“This is what tolerance looks like at UC Berkeley”

[The Big Dog]

Ok, fair enough. I see what you mean, but I didn't intend it that way. I was trying to underscore that you were assuming she was the aggressor because she had a deadly weapon, and that damning assumption hung on some tenuous evidence. I agree that it was very likely a bottle, but not that it drops the gavel on her being the vicious attacker and Cap'n Whitey being the innocent and noble defender.



Again, fair enough. No, I don't think she was innocently enjoying an early refreshment and was unexpectedly attacked. I posted more than once that I think this was a mutual street brawl and none wore halos. But I see post after post about the bad old leftists, and the nazis are only criticized in passing ('oh, yeah, the marchers were also kind of wrong'). FFS, they imported bikers and freaking militias for this. Why do you (and others) not show equal contempt and criticism for them? Where is your outrage at the clear photos of neo-nazis actually attacking protesters?



Do you think it is completely implausible that she was holding the bottle that way because a white supremacist was attacking her?

Is this a Poe? Why in the hell do you think she had a large glass bottle in her hand in the first place??

 

[Thermal]

Couldn't I also argue that every time a post goes up defending the violent actions of leftist anarchist's due to who they are disagreeing with, their actions are being normalized more?

I think I have the capacity to hold both groups negative actions in contempt, without either negative action becoming normalized. I have faith that others do too.

Good to hear. But what I am reading (not referring to you) is post after post condemning the anarchists/antifa as being the problem. Breeze through the thread. Look like balanced condemnation to you? Multiple pics and vids are posted showing clear aggression by the pro-Trumpers. Nary a peep about them. But antifa walked over a plastic fence (with no one on the other side yet)...now there is real evidence of violence.

 

[The Big Dog]

Good to hear. But what I am reading (not referring to you) is post after post condemning the anarchists/antifa as being the problem. Breeze through the thread. Look like balanced condemnation to you? Multiple pics and vids are posted showing clear aggression by the pro-Trumpers. Nary a peep about them. But antifa walked over a plastic fence (with no one on the other side yet)...now there is real evidence of violence.

Well except for the numerous photos of anti free assmbly throwing bottles and cold cocking a guy with a huge bike lock.

 

[Ziggurat]

. But I see post after post about the bad old leftists, and the nazis are only criticized in passing ('oh, yeah, the marchers were also kind of wrong'). FFS, they imported bikers and freaking militias for this. Why do you (and others) not show equal contempt and criticism for them? Where is your outrage at the clear photos of neo-nazis actually attacking protesters?

I don't speak for anyone else, but I'll tell you why the alt-right concern me less: they have yet to shut down any left-wing speakers on any campus (or other venue).

If that starts happening with anything like the regularity that the ctrl-left shuts down conservatives, I'll consider them just as much of a threat.

 

[Thermal]

Is this a Poe? Why in the hell do you think she had a large glass bottle in her hand in the first place??

Stout had suggested she may have been drinking, possibly to get up her nerve. I tend to agree, as there was no reports of her throwing bottles, and the one she has was not broken (Reuters was right there, seems like they would have noted that?).

But even if she was planning to use it, offensively or defensively, that still does not justify the nazi battery unless she was actually doing something. No evidence has been shown that she was. Evidence has been shown that she was violently attacked by a white supremacist.

 

[phiwum]

Do you think it only looks that way?

No, I think that there is some liberal bias among professors. I don't know how much.

But traditionally, students were exposed to all viewpoints, partly by the invitation of conservatives (and politicians of other stripes). These protests threaten that tradition.

 

[Thermal]

Well except for the numerous photos of anti free assmbly throwing bottles and cold cocking a guy with a huge bike lock.

Great example! You have shown perfectly how you only condemn the protesters and have not an unkind thought for the aggressive white supremacists. Well done!

 

[phiwum]

I don't speak for anyone else, but I'll tell you why the alt-right concern me less: they have yet to shut down any left-wing speakers on any campus (or other venue).

If that starts happening with anything like the regularity that the ctrl-left shuts down conservatives, I'll consider them just as much of a threat.

You know that alt-right really isn't known for attending college, right?

 

[Matthew Best]

University of California Berkeley just cancelled an Ann Coulter speech, because of the violence of the anti-Free speech Black Bloc scum and and the Anti-FirstAmendement cretins.

there are your real Facists.

