Thermal
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OK, I'll bite. I have not seen this evidence presented. Would you be so kind?
“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”
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OK, I'll bite. I have not seen this evidence presented. Would you be so kind?
TJM
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Weighted gloves or taking a swing at the guy?
Weighted glove? Sure. Looks like it to me.
Here we see the BlockTard in her "Deer in the headlights" moment as she's about to be bulldozed by the TrumpTard.
Glove on her hand looks like a weighted boxing glove, much like this one:
Taking a swing at the guy? No. Once she decided to jump into the fray, she had no chance:
Clearly out of her league. Someone should tell her that when being assaulted by a large on-rushing attacker, it's a good idea to keep one's eyes open if self-defense is the goal.
I don't know what you're looking for, we have young Louise boasting about going off to collect some scalps and the wording in the gofundme that talks about taking a stand against "the grizzly display of violent chauvinism"
It's pretty straightforward, really.
As to nazi guy...take a look at frame 18 in this slideshow. Here we can see our heroine holding a bottle in what appears to be the seconds before the punch to the head. Kind of curious, don't you think ? She claims she left early in the morning and drove up to Berkley and "everything happened "immediately when we got there" YouTube link. Maybe a little fortification for the upcoming scalping ?
I'd really hate to think she was throwing bottles.
Thermal
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Oh, I'll buy that it was a weighted glove. But imma call BS that it made the slightest difference in her combat prowess. You could have put a baseball bat in her hands and she would likely have met with the same fate.
What I want to see is evidence that she actually initiated violence, as opposed to being attacked by a white supremacist marcher, as the video shows. The narrative being posted seems to hang on the assumption that the bad ol' protesters viciously attacked and the wholesome Trump supporters just protected their little ol' innocent selves.
Thermal
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Young Louise can post whatever boasting she pleases (pretty sure scalping refers to knocking off and stealing red MAGA hats, btw). That does not give a white supremacist the right to attack her. I find that pretty straightforward, really.
Good catch on the pic, it does look like she is holding a bottle. Doesn't look like it was thrown or broken, though, so very provisionally I would assume that it was, as you say, a nerve tonic rather than projectile.
And I guess it was before the punch to the head, but look closely at that still. Who appears to be the aggressor? Is this plausible: she is drinking up some nerve when Cap'n Master Race attacks. Could the pic simply show her getting assaulted and battered? Or must she surely have started it, beyond any reasonable doubt? Serious question.
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From Occupy dot com, an article relevant to this discussion, and one particular paragraph that stuck out to me:
Progressive activism has thus moved, by virtue of its failure or refusal to police bad actions, from the principles of Henry Wallace to those of Stalin or Trotsky. Should this seem hyperbolic as a statement or declaration, one need only look at the philosophical and ideological inspirations to so many Antifa or Anarcho-communist activists. Awash in 20th century Marxist doctrine, the presence of Antifa, and the left’s tolerance of them within their ranks, stands as a rejection of the civil enlightenment values liberals and progressives once stood for, and a slow embrace of the authoritarian orthodoxy which throughout the 20th century so often gave the left its bad name to begin with.
http://www.occupy.com/article/letter-american-left-antifa-not-your-friend#sthash.9SHErsQ9.dpbs
Progressive activism has thus moved, by virtue of its failure or refusal to police bad actions, from the principles of Henry Wallace to those of Stalin or Trotsky. Should this seem hyperbolic as a statement or declaration, one need only look at the philosophical and ideological inspirations to so many Antifa or Anarcho-communist activists. Awash in 20th century Marxist doctrine, the presence of Antifa, and the left’s tolerance of them within their ranks, stands as a rejection of the civil enlightenment values liberals and progressives once stood for, and a slow embrace of the authoritarian orthodoxy which throughout the 20th century so often gave the left its bad name to begin with.
http://www.occupy.com/article/letter-american-left-antifa-not-your-friend#sthash.9SHErsQ9.dpbs
That's a pretty creative interpretation of scalping, props for that but I'm not buying it. It's a clear outright statement expressing a desire to commit horrific violence.
It was defiantly before the punch, she still has her hat on and the bandanna covering her face. I'd say the person holding the deadly weapon is the aggressor. Look at the way she's holding the bottle, with her thumb around the base of the neck. That's a pretty awkward position to slug the last few drops of your liquid courage but a very effective grip for throwing or hitting with.
Nazi dude saw her in attack position with the bottle, gave her a shove which dislodged the bottle, hat and scarf and when she came back at him in a fit of (drunken? ) rage....pow ! straight to the moon.
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Given a choice between that and literally removing the hairy skin from the head, I think Occam's Razor favors the former.
I didn't see this bottle, but may have overlooked it. Even still, Nazi dude picked a little girl as a target, typical.
I've been looking over the Facebook page of the Oak Roots Collective she claimed to be a part of:
https://www.facebook.com/OakRootsCollective/?ref=page_internal&hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE
Both sides equally evil, IMHO.
Thermal
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I have heard knocking off a rivals hat and keeping it as a trophy called scalping since at least the '90s. Admittedly not all that common an expression (anecdotally, a sports bar nearby has hats behind the bar from patrons who wore the wrong team). Based on her actions in the videos and part of the interview you linked, I still have to say she is no bad-ass and any bluster about scalping was cheap talk.
