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Foolmewunz said:
Who are you, generally - not specifically, where are you from, where have you lived, what is your particular experience, why should we believe a word you say? Anyone can choose a Chinese name and post on the internet. Thus far, that's all we have to go by - an anonymous person who will not back up his/her rantings with anything other than, "Well, because I said so!"
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You are trying to do exactly the same thing, to convince every one what you said about your identity is true.
I never attempt to convince any one of my identity here, it is does not make sense to me.

But con-men are the opposite, they always try to convince others they are someones they are not. trust their stories which are just lies.
 
Thanks, foolmewunz, for the added support/entertainment.

I don't see any use in any further discussion/debate with Yinyin; he's obviously unwilling to give any indication of his personal experience or expertise to render opinions about China. And I think that pretty much any rational reader here can form their own conclusions as to his character, and the veracity of his claims.

Anything from this point onwards is just wasting time.
 
Foolmewunz said:
You really are divorced from reality, aren't you? You're suspicious of us because we would dare to disagree with you on what you profess to be an expert on - the government and culture in China. And we keep asking you to give us anything other than your insistant repetition that would let us believe that.
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Lot of people "dare" to disagree with me on many subjects, but none of them except you two keeping asking about my identity and try to use identity to prove your opinion, which is stupid but often practiced by commie propaganda. They give some money to a peasant and ask him to speak for all poor peasants that they are happy being poor.
 
Wolfman said:
Ummm...actually, I have 100% facts to support the basis of my argument that you lied about internet censorship in China. I have people here in JREF who've personally met with me in China, who can attest to my experience here.

On the other hand, we have no basis whatsoever for any claims that you've made. And you are, quite obviously, completely unwilling to give us any basis for those claims.

In summary -- my claims have at least some basis, that of forum members who can verify my experience, and that of plain commonly available facts that show some of your own statements to be completely erroneous. If that minimal basis is not enough to support my claims, then that means that you have no basis whatsoever to support anything you've said at all.

BTW -- as I have nothing to hide, and in order to support the claims I've made, here are links to two websites:

www.newleaders.com.cn -- New Leaders is a consulting company that I established with a Taiwanese partner, and in which I have worked as a cross cultural consultant to both foreign and Chinese companies for over 8 years.

www.mosuoproject.org -- The Lugu Lake Mosuo Cultural Development Association is a non-profit organization I founded in January of 2006; it works with a Chinese minority group who lives in one of the most remote regions of China.

Now, again -- besides your evasions, and your untruths about the "facts" of China -- on what basis do you make your claims here?
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You just can't find a better way of proving your self except for having someone saying who you are. Can you see how stupid this is?
 
yinyinwang said:
Lot of people "dare" to disagree with me on many subjects, but none of them except you two keeping asking about my identity and try to use identity to prove your opinion, which is stupid but often practiced by commie propaganda.
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Oh, sorry...I just have to respond to that one! But it'll be my last response, I promise!

So, basically, your argument is that the Communist way of doing things is to give clear explanations of your background and experience, provide links to websites that support such claims, and have the support of others who verify your claims.

The non-Communist way of doing things is to offer opinions without any indication at all of the basis of those opinions...to claim that people should believe it just because you said it.

Gee...and here, I always thought it was the other way around -- that the Chinese Communist government expected people to believe things just because they said it is true, with no proof; and that it was those committed to concepts like "Truth" who demanded that if you're going to claim that something is "true", you should provide some validation for your claim.

I greatly appreciate your clarification on that point; and I promise that, from now on, in any interactions with you, I will seek to give as many opinions as I can while refusing to give any support or background for those beliefs as possible.

Exactly the same as you.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Keep denying it! It just proves further that you're an agent for the KMT and Republicans.
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I just don't see why would KMT send anyone here. They have nothing to gain doing so and I haven't mention anything about Taiwan and KMT. But the commies are definitely trying to influence world opinion on them.
 
yinyinwang said:
You just can't find a better way of proving your self except for having someone saying who you are. Can you see how stupid this is?
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Yes, I do.

And I contritely apologize, and admit the error of my ways.

I greatly appreciate you showing me "the truth" -- that if I want people to believe me, I should do everything I can to hide the basis of my opinions, and just throw insults at the other side any time they use actual "facts" to support their opinions.