Admittedly she does have a horrible face.

 

[Thermal]

I don't speak for anyone else, but I'll tell you why the alt-right concern me less: they have yet to shut down any left-wing speakers on any campus (or other venue).

If that starts happening with anything like the regularity that the ctrl-left shuts down conservatives, I'll consider them just as much of a threat.

A good point, but two caveats: One, the nazis have their candidate in the Oval Office, and enjoying widespread power for the first time in a long time. They simply don't need to shut anyone else down. Second, who on the left compares with Milo, in terms of moral outrage? The left is usually criticized for being too soft, no?

 

[Stout]

Ok, fair enough. I see what you mean, but I didn't intend it that way. I was trying to underscore that you were assuming she was the aggressor because she had a deadly weapon, and that damning assumption hung on some tenuous evidence. I agree that it was very likely a bottle, but not that it drops the gavel on her being the vicious attacker and Cap'n Whitey being the innocent and noble defender.

I understand, you were trying to create reasonable doubt. There was very little room for that here (wrt the presence of the bottle ) considering the picture came from what most people would consider a reliable source.

Again, fair enough. No, I don't think she was innocently enjoying an early refreshment and was unexpectedly attacked. I posted more than once that I think this was a mutual street brawl and none wore halos. But I see post after post about the bad old leftists, and the nazis are only criticized in passing ('oh, yeah, the marchers were also kind of wrong'). FFS, they imported bikers and freaking militias for this. Why do you (and others) not show equal contempt and criticism for them? Where is your outrage at the clear photos of neo-nazis actually attacking protesters?

The "bad old leftists" posts are coming because the bad old leftists attacked someone else's event because they didn't think it should happen. You'd be reading anti fundy posts if a group of fundies decided to attack a gay pride parade because they didn't think it should be allowed to happen. As noted upthread, it's a freedom of speech and a freedom of assembly issue.

So what have we got. One confirmed nazi guy, a couple more who may, or may not, have been mugging for the camera but let's call it three. Now let's express those three as a percentage of the total number of people present at the freedom of speech rally.........and we've got a bunch of regular conservative folks with the odd douchbag thrown in. Antifa made no such distinctions and attacked the entire group.

Do you think it is completely implausible that she was holding the bottle that way because a white supremacist was attacking her?

No. As she said in her interview "she just got there" and her choices were fight or flight. She chose fight. Hey, I wonder if breaking a bottle over someone's head is what she meant by "scalping" ? That nazi guy would have made a nice prize and her activist cred would have gone through the roof had she landed a bottle blow on him.

No such luck though, he disarmed her and won the fight and now she has to resort to playing the weak woman card ( see kiwifarms link )

HEY LOUISE ! , Katheryn Winnick would like a word with you.

 

[The Big Dog]

Great example! You have shown perfectly how you only condemn the protesters and have not an unkind thought for the aggressive white supremacists. Well done!

You just called the black bloc scum protesters?

Protesters.

They came to do violence with m80s, sap gloves, bottles, and you are their apologist.

Oh yeah, a bike lock too.

They despise the first amendment.

 

[Thermal]

I understand, you were trying to create reasonable doubt. There was very little room for that here (wrt the presence of the bottle ) considering the picture came from what most people would consider a reliable source.

Agreed, no question on Reuters as a reliable source. And repeatedly agreed, she held a bottle. Not agreed, that this proves she was the aggressor.

The "bad old leftists" posts are coming because the bad old leftists attacked someone else's event because they didn't think it should happen.

No, the marchers were not the victims. They brought in militia groups and bikers from out of state who boasted that they looked forward to busting heads. This was a planned brawl, not some surprise by the antifa.

As noted upthread, it's a freedom of speech and a freedom of assembly issue.

Agreed. Both sides freely assembled in battle gear. They even had the same speech: Let's get ready to rumble.

So what have we got. One confirmed nazi guy, a couple more who may, or may not, have been mugging for the camera but let's call it three. Now let's express those three as a percentage of the total number of people present at the freedom of speech rally.........and we've got a bunch of regular conservative folks with the odd douchbag thrown in. Antifa made no such distinctions and attacked the entire group.

Militias in body armor. Bikers. Videos of crowds chanting 'Anti-White!' at the protesters. You only count three? And you also claim that antifa attacked the entire group indiscriminately. You know it's coming: source, please.

