Emily's Cat
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Clearly there's no bias on your part, hmm?
“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”
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Clearly there's no bias on your part, hmm?
Emily's Cat
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Given that in this and other threads, you've taken the position that you find preemptive violence against certain beliefs to be acceptable, and believe it should be sufficient to excuse some of those violent actors from the law, yes, I am under the impression that you support the rioters.
In regards to your now repeated "goodthink" comments... you seem to be willfully overlooking that fact that some people are using violence and aggression in an attempt to control beliefs - they're trying to intimidate other people into not thinking things that they (the intimidators) have deemed unacceptable thoughts. Maybe you should go back and review the basis of "goodthink" before you bury yourself in an argument that doesn't support you.
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Mycroft
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I'm pretty sure that was meant tongue-in-cheek.
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feel free to defend these accusations of "antisocial" without empty rhetorical appeals to emotion.caveman1917
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Really? That's amazing, I eagerly await your evidence for this.
Thermal
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What exactly was the empty rhetoric, appeal to emotion, or antisocial behavior of the Orange county protesters? According to reports linked upthread, ten or twelve protesters formed the Wall of DoomTM and were promptly shoved out of the way (assaulted and battered) by the pro-Trump marchers. Another pro-Trump marcher attacked a journalist and a protestor sprayed him with pepper spray to defend against his violence. I guess you mean the pro-Trump marchers' empty rhetoric and antisocial behavior?
Thermal
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Oh, you pro-underage-independent-contractor advocates are all the same. Can't you see the insidious nature of these adolescent bourgeoisie? Hurling their Lugenpresse propaganda on the porch everyday like a Molotov? I would have taken mine out long ago if not that the vile little creature of the night gets up before me. One day, capitalist swine...one day...
Thermal
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Then you have forgotten to read this and other threads.
Bravo, you are absolutely right. The pro-Trump marchers indeed used violence and aggression to intimidate and try to control the thoughts of the protesters. You amassed insight on that one like a greedy, entrepreneurial paperboy hoarding his untaxed tips.
Emily's Cat
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I was addressing your empty rhetoric and appeal to emotion. Specifically... "Goodthink", "advancing fascism", etc.
"Odd" is one way to put it.
Agreed. Using "force" would include deliberately blocking someones path whether you touch them or not. "Force" was mentioned as being part of the definition of battery, I believe. Deliberately block my path on the sidewalk and see how long it takes for me to push through you.
The "wall" people were looking for exactly what they got - a physical confrontation that they could try and exploit in the media. They are, once again, the agitators. They are the soccer players who roll on the ground after tripping over their own shoelaces, hoping for a penalty.
I guess I love banging my head against walls.
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Mycroft
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an·ti·so·cial
/ˌan(t)ēˈsōSHəl,ˌanˌtīˈsōSHəl/
adjective
adjective: antisocial; adjective: anti-social
1. Contrary to the laws and customs of society; devoid of or antagonistic to sociable instincts or practices.
TJM
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Indeed.
In what I'll call BlocTards Vs. TrumpTards: Huntington Beach Edition, You can clearly see who the instigators are. Should the TrumpTards have kept cooler heads and taken the high road? Sure, but They're TrumpTards who've been exposed the media hype and as such are ready to fight at the slightest provocation. Good thing the BlocTards didn't disappoint. In this pic we see a person who I'll call BlocTard #1, retaliating against a Trumptard after their wall was breached. This led to the first scuffle where the TrumpTard Event Organizer was pepper sprayed.
As the second scuffle starts to develop, we see BlocTard #2, pepper spray already in hand, moving into position.
Back to BlocTard #1 (center left with red garment in hand), having struck one TrumpTard, is ready to have a go at another, this time wisely picking one roughly twice her size.
Notice BlocTard #3 entering the frame at foreground left, pepper spray in hand. BlocTard #2 is still holding station in the background.
BlocTard #1 strikes the TrumpTard as BlocTard #3 (foreground) prepares to spray.
Predictably, BlocTard #1 is knocked on her ass.
With BlocTard #1 on her ass and the TrumpTard moving off:
And a second TrumpTard reigning in his colleague:
BlocTards #2 and #3 strike.
