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Third Eye Spies

*SIGH*

Psitech has been seen and debunked ages ago. So maybe they hope people will have forgotten their abject failures and lies previously. Here we go...

https://www.skepticreport.com/psi-tech-not-so-smart/
The tale begins…

…with a serious crime: On June 5, 2002, 14-year old Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her bedroom in Salt Lake City, Utah. The search was extensive. The police spent many hours searching for her. They couldn’t find her. Not a trace, no leads, no suspects. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

A company called PSI TECH saw a golden opportunity. PSI TECH claims that, by “utilizing Technical Remote Viewing, an individual can gather information about any person, place, or thing, anywhere in time or space”. On their own initiative, they began a psychic investigation, where they assessed that Elizabeth was killed almost immediately after her abduction.

In his agony, Elizabeth’s uncle, Dave Smart, contacted PSI TECH. He had heard of this company, and was snared by their wild claims. The travesty could begin.

During the months, PSI TECH issued several statements, describing how their work was progressing. They had already announced that Elizabeth was dead, and that she was killed almost immediately after her abduction. As the months went by, they published more material on their website, so everyone could read for themselves how their investigations went. More and more details emerged, not just about Elizabeth’s condition, but also about her abductor and where to locate her body.
Oops…

On March 12th, 2003, Elizabeth Smart was found alive and well. Her captors were arrested. Not a single thing PSI TECH had claimed turned out to be true. From then on, PSI TECH showed their true color.

Yellow.

Almost immediately after Elizabeth was found alive, all material concerning the search for her was removed from the PSI TECH website. Almost. A few, very quick skeptics managed to save some of the material before it was removed. Today, PSI TECH is busy repairing their tainted image with some of the most vile, self-serving crap you will ever read. But, thanks to the quick skeptics, you can read what PSI TECH doesn’t want you to read.
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carlitos said:
Ooh, a banned TED Talk. The TED Talk that they don't want you to see!

Except for the fact that, as literally anyone who follows your link can see, this was not a TED Talk. It was a lecture by someone who claims that they were supposed to be involved in a TEDx event. TEDx is the minor league of TED Talks. Much more local, not nearly the big names of the TED Talk events. And this wasn't even one of those - it was this guy's own talk, coupled with a claim that he was banned by TED or whatever.

It's sad that we missed the chance to hear the eloquence of someone who wrote this:
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The "Talk" was mentioned in passing during the film. Thought I'd share a link. Not familiar with TED! Thanks.
 
MattNelson said:
https://psitech.net/
One reason is PSITECH, founded as a privatized version of the program in 1989, "Technical Remote Viewing" they call it. They were a "Pentagon contractor during the first Gulf war," according to the website.
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Quite aside from the capable debunking posted by Norman Alexander, can you shed some light on their track record in the Gulf?
Did they find any WMDs?
Alternatively, did they spot that there were no WMDs to find?
Did they locate Saddam Hussein, or anyone else on the Deck of Cards?
Did they locate Bin Laden?
Did they uncover any IEDs?

I would put good money on the answer to all these questions being 'no'.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Quite aside from the capable debunking posted by Norman Alexander, can you shed some light on their track record in the Gulf?
Did they find any WMDs?
Alternatively, did they spot that there were no WMDs to find?
Did they locate Saddam Hussein, or anyone else on the Deck of Cards?
Did they locate Bin Laden?
Did they uncover any IEDs?

I would put good money on the answer to all these questions being 'no'.
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In Desert Storm the US already knew where Iraq stored it's chemical weapons, and UNSCOM spent the rest of the decade destroying them...all without the use of psychics.

In 2004 I debated with a friend who works a US intelligence agency over the location of bin Laden. He was arguing that bin Laden was hiding in the tribal areas somewhere loaded with caves he could escape into should US forces show up. I countered that bin Laden was a city-boy whose "cave" at Tora Bora was more comfortable than my apartment, and based on what we knew about him he was more likely living in a house with high walls, and a covered garden with a volleyball court in the back yard. The only thing Abbottabad didn't have was a volleyball court. I'm not psychic, I made my assessment based on 15 years of stories told about bin Laden, and his down-time.

Here's a question for believers:

Are you comfortable with using psychics alone for the targeting of air-strikes on suspected terrorist targets?

Are you comfortable initiating a SWAT Team assault on a suspect based only on the work of a psychic?

Are you comfortable on putting someone in prison based on the sole testimony of a psychic?
 
I don't remember if PSITECH was mentioned in the film. Perhaps this was because of their bad track record, or maybe because their data wasn't available. Being in business for 30 years makes me think they have a product people want to buy.