Hang on, it looks like a bottle and it looks like she is holding it, but in fairness it may not be. Holding a bottle, especially if imbibing, is not brandishing a deadly weapon.
True enough. But if a larger, stronger, and very aggressive white supremacist charged you, might you use whatever was at your disposal to protect yourself from his violent attack, even turning your nerve tonic bottle into an impromptu weapon? I don't see how this is so summarily ruled out. The photos and vids are consistent in showing him as the attacker.
That is possible. But the 'attack position' and 'coming back at him' are add-ons, not actually seen. All that is actually seen is the white supremacist in full-on attack mode. I find it difficult to add on the extra acts needed to frame her as the aggressor, in the absence of anything more substantial.
TJM
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Obviously. As I said, out of her league.
LOL.
She didn't have to actually initiate anything. She showed up to a gang fight dressed as a combatant. She sought out the ****, she got caught up in the ****, and the **** got real. Real fast.
It's that simple.
She's an idiot.
Thermal
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Yes, this one was for sure mutual street brawling. But my point is that there is a subtext in a lot of posts here that the protesters are the bad guys. That's why I want to see the assumption supported that the antifa started anything, as opposed to both sides throwing down by consensus. If it is mutual, why demonize the protestors?
ETA: and champion the marchers as the Guardians of Freedom?
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OK...maybe I used an extra adjective. I didn't actually mean scalping in the literal sense and any further explanation on the origin of the term is covered in the facebook link you posted.
As to the bottle....that's also covered in your link with the added bonus that antifa is claiming the bottle is photoshopped in by the alt-right. I sourced my copy from Reuters specifically to avoid having to entertain such absurd claims but maybe antifa means Reuters when they say alt-right.
You won't be getting an argument from me on that.
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Sorry but I don't think there is a reason to prove antifa 'started' the aggression. If KKK members showed up at a black lives matter rally, and a brawl ensued, I wouldn't be asking who started the aggression.(no, I am not equating the two groups) It is not like antifa is known for their peaceful protests and friendly demeanor to opposing groups. Had it been a young Republicans group from the local college, I would be more inclined to view the situation differently. Personal bias I guess.
As for the girl, she was in the fray of the fights in photo 15 from that slideshow, and as pointed out in photo 18 involved in another altercation, and then the one in which she was punched. You can argue his punch was excessive for sure, but it doesn't seem like she just found herself all of a sudden in a bad situation. She put herself there repeatedly. And her interview shows she is blatantly lying, so not much sympathy from me.
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Are people really supporting our little Anti-FreeAssembly Princess?
She clearly is wearing weighted Sap gloves, which are illegal in California.
She went to the Trump march with the intent to violently disrupt it, and got exactly what she should have expected.
The fact that she went to get into a fight and then complains she got into a fight is ridiculous.
She clearly is wearing weighted Sap gloves, which are illegal in California.
She went to the Trump march with the intent to violently disrupt it, and got exactly what she should have expected.
The fact that she went to get into a fight and then complains she got into a fight is ridiculous.
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You heard that eh ? You heard that scalping was the "barf out, gag me with a spoon" equivalent of stealing someone's hat. That kind of stretching would impress even Mr. Fantastic.
No, dude, it was a bottle not even antifa is trying to claim it was anything else. She was holding it. Download the Reuters pick, zoom in on it but if you want to pass it off as something like a paper mâché sculpture that she picked up at the nearby farmers market, you're more than welcome to have at 'er.
So now it is a bottle. Good, we're making progress. So is it your position that she just innocently showed up at a gang fight, wearing her gang colours and was quietly standing there getting drunk when, for no reason at all, she was violently attacked by Captain Master Race ? If it is, I'm wondering why she didn't say that in the interview.
We're playing connect the dots here and working with what we got. Most of are following the numbers and coming up with the correct picture however all of this "colouring outside the lines" and not following the intended instructions are resulting in a picture that rather abstract and with a meaning that's only evident to the artist.
TJM
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Both sides are the "bad guy" in this case.
The protestors are the bigger idiots, IMO.
I do recognize the protestors rights to assemble and free speech, but that isn't what they're about. They're about dressing up like "anarchists" and stirring it up with another bunch idiots. The protestors in this case control their own fate.
I also recognize that there comes a time when one has to stand up for their beliefs and convictions, but you can't fight stupid with stupid. It just doesn't work.
Or as the saying goes; Never wrestle a pig. You just get dirty and the pig likes it.
Very applicable in this case.
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It seems as if you are consistently on the side of the antifa crowd. In several threads so far, you've taken the position that it was the Trump supporters who started it, or it was "mutual". At no point have I seen you give any credence to the suggestion that it might be the anti-protesters who instigated the situation.
Is this a true interpretation of your perspective, or have I mis-inferred your position?
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You heard that eh ? You heard that scalping was the "barf out, gag me with a spoon" equivalent of stealing someone's hat. That kind of stretching would impress even Mr. Fantastic.
It very could well be. Some squats will give you free beer for fascists' hats or flags, there's nothing unusual about that. Taking their flags is a bit of a tradition.