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Time for some TRAFFIC!

hgc said:
This theory is attractive, but has some holes that would need to be plugged with new information. First, the fakery of the supposed traffic study is plainly obvious to any casual observer for the following reasons (just for starters): a) The executive director the PA and the executive responsible for traffic studies testified before the NJ legislature that there was no traffic study; b) Two of Christie's top political appointees to the PA resigned within a few days of each other while this story was unfolding in the press.

It is absolutely incredible to think that Christie would not be aware of the content of these legislative hearings and not conclude that the traffic study that his own appointee alibied himself with before resigning has absolutely no credibility. Furthermore, why wouldn't his understanding of the reasons, whatever it was, as to why his two appointees were abruptly resigning, not have compelled him to take this seriously enough to do a more substantial investigation than to tell his staff they had one hour to fess up or he would assume it's all good.

In short, his blather about traffic studies, and everything else that hinges on it, is blatantly ridiculous. He would have to be stupid to actually believe it.
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I agree, the "traffic study" excuse sounds pretty thin. I can't fathom what the point would be. Let's see what happens when we choke off a major artery in a big city... something Dr. Mengele might have dreamed up if he had gone into urban planning.

But, however stupid Christie was to believe this story, he'd have been stupider to go along with the plot or condone it once he knew about it. My hunch is that his operatives did this without telling him, but further information may prove me wrong. It's an interesting story.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Perhaps he could have investigated
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He didn't have to investigate; he knew about it before it happened. His claim that he didn't know about it is nonsense. To put this more simply: Chris Christie is a liar and is trying desperately to both save his career and avoid jail.

but he believed what his people were telling him and didn't see the need.
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No. He was also in on the cover story.

I think he assumed this road closing was done for a legitimate reason and had no idea his people orchestrated it as a political vendetta.
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No, it was payback over Helen Hoen. There never was any legitimate reason. I understand that it is easy to listen to Fox and Limbaugh and pretend ever so desperately that Christie was a victim. However, this is not reality. Christie was well known to micro-manage everything so claiming that people in his own office knew but he didn't does pass the laugh test. Secondly, it is impossible that he didn't hear about the lane closings which took place over four days and equally impossible that he didn't look into it. No, this has his seal of approval all over it.

He would have been more prepared if he had known that. He wouldn't have made the flippant comments that now haunt him, and he would have gotten a statement out much sooner when this started to blow up.
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That's not true. Christie has both a short temper and a monumental ego. Common sense would not have stopped him from getting even and his only method of dealing with it afterwards was to blow it off. But you are also forgetting something else. He is trying to run out the clock on the hearing authority which ends on the 14th. That's why he did that song and dance today. Unfortunately, he isn't smart enough to understand that it won't work.

It may be fair to say that this is the result of a cynical and vindictive culture he nurtured within his administration, however.
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No, this is all Christie, before, during and after.
 
barehl said:
He is trying to run out the clock on the hearing authority which ends on the 14th. That's why he did that song and dance today. Unfortunately, he isn't smart enough to understand that it won't work.
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Just want to point out that this has a nice tie-in with Dems for Christie. The result of a sizable number of Dems siding with Christie is that they get to elect the incoming Speaker of the House who, as of yesterday, would not commit to extending the legislature's subpoena authority.

And yes, it won't work. The hounds are circling. If they chew him to shreds, it's only because he turned himself into fresh meat by his own malfeasance. There's a political hit job at work here, and it's boomeranging on Chris Christie.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/pol...to_extending_subpoena_power_in_GWB_probe.html
 
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I will say, it definitely changes my perception of the tone of his "no nonsense"signature.
 
hgc said:
the incoming Speaker of the House who, as of yesterday, would not commit to extending the legislature's subpoena authority.
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Today, he said that continuing would not be a problem. I think the wind has shifted.
 
barehl said:
Today, he said that continuing would not be a problem. I think the wind has shifted.
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Yeah, when Wildstein goes in front of the committee and refuses to answer questions publicly, it would look pretty bad politically for the committee head to then say: "Well, that about wraps things up!"

Also, as I posted above, the Feds are getting involved, too. This thing isn't going away.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Yeah, when Wildstein goes in front of the committee and refuses to answer questions publicly, it would look pretty bad politically for the committee head to then say: "Well, that about wraps things up!"

Also, as I posted above, the Feds are getting involved, too. This thing isn't going away.
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Aren't you curious about all those redactions? What are the odds that none of them reference Christie in over 1,000 pages?
 
barehl said:
Aren't you curious about all those redactions? What are the odds that none of them reference Christie in over 1,000 pages?
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Yeah, those redactions just beg to be uncovered.

Incidentally, I'd like to see Christie's office and related politicians try to stop a federal subpoena.
 
Those redactions are made by the Port Authority. Perhaps after having them uncovered, we'll also get to find out who decided what was to be redacted.
 
What kind of traffic study closes lanes anyways? That doesn't make sense. Traffic studies are supposed to be done under normal conditions or else the data is rather useless.
 
Travis said:
What kind of traffic study closes lanes anyways? That doesn't make sense. Traffic studies are supposed to be done under normal conditions or else the data is rather useless.
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That will need to be addressed. Sounds like a pretty stupid study to me.
 
Caper said:
So you are sure Christie ok'd the plan?
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I never said he did, I said that those that did it believed that he would have their back.

ETA: However from the articles coming out now, it seems that these are his go to people and they do what he wants them to do.
 
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Travis said:
What kind of traffic study closes lanes anyways? That doesn't make sense. Traffic studies are supposed to be done under normal conditions or else the data is rather useless.
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Unless the study is to see what happens if you remove some access lanes to the busiest bridge in the country.
 
Travis said:
What kind of traffic study closes lanes anyways? That doesn't make sense. Traffic studies are supposed to be done under normal conditions or else the data is rather useless.
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They were studying what happens when you close two-thirds of the traffic lanes. R&D stuff.
 
Tricky said:
They were studying what happens when you close two-thirds of the traffic lanes. R&D stuff.
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I think their research uncovered what happens: you take the Fifth before a legislative committee; you get investigated by the US Attorney; you get fired in the most publicly humiliating way by your blowhard boss...
 
thaiboxerken said:
You wish it was just a dream. There is a reason Christie doesn't want those people to testify in court about who ordered what. Even if he didn't order it, initially, he's either incompetent or compliant to let it happen for several days.
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Has Christie tried to get them stopped from testifying?
 
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