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This was RAPE!

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Read this one... You won't believe it.

Donna Jean Summers, the manager, is saying she's sorry this happened.

Well, hell, Summers! Why the f*** did you pull this? If you had no knowledge of this young woman ever doing anything wrong, WHY THE F*** DID YOU STRIP SEARCH HER!?!?!

Managers of at least 17 McDonald's stores around the nation had been conned by that time, and the company already was defending itself in at least four lawsuits stemming from such hoaxes.

But Summers, who had worked for the McDonald's 25 miles southeast of Louisville for about eight months, said she had never heard a thing about the hoaxes. Neither had Dockery, or the store's manager, or McDonald's area manager, according to court depositions they gave later.
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BS. The woman was a blithering imbecile. Why didn't she then insist on having the police show up at the restaurant, and do the frigging strip search themselves, with a police woman present? I'd like to slap her stupid, except that's compounding a felony as she's already got an IQ in single digits.

Dockery hugged Ogborn and tried to console her, and Jason Bradley, 27, a cook who Summers at one point called in to watch Ogborn, refused to go along with the caller's instructions to remove her apron and describe her. But neither of them called the police, nor demanded the search be aborted.
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Dockery should have kept his hands to herself, given her participation in this cruelty. Bradley deserves some credit for refusing to go along.

Let's remember something: This is a young woman, she's EIGHTEEN! She has no experience with this sort of thing! Of course she's terrified! She's trying to help her mother out by taking this crummy job, and this is how she's treated!?!?! WTF!?!?!

"She said no, I'm not married yet, but I intend to be," Bradley recalled in his deposition, adding that Summers "started laughing like she was talking to a friend." The caller told Summers to bring in her fiance, and at about 6 p.m., she called Walter Wes Nix Jr., at home.

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Nix, 42, a father of two and an exterminator by trade, attended church regularly and had coached youth baseball teams in Mount Washington. He is a "great, super guy, a great community guy," his best friend, Terry Grigsby, said later in a deposition. "He was a great role model for kids. … I don't think he'd ever had a ticket."

Summers handed Nix the phone and left the office. The caller told Nix he was a detective. For the next two hours, Nix later told police, "He told me what to do."
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I'll tell you this: it's going to be a cold day in Hell before I even THINK of attending the same church as this frigging pinhead.

Even supervisors at fast-food restaurants made ready targets, said Milton Prewitt, national editor of Nation's Restaurant News, a trade publication. "You dot your `i's, cross your `t's' and push the buttons, and after a year of that," he said, "you might be an assistant manager."

Quick-serve restaurants — as they are known in the industry — also may have been vulnerable because managers are trained to cooperate with law enforcement, said Gene James, president of the National Food Service Security Council, an industry group.
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Sorry. No excuse. At some point, with a weeping young woman who's being physically and sexually abused BY YOU, with some p**** who's using you as his proxy, you have to say "Enough!" Obedience be damned, how about DECENCY!!!

Nix left, drove a few blocks to his home and immediately called his best friend, Grigsby, who recalls Nix saying, "I have done something terribly bad."
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NO SH**, SHERLOCK! YOU HAVE SODOMIZED SOMEONE!!! AT WHAT POINT DID YOU STOP AND THINK THAT THIS WAS NOT A COP?!?!? OR DID YOU!?!?!

It was Simms, the Mount Washington store's maintenance man and a ninth-grade dropout, who refused to play the caller's game.

He had stopped by the restaurant for dessert and coffee when Summers pulled him into the office and handed him the phone. The caller told Simms to have Ogborn drop the apron and to describe her. Simms refused.

"He said, `Something is not right about this,'" Summers recalled in her deposition.

And finally, she realized the same. She called her manager — Lisa Siddons — whom the caller had said was on the other line. Summers discovered Siddons had been home, sleeping.

"I knew then I had been had," Summers said. "I lost it.

"I begged Louise for forgiveness. I was almost hysterical."
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Let me get this straight: A NINTH GRADE DROPOUT figure out this was wrong, but not the store manager!?!

Summers watched the store video later the same night, saw what Nix had done, and called off their engagement. She hasn't spoken with him since, according to her attorney.

She initially was suspended, then later fired, for violating a McDonald's rule barring nonemployees from entering the office. A couple of weeks later, she was indicted on a charge of unlawful imprisonment, a misdemeanor. Nix was indicted on charges of sodomy and assault.

Dockery was transferred to another restaurant.

Ogborn never went back to work at the store.

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She graduated from Spencer County High School, but was too shaken to enroll at the University of Louisville, where she had planned to study pre-med, Campbell said.
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This is one of the greatest tragedies in this. This was clearly a bright, intelligent young woman, whose greatest contributions to our society had yet to be. And Nix, Summers, and Dockery have wrecked her life. We have ALL lost out.

