systems is rendered by Eve Curie, daughter of Polish born and French educated scientist Marie Curie:

Marie Curie considered U.S.' universities to be made of buffoons.
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Quote, please.
Also, I beg to note that Marie Curie lived in the late late 1800s early 1900s
 
Matteo Martini said:
OK.
But, do not you think that, the US, at the moment, is the number one in fields such as:
- mechanical engineering
- electronic engineering
- optics
- pharma
- ..
do not you think that this may be due also to the US education?
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No.

I said it:

it's due to skilled high tech immigrants and their standards.
 
Ion said:
Einstein was not a mathematician.
I put him in there to show that he used mathematician Poincare's topology, as proof of how important Poincare's topology is.

More important than U.S. endeavors.
And I gave U.S.' invasion of Guatemala as a proof of U.S.'s waste in endeavors.
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OK.
I did not use Einstein as an example for that

Ion said:
I go by more than Fields prize.
The Fields prize is more elitist than Nobel's, but the most elitist thing is what endures the trial of time in succeeding, which is mathematicians that are proved to be useful in Engineering books.

Most Fields' prizes won't make it in Engineering books, proof of them being of academia or trivia value, but not of applicability to any human progress in applied physics and Engineering.
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OK, but the examples of mathematicians you gave me, they were all very very old ( 150 to 200 years old, or more ).
At that time, the US was still a very new nation.
Now, I ask you, which is tha nation which propelled the stronger breacktrhoughs in:
- space engineering
- optics
- electronic engineering
- microprocessors
- ..

Thanks
 
Ion said:
He is the one who approximates trigonometric functions (like sin x) when x is near 0 to polynomials (like x-x(cube)/3!+x(five)/5!-x(seven)/7!-...).
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The Taylor expansion of trigonomic functions isn't an approximation. It's only if you use a finite number of terms in the expansion that it becomes an approximation.
 
Ion said:
Civilization, including education.

Let's take a look at John McEnroe's You cannot be serious studying at Stanford (U.S.) in page 76:

"...I'll freely admit that academics was not my forte...I said to myself "I have to find out what what the athletes take."...In "Sleep, Narcolepsy, and Politics," I was actually able to get an A by playing a charity tennis exhibition. The most memorable was my exposition course: The teacher walked in, stared at us worldlessly for fifteen minutes -it felt like an eternity- and finally said, "I'll bet you're wondering what the requirements for this course are. There is no midterm, no final exam, and there are no papers." This was more like it!..."

Now consider what happens with this stupidity when the graduate of such American diploma mill is someone who who has social power to Shock and Awe innocent populations.
Like Bush who was admitted on legacy and money -not on brain- at Yale and Harvard, and who undertakes to bomb Iraq and lie (with dumb Americans gleefully believing that this is 'patriotic').
That's scary.

Compare Stanford's empty course that is expensive with the sylabus that I have on Mathematiques Speciales M from having studied anonymously -no legacy, no affirmative action American garbage, just anonymously, free of charge, on personal merit- in France.

The starkest difference between French's brainy and U.S.' brainless systems is rendered by Eve Curie, daughter of Polish born and French educated scientist Marie Curie:

Marie Curie considered U.S.' universities to be made of buffoons.
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Eesh...that's harsh. Consider this:

Stanford's current community of scholars includes:
  • 18 Nobel laureates
  • 4 Pulitzer Prize winners
  • 24 MacArthur Fellows
  • 21 recipients of the National Medal of Science
  • 3 National Medal of Technology recipients
  • 228 members of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences
  • 135 members of the National Academy of Sciences
  • 83 National Academy of Engineering members
  • 29 members of the National Academy of Education
  • 44 American Philosophical Society members
  • 7 Wolf Foundation Prize winners
  • 7 winners of the Koret Foundation Prize
  • 3 Presidential Medal of Freedom winners
Probably room for a tennis star, I think.

Source: http://www.stanford.edu/home/stanford/facts/faculty.html

Hard for me to figure out how any of this bears upon the original post but maybe that's just me. Is the theory that America gets into more wars abroad because you think they are stupider than the French? Or could it be that strong American commitment to security in Europe has prevented a major land war there for more than six decades--the first time in European history that such a long period of peace has been experienced?
 
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