I now acknowledge that, since you claim no experience in China whatsoever, and since you refuse to give any background for your claims, I must accept everything that you say without question. My god, you've got yellow skin and black hair, both of which I lack -- how could I ever have had the hubris to oppose you?

I humbly ask your forgiveness for seeking to offer proof of my claims. I see now that your method of no proof whatsoever is far more superior, and beyond reproach.

And, as a dutiful servant to the Chinese government, I will pass on to them the information that if they want to be enlightened and open-minded individuals like yourself, they should cease seeking to provide proof for anything they say, and simply expect everyone to believe them because "they are Chinese".

ETA: Okay...damn it, he just keeps suckering me in with these amazing set-up lines. I promise, no matter what he says after this, I will stop responding.
 
Wolfman said:
So, basically, your argument is that the Communist way of doing things is to give clear explanations of your background and experience, provide links to websites that support such claims, and have the support of others who verify your claims.
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basically, my argument is that the Communist way of doing things is to give lies about explanations of your background and experience, provide links to questionable websites that support such claims, and have the support of co-agent others who verify your claims.
 
Wolfman said:
The non-Communist way of doing things is to offer opinions without any indication at all of the basis of those opinions...to claim that people should believe it just because you said it.
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The non-Communist way of doing things is to offer opinions with facts, not identity. It is up to others to make their own judgements.
 
Wolfman said:
Yes, I do.

And I contritely apologize, and admit the error of my ways.

I greatly appreciate you showing me "the truth" -- that if I want people to believe me, I should do everything I can to hide the basis of my opinions, and just throw insults at the other side any time they use actual "facts" to support their opinions.
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if you want people to believe you, you should do everything you can to stick to relevant facts and reasoning of your opinions, not try to prove your opinion with your identity and just throw insults at the other side any time they use actual "facts" to support their opinions.
 
Wolfman said:
I humbly ask your forgiveness for seeking to offer proof of my claims. I see now that your method of no proof whatsoever is far more superior, and beyond reproach.
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Everyone is equal and you don't have to do anything humble unless you are brain-washed by the commie.
 
Wolfman said:
And, as a dutiful servant to the Chinese government, I will pass on to them the information that if they want to be enlightened and open-minded individuals like yourself, they should cease seeking to provide proof for anything they say, and simply expect everyone to believe them because "they are Chinese".

ETA: Okay...damn it, he just keeps suckering me in with these amazing set-up lines. I promise, no matter what he says after this, I will stop responding.
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O yes, not every one has the honor to pass information to "them".
 
dudalb said:
For Heaven's sake, I was making a joke about the current best selling novel World War Z in which the zombie plague first breaks out in China.
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I bought that book for my son at his request. Guess I should consider reading it as well.
 
yinyinwang said:
I don't think anyone has proven identity here posting, so stop trying to give the impression that you can prove someone's identity, that just make things more suspicious.
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Perhaps there is a language barrier here over the words, "proving one's identity". What Foolme is saying and what many of us here know is that over thousands of posts we come to know each other quite well.

Is there any reason you can think of why a Chinese government agent would bother hanging out on this board? What possible motive would that person have for trying to influence our particular opinions here?

Wolfman happens to enjoy his adopted country. Many people in China are happy and I'm sure many there would like to change the government. The same is true here in the US. I despise our current administration. Those people on this board who support Bush and his NeoCons aren't agents of the government. There could be some. Some marketers have used such a technique to promote products. The Republican Party isn't above using such a tactic. But mostly people are here simply giving their honest opinions. (Deranged maybe in the case of Bush supporters ;) but likely honest.)
 
yinyinwang said:
Everyone is equal and you don't have to do anything humble unless you are brain-washed by the commie.
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You'd get more consideration for your view if you cited examples or reasons for your conclusions instead of just declaring someone is brainwashed.
 
In the mean time, I wanted to post the following from my infectious disease reporting site. The site carries reports on some poisonings as well as infections.

FOOD SAFETY - CHINA

It is a summary of this Reuter's article, China approves food safety law, WHO lauds efforts.

And these related news articles were also included, 774 arrests in China over safety, and, Chinese chemicals flow unchecked to market

During the SARS outbreak, the WHO chose to praise China for its cooperation rather than complaining about its failures. It was an interesting exchange to say the least. Opening trade to world markets means benefits for the countries whose safety records have been poor, including some things from our country.
 
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