When they showed it to the warden at the company's Bay Correctional Facility, he identified the man as David R. Stewart, 38, a guard on the swing shift.

Stewart denied making the calls, but when confronted, he started to "sweat profusely and shake uncontrollably," Flaherty wrote in a report. Stewart also asked, "Was anybody hurt?" and said, "Amen, it's over," according to the report.
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One small step forward. You have to wonder what sort of pathetic, brainless losers are running fast food outfits these days that it takes this much action from the police to bring it to an end.

His family has stood behind him — his mother said he is "a good boy" and another relative said he's well liked in Cheektowaga, the Buffalo suburb where he grew up.

Stewart declined to be interviewed, but in a letter responding to Ogborn's suit in Bullitt Circuit Court, he said: "I received your notice but I'm in no way responsible. I feel bad for your loss because I am a victim as well. I lost my job, my home and my car all over something I did not do."

In fact, he deeded his residence, a $37,900 mobile home on a dirt road 20 miles north of Panama City, to his wife for $100, according to Florida property records.
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Yo, Stewart: Just a little heads up. YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM! YOU ARE A VICTIMIZER! You are trash. You are filth. Hopefully, when you are one of those you used to guard, you will become someone's bitch for the rest of your miserable life!

But the duped managers have been condemned by others.

"You don't have to be a Phi Beta Kappa to know not to strip-search a girl who is accused of stealing change," said Roger Hall, the lawyer for a woman who won $250,000 after being strip-searched at a McDonald's in Louisa, Ky.

A Fox-TV commentator asked how the managers who went along could be so "colossally stupid."
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Sorry. I don't feel sorry for the managers. I feel sickened by them, and if I were in a position to hire anyone, I'd make damned sure I never hired anyone who participated in such a vicious game. I have to go along with the Fox-TV commentator, though I think "colossally stupid" is being a bit kind.

Summers has filed her own claim against McDonald's, alleging that the incident would not have occurred if she had been warned.

She declined to be interviewed, but in her deposition, she angrily asked how McDonald's "could have failed to spread the word."

"You've destroyed three lives," she said. "Hope you're happy."
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Oh, geez. Save the drama for your mama, Summers. You were the primary idiot in this episode.

In court papers, McDonald's also has blamed Ogborn for what happened to her — saying that her injuries, "if any," were caused by her failure to realize the caller wasn't a real police officer.

Questioning Ogborn during a deposition, Patterson suggested that although she had no clothes, she could have walked out of the office, but stayed voluntarily to clear her name.

"Did it ever occur to you to scream?" he asked.
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Patterson is slime. He's garbage. He's the reason there are lawyer jokes. Period. What kind of filth blames the victim in something like this? Please, someone shoot this clown. AN EIGHTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL IS NOT GOING TO WALK OUT OF AN OFFICE WITHOUT HER CLOTHING ON!

Nix is scheduled for trial Tuesday. If convicted of sodomy, he faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison — twice the penalty that could be meted to Stewart, although his lawyer, Kathleen Schmidt, noted that plea negotiations are under way.

"I can understand how people can question what he did," Schmidt said. "But they weren't in the same position. Maybe you and I wouldn't have done this, but how do we know?"
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BECAUSE YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE SKEPTICAL! ESPECIALLY WHEN THE LIVES OF OTHERS ARE AT STAKE! I KNOW THIS! I'M A TRUCKER!

Frankly, it's going to be a while before I pull my rig into the parking lot of a Mickey D's.
 
I would not be surprised to discover that a majority of people would follow Summers' example if this were to happen to them.
 
Not here they wouldn't! At the very least, someone would cotton on very quick that it was not exactly SOP for any workplace, and would probably baulk and start asking pointed questions.

The more usual (Mcdonalds) response would be a rather disinterested, "Yeah? Wotcha name, mate? Nah, the manager's taken a sickie, but I'll tell him you called. You want fries with that? Yeah orrite. See ya."
 
Frankly I can't believe anyone could be so mind bogglingly stupid. If somebody called me and told me to strip search a 15 year old girl the first thing I would do is tell them exactly what I thought of them, I'd then hang up and then I'd call the police.

I really can't imagine anyone with an IQ of more than 5 doing much else.
 
Time to drag out the Milgram experiment again. The sad fact is, humans are extremely compliant with authority figures, and probably the majority of people would do the same thing as the manager.

That's not meant to excuse her actions, but to remind us that we all have a responsibility to aspire to higher standards.