No need to show the outcome, which we know has BlocTard #3 tackled and released while BlocTard #2 attempting an escape only to be clotheslined and subjected to a barrage of girly punches at the hands of another TrumpTard.
Preponderance of the evidence shows:
While it's true the TrumpTards did in fact push through the BlocTard wall and in doing so they very likely initiated hostilities, the record shows that the BlocTards acted in retaliation rather than in self defense. This is confirmed by the actions of BlocTard #1, who is seen as the aggressor at least twice during the incident. Additionally it is noted that BlocTards #2 and #3, who weren't physically engaged with any TrumpTard, used their pepper spray in retaliation for BlocTard #1 getting knocked on her ass. This I believe is an illegal use of pepper spray under California law.
OC authorities filed no charges, FWIW.
Verdict:
Everyone's a 'tard here, especially me for posting this **** like it'll make a flying **** of a difference.
Thermal
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Do you have a link for the vid that you pulled the stills from? I found the first (ANTIFA rocked), but not the second. Your narrative contains quite a bit of info not pictured, for instance that the protesters were retaliating and that these events were related to the Wall of Doom (they took place at different times and places). From what I can see, the stills are from the immediate aftermath of the pro-Trump attack that ended in the pepper spraying.
TJM
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Sure.
The grabs are from the video you link to in this post:
Which was a direct consequence and entirely related to the provocation by the BlocTard's attempt to interfere with the TrumpTard's rally. The Trumptards, their feeble little egos fueled up on media fed BS like the wannabe "anarchist" attack at UC Berkeley, were spoiling for a fight and the BlocTards willingly obliged simply by showing up.
Nobody can claim self defense here and there was aggression on both sides especially when we can see BlocTard #1 going out of her way to slap two people and the illegal use of pepper spray that followed in retaliation.
They're all a bunch of idiots.
Thermal
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Thanks, thought it might be but needed clarification to further comment.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...where did you get the hilited? The OCWeekly video clearly (and I mean clearly) captures the preceding events. The pro-Trump marcher (using your nomenclature, let's call him Trumptard 0) is filmed calmly walking up to a photographer and attacking him, then turning his attack on a protester, who could easily claim he was acting in defense of the photographer. The other Blocktards pepper spray, evidently in defense against the attacks of Trumptard 0.
This is important: nowhere in the reporting or videos is it claimed that this was retaliatory, and the full video and reporting consistently show defense against Trumptard 0.
You somehow claim it was in retaliation for The Menacing Wall of DoomTM. Reporting on the MWoD is, from Mercury:
Mercury News said:
Note that reporting does not say when or where the MWoD took place, or which Blocktards were involved, and certainly nothing about the retaliatory motivations your narrative relies on.
Are you relying on other reporting here that asserts that the Blocktards who made the MWoD are the same as the pepper sprayers, or even knew about the MWoD (plausibly another group and out of sight of the peppers), and most importantly, that they were motivated by retaliation as opposed to defense, as the OCWeekly video shows?
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The peppers can absolutely claim justifiable defense of another, using Cali-legal spray. Yes, one Blocktard slapped a Trumptard, and I'm pretty sure there was some of that going around on both sides (after all, the opening battery may well have been the Trumptards shoving through the Blocktards). The use of pepper spray is in no sense illegal when used in defense of another, here defending against Trumptard 0.
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But it was informative.
And somewhat amusing.
A pox on both their houses.
Maybe it all would have worked out better if someone had just brought some Pepsi.
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Maybe it all would have worked out better if someone had just brought some Pepsi.
Are you crazy? Do you know how many people died in the last Cola War?
Belz...
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Are you crazy? Do you know how many people died in the last Cola War?
On the fronts or in the Pepsico internment camps?
Ziggurat
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Actually, more people died in the Royal Crown famine, but it didn't get much press, and there were so few survivors the memorials aren't big.
TJM
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Well if I'm wrong about it being related to the wall o' doom then I stand corrected but my point still stands and that is both sides are idiots.
Sorry, no. In California you're allowed to use pepper spray ONLY for SELF defense. You're not allowed to use it in defense of others. The only legal use observed in the OC video was when BlocTard #2 was pinned down on the beach and being beaten by the Trumptard. Everything else was illegal and the BlocTards doing the spraying are lucky they weren't brought up on charges.