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Those kooky gymnasts

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So because of a scoring error, Paul Hamm gets the gold and Yang Tae-young gets the bronze (he should have won gold). Now the International Gymnastics Federation, which won't reverse the results, wants Paul Hamm to personally reverse the results by giving Yang the gold medal.

The IGF should determine the result. End of story. If they want it changed, then they should change it. Crazy.
 
"should have won". What a joke. Whenever you have a so called sport that relies on judges scoring how can you be certain who should have won? Bias is so much a part of the "sport" that they automatically drop hte high/low scores.
 
This is why timed events kick serious butt over judged events (my scorn is also directed at figure skating and boxing btw).

How many marathon medals have been in contention based on a judge's ruling?

The USOC is right on the money. Don't put Hamm in the position of looking like the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ because he won't give his medal back voluntarily based on judges mistakes and subsequent IGF bungling.
 
Furious said:
The USOC is right on the money. Don't put Hamm in the position of looking like the a**hole because he won't give his medal back voluntarily based on judges mistakes and subsequent IGF bungling.
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Well, newspapers here quote Hamm as saying (warning: translation of a translation) that he won't give it back because "he really felt that he was the winner". In my opinion, this is what makes him look bad.

The scoring mistake was clear, the Koreans made a notification during the event but were told by the officials that they have to give it after the event. Then, after the event other officials say to them that the formal complaint should have been made during it.

Out of the three officials that were sacked on this one was an American and another lives there. I perceive a conflict of interests.
 
Yes...sports are all good fun until the children get their feelings hurt, and mommy and daddy have to fix it. Sheesh, surely making it to the Olympics at all is a big deal. Do they really have to cry about not winning?

Although nobody has yet disgraced themselves like Tonya Harding and her mascara-dripping weeping over her skate lace. That was entertaining.
 
hgc said:
CNN article

So because of a scoring error, Paul Hamm gets the gold and Yang Tae-young gets the bronze (he should have won gold). Now the International Gymnastics Federation, which won't reverse the results, wants Paul Hamm to personally reverse the results by giving Yang the gold medal.

The IGF should determine the result. End of story. If they want it changed, then they should change it. Crazy.
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Then the IGF should also explain how they justify giving credit for the one tenth mistake as to the start value when at the same time the judges made a mistake in that they should have deducted two tenths for a mistake the gymnast made during the routine.

It is like a soccer game where you complain that the shot in the first half went in but the refs disallowed it on a obviously wrong offsides call so you lost when in reality your side also committed 2 obvious fouls in the penalty area that went uncalled. Hard to claim you were ripped off by the officials... Not to mention the changes in the game itself had the goal been counted...

I bet every athlete would love to review their performance and only count the mistakes that if corrected would benefit them and ignore the mistakes actually made that if corrected would harm them....
 
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Suddenly said:
Then the IGF should also explain how they justify giving credit for the one tenth mistake as to the start value when at the same time the judges made a mistake in that they should have deducted two tenths for a mistake the gymnast made during the routine.

It is like a soccer game where you complain that the shot in the first half went in but the refs disallowed it on a obviously wrong offsides call so you lost when in reality your side also committed 2 obvious fouls in the penalty area that went uncalled. Hard to claim you were ripped off by the officials... Not to mention the changes in the game itself had the goal been counted...

I bet every athlete would love to review their performance and only count the mistakes that if corrected would benefit them and ignore the mistakes actually made that if corrected would harm them....
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I have only two words:

Womens Beach Vollyball


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LW said:
Well, newspapers here quote Hamm as saying (warning: translation of a translation) that he won't give it back because "he really felt that he was the winner". In my opinion, this is what makes him look bad.

The scoring mistake was clear, the Koreans made a notification during the event but were told by the officials that they have to give it after the event. Then, after the event other officials say to them that the formal complaint should have been made during it.

Out of the three officials that were sacked on this one was an American and another lives there. I perceive a conflict of interests.
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Rather than putting the athlete (who nobody seems to have *proven* influenced the judging) in the position of 'looking bad' for having an opinion about events out of their control, why shouldn't the people who were responsible for running a fair competition be required to do the right thing, and award the medal to the person with the highest adjusted score?
 
The article says FIG's own rules prohibit score changes.

So what the hell is there to discuss? Screw 'em. Pay more attention next time.
 
Jocko said:
The article says FIG's own rules prohibit score changes.

So what the hell is there to discuss? Screw 'em. Pay more attention next time.
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Yeah, whatever....

Women's Beach Vollyball
 
How about a do-over? Both guys could do their...routine? whatever you call it again. If the object of awarding a medal is to recognize the best athlete, then why would he object to a rematch? Unless he thinks he can't do it again, and his success was a fluke. In which case he doesn't deserve the medal. And if he loses the second time, they could do best-out-of-three.

It would even boost ratings, since people seem to care about this and would tune in.
 
TragicMonkey said:
How about a do-over? Both guys could do their...routine? whatever you call it again. If the object of awarding a medal is to recognize the best athlete, then why would he object to a rematch? Unless he thinks he can't do it again, and his success was a fluke. In which case he doesn't deserve the medal. And if he loses the second time, they could do best-out-of-three.

It would even boost ratings, since people seem to care about this and would tune in.
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It's already scheduled for 2008.
 
Jocko said:
The article says FIG's own rules prohibit score changes.

So what the hell is there to discuss? Screw 'em. Pay more attention next time.
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"Compassionate Conservative"
 
Jocko said:
It's already scheduled for 2008.
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With all the crap they do, they'll have completely worn out their joints by then. I can't watch gymnastics because I can feel their premature arthritis and bursitis starting up.
 
Tmy said:
"should have won". What a joke. Whenever you have a so called sport that relies on judges scoring how can you be certain who should have won? Bias is so much a part of the "sport" that they automatically drop hte high/low scores.
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I agree. The assertion seems to be that Tee-Young was erroneously docked one-tenth of a point based on the difficulty of a move. But isn't it up to the judges to judge the difficulty of a move? If there were some objective criteria, and someone made a mistake with a calculator, that would be one thing. But this is what happens when you have human judges.

I'm sure that the majority of gold medals should really have gone to the person who instead got the silver or bronze. Probably, in the rest of the cases, it was a toss-up, and maybe there should have been three gold medals. Very, very rarely is a performance so good that it obviously merits the only gold medal, and in an "overall" competition? Hah!
 
Did anyone see the Highbar competition!??!?

The judges actually CHANGED their scores cause the crowd went ballistic when they lowballed some Russian.

THe whole contest was tainted after that.
 
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