Jeremy
 
AnotherSillyAlias said:
If true I think that's a rather sad reflection on society in general.
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In a way, yes. But we're an extremely social species. We're no different from other primates in that we're accustomed to living in a social hierarchy. It's possible that we're wired, either biologically or by upbringing, to follow orders from those we perceive to be higher up the "chain of command."

It's sad, but I don't know if it's really a sign of weakness of character. Naturally, all of us would like to think we wouldn't act like that in the same situation, but the statistics show otherwise. I think we risk self-deception if we flatly deny the possibility that we might do the same.

Jeremy
 
toddjh said:
In a way, yes. But we're an extremely social species. We're no different from other primates in that we're accustomed to living in a social hierarchy. It's possible that we're wired, either biologically or by upbringing, to follow orders from those we perceive to be higher up the "chain of command."

It's sad, but I don't know if it's really a sign of weakness of character. Naturally, all of us would like to think we wouldn't act like that in the same situation, but the statistics show otherwise. I think we risk self-deception if we flatly deny the possibility that we might do the same.

Jeremy
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To an extent. I'd like to think that if someone claiming to be a cop were to demand that I engage in oral sex with an teenaged girl because of a possible theft, I'd have the courage to tell the "cop" where he could stuff his badge. At some point, someone had to have realized that something was terribly wrong with this. Why in the hell would you do this to anyone, much less someone who less than a year ago was a minor?

Personally, I'd like to think the convicts in the prisons where the "adults" in this sad affair will be winding up will be able to exact some semblance of justice for this kid. She sure didn't get it from the people she should have gotten it from.
 
Surely these people have watched enough cops-and-lawyers shows on TV, even the awfully scripted ones, to get a clue or two that such behaviour as this is PROBABLY LEGALLY WRONG, MAN!!! :eek:
 
Here's another part of the problem:
Bullitt District Court Judge Rebecca Ward initially dismissed the charge against Summers, saying she "definitely exercised poor judgment ... but was as much a victim as Miss Ogborn."
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No, Summers needs a slap upside the head. Idiot... *whap*.
 
I don't mean to be insensitive, but why did she go along with this? Why are the managers who went along with this "colossally stupid", but no questions are asked about the employee? If we're willing to accept that she can be pressured into doing not-so-intelligent things, why is that completely rejected in the case of the managers? I'm not trying to say she isn't a victim, or that she has as much responsibility as everyone else. This was a horrible thing that was done to her. I'm not blaming her, simply pointing out that we should be talking not only why managers would do this kind of thing, but why employees would.

I think that the police also need to take some responsibility for this. The fact is, they DO order strip searches for frivolous reasons, and they DO intimidate people into giving up their rights. The fact that the guy's story sounded plausible really says something about the police. Let me ask you something: suppose you're pulled over by a cop, and he asks for your ID. You tell him that you won't show him yours until he shows you his. Which do you think is a more likely response:

A: The cop will commend you on your prudence in ensuring that he is not impersonating a cop, and happily give you a photo ID, his badge number, precinct number, and supervisor.

B: The cop will get pissy and imply, if not outright state, that any further reluctance to comply will have serious consequences.
 
All of that is mind-bogglingly stupid. In either position, I wouldn't have done a damn thing until the police actually showed up. I remember being trained to leave things to the police. Detain, stall, but don't do anymore than that. That's for a police officer to do.

Aside from that, there's all that training when we're kids about making sure it is a police officer before complying...
 
I have another question: would you feel differently if the caller had been a cop? Everyone is talking about how these people failed to realize that the caller wasn't a cop, but is that really the most important issue? Isn't a more important issue whether these are appropriate things for a cop to be doing? Unfortunately, if people err on the other side, they can be prosecuted for not following a cop's orders. Isn't requiring people to obey police officers a recipe for disaster?
 
Plus, the whole story starts with phone-dude offering an ultimatum: manager strips employee there, or police arrive, arrest employee, and take her to the station to strip her. Employee *begs* for the second option, so why does the manager go with the first, exactly???

Unless that part of employee's later deposition is less than accurate, but...
 
I don't even know where to start (assuming the article is reasonably accurate).

That an 18 year old has been so conditioned to do whatever anyone tells her is terrible, that so-called mature adults can't think for themselves is terrible, that given an excuse adults will do things they know they shouldn't do is terrible.

I was trained or taught to question authority from a young age and had it instilled in me that I am responsible for my actions so I know there is no way I would have participated in something like this as either the victim or the tormentors so saying that we are a social animal and instinctively obey authority is not any type of excuse. For goodness sake we manage to train our offspring to use toilets, not to spit in the street and a thousand other "contra-instinctive" behaviours - training a kid to think for themselves is no different.

Sorry for the ramble but the article just has my head reeling with all the contradictory and conflicting crap the tormentors came out with to justify actions they knew at the time to be wrong.
 
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