No. As she said in her interview "she just got there" and her choices were fight or flight. She chose fight. Hey, I wonder if breaking a bottle over someone's head is what she meant by "scalping" ? That nazi guy would have made a nice prize and her activist cred would have gone through the roof had she landed a bottle blow on him.

No such luck though, he disarmed her and won the fight and now she has to resort to playing the weak woman card ( see kiwifarms link )

HEY LOUISE ! , Katheryn Winnick would like a word with you.

Or just as plausibly, he attacked her without direct provocation. There is not enough evidence to come to a decisive conclusion on specifically what happened between them. But don't let that slow ya down.

 

[Thermal]

You just called the black bloc scum protesters?

Protesters.

They have been called protesters for dozens of pages in this thread alone. You're just getting that now?

They came to do violence with m80s, sap gloves, bottles, and you are their apologist.

Oh yeah, a bike lock too.

And the nazis imported militia groups and bikers. Lose the halo, this was a planned battle for both teams. Why are you trying to 'whitewash' the nazis?

They despise the first amendment.

Doubt it. They seem to be freely assembling and expressing quite a bit.

 

[Ziggurat]

A good point, but two caveats: One, the nazis have their candidate in the Oval Office, and enjoying widespread power for the first time in a long time. They simply don't need to shut anyone else down. Second, who on the left compares with Milo, in terms of moral outrage? The left is usually criticized for being too soft, no?

Uh, no. The left isn't soft, it has often been more violent than the right. Trump has plenty of faults but he is no Nazi. The right didn't shut down speakers when it didn't have power, and the left shut speakers down BECAUSE it has power, not because it lacks power. And Milo is no more offensive than actual communists.

 

[Ziggurat]

No, I think that there is some liberal bias among professors. I don't know how much.

No. Not "some". A lot.

 

[The Big Dog]

They have been called protesters for dozens of pages in this thread alone. You're just getting that now?



And the nazis imported militia groups and bikers. Lose the halo, this was a planned battle for both teams. Why are you trying to 'whitewash' the nazis?



Doubt it. They seem to be freely assembling and expressing quite a bit.

And it has been proven without a shred of doubt that the black bloc scum were not protesters, they were an armed mob there to do violence and only violence.

And you call the originals marchers Nazis when it turns out the antifreespeech scum were the real fascists.

Did you see the black bloc scum hit the marcher who was on his knees with a huge bike lock? You are trying to whitewash the black bloc, and are failing miserably.

Donate to Moldylocks, she needs a bath

 

[marplots]

University of California Berkeley just cancelled an Ann Coulter speech, because of the violence of the anti-Free speech Black Bloc scum and and the Anti-FirstAmendement cretins.

there are your real Facists.

She claims it's still gonna happen. According to MSN:
"SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Ann Coulter fired off an angry stream of tweets Wednesday vowing to speak as planned next week at the University of California, Berkeley after campus officials called off the event for security concerns.

"I WILL BE SPEAKING NEXT THURSDAY," the right-wing commentator tweeted, calling the move to cancel her planned event on April 27 a ban on free speech."

 

[baron]

You just called the black bloc scum protesters?

Protesters.

They came to do violence with m80s, sap gloves, bottles, and you are their apologist.

Oh yeah, a bike lock too.

They despise the first amendment.

We have some of those in the UK, not many though. They are essentially parasites on society, a coagulation of fascists, anarchists, junkie tramps and drug-addled students who violently oppose free speech and capitalism except when they're claiming their benefits or squatting in somebody else's property using the utilities that somebody else pays for. Half will end up dead with a needle in their arm, the others will be employed by universities or find work with the word 'community' in the job title.

 

[caveman1917]

It's a knee-jerk red herring deployed whenever criticism of your group is made.

So do you or do you not consider Trump himself a "Trumptard"?

Nothing sudden about it. Information is good, knowlege is good, sharing is good.

Uhu.

They're not liberal, at least not in the sense you and I understand the term.

That much is obvious.

These guys are anarchists.

Which guys exactly and how do you know they are anarchists?

They are pro-violence, anti-speech, and given the chance they will more oppressive and violent than any system they want to replace.

Funny because that's probably exactly what they'd say about those guys they were fighting, you know, the fascists.