Time to end the Cuba embargo?

leftysergeant said:
Cuba was a dictatorship before the revolution.

Whether you feed your own people or the criminal class or foreign investors and planters is part of the difference between a benign dictator and a tyrant.

Batista was clearly a tyrant. He sold Cuba's daughters into prostitution to the Mafia and the land that should have fed the peasants to the agribusinesses that fed Americans with money.
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Lefty, your rant did not answer my point about your being thick enough to still support despots in your assertion up there. If your answer to Batista is "meet the new boss (fidel) same as the old boss, I'm content" then I'll mark you down as and advocate for tyranny. I don't think you'd like to wear that name tag. I am not sure you've even thought it through that far.

Have a nice day.
 
Funny how the embargo is actually a limit on American freedom. We aren't free to travel where we'd like.
On the plus side, if it was opened up to the U.S., we'd trash it pretty quickly...especially the fabulous coral reefs.

On the bright side of the embargo, it has forced the Cubans to learn a lot, especially in agriculture.

Lefty Sarge, we aren't supposed to remember Batista. Or The Duvaliers. Or the Shah. Or Walker. Remembering that sort of history just confuses Americans.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Lefty, your rant did not answer my point about your being thick enough to still support despots in your assertion up there. If your answer to Batista is "meet the new boss (fidel) same as the old boss, I'm content" then I'll mark you down as and advocate for tyranny. I don't think you'd like to wear that name tag. I am not sure you've even thought it through that far.

Have a nice day.
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Lefty's not against tyranny, so long as it's Marxist tyranny.
 
leftysergeant said:
He sold Cuba's daughters into prostitution to the Mafia and the land that should have fed the peasants to the agribusinesses that fed Americans with money.
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So what's Castro doing with that land?

Do you know they have food rationing in Cuba? Crazy, ain't it?
 
WildCat said:
So what's Castro doing with that land?

Do you know they have food rationing in Cuba? Crazy, ain't it?
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They ration food, but they do not have sex tourists banging their daughters. Were they not cut off from trasde with the most lucrative markets, I doubt that there would be that big a problem with feeding everyone well. At the same time, I do not see any sign that starvation is as widespread in Cuba as it is in some places where trade is permitted.

I am not advocating tyranny, but I do recognize that some dictatorships are more evil than others. Batista's was more evil because its intent was to enrich the upper class alone.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Lefty, your rant did not answer my point about your being thick enough to still support despots in your assertion up there. If your answer to Batista is "meet the new boss (fidel) same as the old boss, I'm content" then I'll mark you down as and advocate for tyranny. I don't think you'd like to wear that name tag. I am not sure you've even thought it through that far.

Have a nice day.
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Maybe if the US had vetted their puppet a little better we could have avoided this all together
 
leftysergeant said:
I am not advocating tyranny, but I do recognize that some dictatorships are more evil than others. Batista's was more evil because its intent was to enrich the upper class alone.
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Ah, that must be why former CNN "journalist" Chritian Amanpour praised Castro.


"a leader in many things such as education, health care -- all of those things that it has been able to bring to its people, but not the fundamentals" such as "openness, freedom, the ability to have enough wherewithal, and, you know, the same kind of bread and butter issues that everybody all around the world wants."


Of course, she was just obeying the CNN directive on reporting Castro's retirement, but they probably didn't have to do too much arm twisting.


From: Flexner, Allison
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:46 AM
To: *CNN Superdesk (TBS)
Cc: Neill, Morgan; Darlington, Shasta
Subject: Castro guidance

Some points on Castro – for adding to our anchor reads/reporting:

* Please say in our reporting that Castro stepped down in a letter he wrote to Granma (the communist party daily), as opposed to in a letter attributed to Fidel Castro. We have no reason to doubt he wrote his resignation letter, he has penned numerous articles over the past year and a half.

* Please note Fidel did bring social reforms to Cuba – namely free education and universal health care, and racial integration. in addition to being criticized for oppressing human rights and freedom of speech.
 
MG1962 said:
Maybe if the US had vetted their puppet a little better we could have avoided this all together
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Perhaps, but at this point, that's rum well under the bridge. Fidel has had two generations not to be a despot. Failed, he did. He is simply a king without the convention of a crown, passing his throne to his relations, like any other two bit despot. That he spouts rhetoric approved by useful idiots shows me that he's crafty like a fox, and that he uses those who don't mind being used thanks to their delusions.

I can't say I care for the virulent anti Castro Amero Cuban lobby much myself, as they created a bloody tempest in a teapot when a man wanted his son back. :p

DR
 
leftysergeant said:
I am not advocating tyranny, but I do recognize that some dictatorships are more evil than others. Batista's was more evil because its intent was to enrich the upper class alone.
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When was the last time Cuba had an election? Who are the opposition parties?
 
Cuba has come this far without a MacDonalds - seems a shame to spoil it now.
 
What's good about McDonald's is that you can choose not to eat there. I can't remember the last time I went to one, and yet they are everywhere.
 
Nogbad said:
Cuba has come this far without a MacDonalds - seems a shame to spoil it now.
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Imagine what would happen to the waistline of Cubans if the Scottish staple, deep-fried Mars bars, were allowed to invade the island.
 
Cicero said:
Imagine what would happen to the waistline of Cubans if the Scottish staple, deep-fried Mars bars, were allowed to invade the island.
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It takes centuries of practice to acquire the skills to cope with the Scottish diet. The reason we were never successfully invaded was not due to large swords and pointy things (fun though those were). Armies march on their stomachs and those that invaded, stole and ate our food........

.....suffice to say the Cubans should stick to their rations.
 
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Rolfe said:
I've never seen a deep-fried Mars Bar - Have you, Nogbad?

Rolfe.
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Locally chippy will deep fry the sweet of your choice but I confess I've never tried one. My son has and said it was bogging. A haggis supper is my preferred choice.
 
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