This is my first post on this forum.

tanabear said:
What magic and fairy tales does the 9/11 Truth Movement believe in? I believe that explosive charges can destroy steel-frame high-rises. Would you consider that belief akin to magic and fairy tales?
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No I do not.

The idea that these same explosive charges don't make the slightest noise nor leave any residue, on the other hand...
 
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I don't think so...... though I haven't seen any of his latest debunking pursuits. Gravy might not realize it, but his work saved countless people from wasting years of their life in pursuit of woo. Man, I get tired insulting truthers with one liners on facebook. It must have taken alot out of him to actually go down there and stand face to face with those meat heads... and to not lose his cool... even more amazing.

I always thought.... you guys who know this stuff inside out. You must shake your head when you see some one like Jesse Ventura spew the same junk that you can so easily rip apart.
 
no that was just the ghost of gravy...a poltergeist of anti-woo.

TAM;)
 
1337m4n said:
No I do not.

The idea that these same explosive charges don't make the slightest noise nor leave any residue, on the other hand...
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...and be placed surreptitiously in the buildings with nobody noticing.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Various questions occur to me, but let's start with this one.

Suppose you have your new investigation. Suppose you yourself were given powers to subpoena witnesses, order the production of documents, look at the physical evidence, and so forth, within the normal limits of such inquiries.

Now, remember that if you ask GWB: "Were you behind 9/11?", then he will say "no" even if he was. Same if you ask Silverstein: "Did you blow up WTC7?", or order Rumsfeld to produce his Secret MIHOP Planning Diary. In general, we may assume that if there was a conspiracy, the conspirators will lie and cover it up. It's that sneaky way they have.

So, that being understood, which unanswered questions would you want to ask which people, which unscrutinized documents would you order to be produced, and which unexamined physical evidence would you like to examine, to determine whether 9/11 was MIHOP, al Qaeda, or al Qaeda plus LIHOP? (Note that if the new investigation doesn't resolve this issue for you, it's all a bit of a waste of time and money. What you need are questions that would expose the conspiracy if there was one.)

Thanking you in advance for your suggestions.
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I don't think you'll get an answer this time either.
 
Alareth said:
I propose we leave any new investigation to the only group that could not be biased in any way, the next primitive stone age tribe discovered living in a previously unexplored jungle region.
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...who will conclude that the attacks were carried out by the same angry god who causes bunions and canker sores.
 
I've got a challenge for the truthers: Come up with a plausible scenario that describes how the U.S. government MIGHT have carried out the 9/11 attacks (or let them happen on purpose) that is consistent with all the facts and that is supported by all the "suspicious" stuff you have noticed about the events of that day.

Heck, I'll even let you throw out all the suspicious stuff. Just construct a narrative that is consistent with the events that are accepted by everyone as being true. I will then support a new investigation whole-heartedly, and I think most people here would as well, to determine if this narrative is true or not.

Of course, truthers will respond, "That's why we need a new investigation, so we can find out what to investigate."

Hogwash. Demonstrate that there is something to investigate, THEN we can talk about whether an investigation is warranted.
 
PhantomWolf said:
One person has already been tried and convicted and is rotting in the same jail as the guy that had the inital thought. Six others, including the main planner, and the go between for the planners and hijackers are in US Custody, have been indited and are are awaiting their day in court.

What more do you want?
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You should also mention the 19 people involved who are now dead.
 
Alareth said:
I propose we leave any new investigation to the only group that could not be biased in any way, the next primitive stone age tribe discovered living in a previously unexplored jungle region.
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aggle-rithm said:
...who will conclude that the attacks were carried out by the same angry god who causes bunions and canker sores.
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See?!? NOT Al-Qaeda!!! PWNED!!!
 
dommyboysinjapan said:
Wow, there have been a lot of quick replies. Thank you all for your comments and your welcomes.

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and,
(4) Concerned Citizens- comprised from the following: 9/11 surviving family members, 9/11 first responders in health crisis, actual 9/11 survivors. All concerned citizens from these groups (organization and group membership must first take place) would decide by group election initial nine members for (4) Concerned Citizens.

The initial nine members of (4) Concerned Citizens would choose the twenty-seven members for the other three groups.

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Well, welcome Dommyboys... albeit a bit late.

Bolded part: Just what "organization" or "group" would one have to have "membership" in? Not, per chance, several noteworthy organizations who are 200% TM? A&E? Scholars? The Webfairy Fanclub?

This isn't an investigative commission, it's a kangaroo court. In what sort of democracy do you propose a balanced commission to investigate something, intentionally make it up of independent "teams", but then have one group select ALL the members of the other groups?

What if we took the composition of your group and said we needed to give the power to select all the other members to, say, the judiciary? Do you think you could rally support for that equation?



$30,000,000? The New York City ballot initiative sponsored by the truth movement estimates it'll require two hundred mil.
 
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