Tillerson to be SOS

WilliamSeger said:
There's a $500 billion oil deal between Exxon and the Russian government oil company Rosneft that was put on hold because of the sanctions. It would actually be larger than that because a new 1-billion-barrel reserve was later found in the same Arctic field. That deal was the reason Putin gave Tillerson the highest state award it can give to a non-Russian. Tillerson owns over $150 million in Exxon stock. I assume he would have to sell those before taking the position, but I suspect that stock will be worth considerably more by then, just on the expectation that the sanctions will likely be lifted.
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Yes, the arctic drilling. How convenient that the ice sheet is melting.

And: DOES THE UKRAINIAN CRISIS REVOLVE AROUND THIS PIPELINE?


These guys are dinosaurs. They don't get it that the oil boom is finite.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
These guys are dinosaurs. They don't get it that the oil boom is finite.
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I think they probably do.

I also think that they want to personally extract extract every last dollar they can from the industry before it ceases to be possible.

I also believe that they really don't care what the bottom 90% or so pays in cash, inconvenience, pollution, dubious working practices and deaths in order that they can make their profit.
 
I prefer "**** on a Shingle" as in Army speak in the older days for very thinly sliced bits of dried beef in a white "sauce" served on dry toast/stale bread after modest heating of some type.
 
Rex Tillerson, the businessman nominated by Donald Trump to be the next US secretary of state, was the long-time director of a US-Russian oil firm based in the tax haven of the Bahamas, leaked documents show.

Tillerson – the chief executive of ExxonMobil – became a director of the oil company’s Russian subsidiary, Exxon Neftegas, in 1998. His name – RW Tillerson – appears next to other officers who are based at Houston, Texas; Moscow; and Sakhalin, in Russia’s far east.

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Since his nomination, Tillerson’s Russia ties have become a source of bipartisan concern. In 2013, Putin awarded him the Russian Order of Friendship. Tillerson is close to Igor Sechin, the head of Russian state oil company Rosneft and the de facto second most powerful figure inside the Kremlin. A hardliner, Sechin is ex-KGB.

Tillerson’s award followed a 2011 deal between ExxonMobil and Rosneft to explore the Kara Sea, in Russia’s Arctic.

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As well as on oil and gas, the Obama administration has imposed personal sanctions on Putin’s friends, including Sechin. Sechin has said that one of his ambitions is to “ride the roads in the United States on motorcycles with Tillerson”. Currently, Sechin is forbidden from entering the country.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...director-bahamas-based-us-russian-oil-company

To elaborate: Igor Sechin is quite possibly the second most powerful individual in Russia at the present and anyone that has anything even resembling a close relationship with someone of his stature is clearly unsuitable as secretary of state. It's not hard to see why they would be associates or even friends because Sechin maintains more or less personal control of Russia's oil industry, much of which he stole from YukosWP, which was a private oil company before it's CEO became seen as a threat to Putin.

If anything his intimate connection with Exxon mobile and it's operations in other states (especially Russia) alone means there is an incredible conflict of interest. Why not nominate the CEO of Boeing or Lockheed Martin as the Secretary of Defense?

What a *********** disaster of a country. Trump's election has really thrown America's global image down the toilet.
 
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Tillerson news update:

Politico said:
ExxonMobil helped defeat Russia sanctions bill

ExxonMobil successfully lobbied against a bill that would have made it harder for the next president to lift sanctions against Russia, clearing the way for the oil giant to restart a program worth billions of dollars if Donald Trump eases those restrictions as president.

The company’s effort could be helped by outgoing CEO Rex Tillerson, who, if confirmed as secretary of state, would be a key adviser on the decision.

The bill, known as the STAND for Ukraine Act, would have converted into law for five years President Barack Obama’s measures punishing Russia for annexing Crimea, making it more difficult for Trump to roll them back. The Senate left town on Monday without acting on the bill, making it easier for Trump to end the sanctions with a stroke of the pen.

The sanctions forced Exxon to step back from a drilling project in Russia’s Arctic, a loss that the company valued in a regulatory filing at as much as $1 billion. Exxon also lobbied the Senate Foreign Relations Committee against previous bills punishing Russia for the invasion of Ukraine, according to a person familiar with the company’s efforts on Capitol Hill.
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The Guardian said:
Leak reveals Rex Tillerson was director of Bahamas-based US-Russian oil firm

Rex Tillerson, the businessman nominated by Donald Trump to be the next US secretary of state, was the long-time director of a US-Russian oil firm based in the tax haven of the Bahamas, leaked documents show.

Tillerson – the chief executive of ExxonMobil – became a director of the oil company’s Russian subsidiary, Exxon Neftegas, in 1998. His name – RW Tillerson – appears next to other officers who are based at Houston, Texas; Moscow; and Sakhalin, in Russia’s far east.

The leaked 2001 document comes from the corporate registry in the Bahamas. It was one of 1.3m files given to the Germany newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung by an anonymous source. The registry is public but details of individual directors are typically incomplete or missing entirely.

Though there is nothing untoward about this directorship, it has not been reported before and is likely to raise fresh questions over Tillerson’s relationship with Russia ahead of a potentially stormy confirmation hearing by the US senate foreign relations committee. Exxon said on Sunday that Tillerson was no longer a director after becoming the company’s CEO in 2006.
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Aepervius said:
Actually it makes much more sense you are willing to admit.

If I was Putin, i would rather have an incompetent business moron like trump, rather than somebody which know a little bit of the job.
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I've never understood this argument, to be honest. I could see Putin supporting Trump over Clinton if Clinton was an old-fashioned, hard-ass, Conservative Reagan-type Cold Warrior. But Clinton ran explicitly as Obama's third term politically and Putin has spent the last eight years playing with Obama (and Clinton when she was SOS) like a kitten with a ball of yarn.

It's kind of the same old conspiracy theory of the original October Surprise where Iran was so terrified of Jimmy Carter, who they had been busy making a fool of, that they cut a deal with Reagan to get him elected, making the Iranian position much worse.

Besides which, Trump may be corruptible by business interests, where we know for a fact that Clinton already is. All Putin would have to do is have a middleman "donate" several million dollars to the Clinton slush fund Foundation and he could do anything he wanted as far as Clinton's concerned.
 
cmikes said:
Besides which, Trump may be corruptible by business interests, where we know for a fact that Clinton already is. All Putin would have to do is have a middleman "donate" several million dollars to the Clinton slush fund Foundation and he could do anything he wanted as far as Clinton's concerned.
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We do ?

AFAIK there's no evidence that contribution to the Clinton Foundation provides access to government officials, much less that it results in changes to government policy. I know there's plenty of rumour and innuendo, much of it pushed by the GOP and their cronies but I'm not aware of actual evidence.
 
cmikes said:
I've never understood this argument, to be honest. I could see Putin supporting Trump over Clinton if Clinton was an old-fashioned, hard-ass, Conservative Reagan-type Cold Warrior. But Clinton ran explicitly as Obama's third term politically and Putin has spent the last eight years playing with Obama (and Clinton when she was SOS) like a kitten with a ball of yarn.

It's kind of the same old conspiracy theory of the original October Surprise where Iran was so terrified of Jimmy Carter, who they had been busy making a fool of, that they cut a deal with Reagan to get him elected, making the Iranian position much worse.

Besides which, Trump may be corruptible by business interests, where we know for a fact that Clinton already is. All Putin would have to do is have a middleman "donate" several million dollars to the Clinton slush fund Foundation and he could do anything he wanted as far as Clinton's concerned.
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And hiring one of Putin's friends and business partners as secretary of state doesn't mean anything to you?
 
fuelair said:
I prefer "**** on a Shingle" as in Army speak in the older days for very thinly sliced bits of dried beef in a white "sauce" served on dry toast/stale bread after modest heating of some type.
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**** on a Raft as we called anything brown on toast.
 
cmikes said:
Besides which, Trump may be corruptible by business interests, where we know for a fact that Clinton already is. All Putin would have to do is have a middleman "donate" several million dollars to the Clinton slush fund Foundation and he could do anything he wanted as far as Clinton's concerned.
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Gee, I wonder if 25 years of non-stop lies about Hillary Clinton hurt her chances?

One of the most depressing things about this election was realizing that a lying neofascist demagogue has won because America's right-wing has finally succeeded into turning our political environment into a giant steaming pile of ****, with little prospect of a clean-up in my remaining lifetime. As a nation, we have become too stupid to govern ourselves rationally, so let the looting begin, "conservatives"; we'll be watching reality TV. When you're a star, you can do anything you want, ya know.
 
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I am also curious how we know Clinton is corrupt, but we only may know Trump is.

Trump, for example, has already used his PEOTUS status to oppose a wind farm in the U.K. that he felt would impact the view of one of his golf courses. Not to mention his not-at-all-blind trust managers taking active roles in his transition team.

Please explain?
 
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