I'll post some of the best examples of remote viewing operations soon, so you don't have to spend the $4.99 to watch or $9.99 to buy.
 
MattNelson said:
I don't remember if PSITECH was mentioned in the film. Perhaps this was because of their bad track record, or maybe because their data wasn't available. Being in business for 30 years makes me think they have a product people want to buy.

I'll post some of the best examples of remote viewing operations soon, so you don't have to spend the $4.99 to watch or $9.99 to buy.
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People wanting to buy a product by no means indicates that the product works! That often applies even to non-paranormal businesses. Locally we've had a company that has been promising to begin production of a flying car in just a few months. It has been promising this for over 35 years. People have been investing in this company for all that time. No flying car yet...

When you look at paranormal scams the gap between the enthusiasm of the buyers and the absence of functional deliverables becomes even wider and more widespread.

Many people are easily fooled, and most easily fooled by con men offering what their marks wish were true.
 
I must say it's hilarious the evidence I just found for you guys. I'm a vegetarian who eats eggs, so bear with me.

This example of remote viewing comes again from Stanford, not the military. Chronologically, it's a good start. Influentially it's not a good choice, I discover after some due diligence.

It's one of few clips from the film Third Eye Spies on YouTube... posted by the director. Using this link we can skip the random Stanford drawings of Ingo Swann and go to his drawing the classified design of a magnetometer buried under "30 feet" of concrete. The other main claim is that he moved the "unswayable" needle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUW7Spvx9gg#t=1m50s
I'm starting to see the problem. Until we see them happen ourselves, these are claims. The film doesn't give many details at all. We can easily wonder if maybe the scientists figured a way to rig the "superconducting quantum interference device (SQUID)" so they could be successful at something.

Annie Jacobsen (in Phenomena, who unlike the film mentions SQUID specifically) says it was in the basement of the Stanford Varian Physics Hall (p. 131). Apparently there were 9 witnesses including SRI's Hal Puthoff who brought Swann, and a Dr. Arthur Hebard, of the Stanford High Energy Physics Laboratory, Dr. Martin Lee of the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC), and six doctoral candidates. Interestingly from a skeptics perspective Jacobsen says "Puthoff had told Swann what to expect," (p. 132) but when Swann finds out the the magnetometer was (only) 5 feet below, buried in concrete... he got angry and frustrated. He had no effect on the magnetometer for several minutes. Then he asked for paper, began "probing" with his mind, and drew.

Jacobsen writes on p. 133, "he pointed to his drawing and asked, 'Is this the Josephson junction? If so, I think I can see it quite well.'
"As he spoke, the pen on the chart recorder gave a small jerk. 'All eyes went to the machine,' Puthoff recalls. The recording pen stopped and started moving again. Somebody apparently mumbled "Jesus Christ," then they asked him to do it again, so Swann supposedly did. Then Drs. Lee and Hebard signed the chart paper as witnesses. One of the doctoral students allegedly freaked out and left the room.

Jacobsen drives home the point that the design had never been made public... except (ironically):

"The only thing ever written about this magnetometer was that it contained what was called a Josephson junction -- two layers of superconducting material sandwiching a thin layer of non-superconducting material. (The configuration was named for the British theoretical physicist Brian D. Josephson, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1973 and became a vocal proponent of extrasensory perception.)"

The film's narrator says Ingo Swann drew the "classified" design -- as it's shown on the paper signed by Puthoff and the 2 doctors... here in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUW7Spvx9gg#t=2m10s



I don't have good images with which to compare. Here's the junction, but not the full design:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_tunnel_junction
Here's the SQUID:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID
Sorry, but I'm not matching a drawing with anything. The wavy line and its perturbed section came from the SQUID, it seems to imply. However, the drawing was supposed to be made before the needle movement. Maybe the image was superimposed with both. Who knows.


The psychokinesis of disturbing the magnetometer may not be authentic :eye-poppi according to what I just found when looking up the historical list of Russian nukes. I think the time is off, but this requires further discussion. Remember the SQUID was supposed to be able to "sniff out nuclear explosions" according to the film. Maybe not around the world. I don't know the details. It's interesting, at least.



Compare the dates. 6/6/72 on the "Swann-influenced" SQUID chart/drawing and 6/7/72 at 7:28 (AM, adjusting according to Universal Time, feel free to check my work) in Kazakhstan... which is 13 hours ahead. The time of the Swann miracle is unknown, but Jacobsen says that Puthoff and Swann came back several hours later to confirm nothing was wrong with the magnetometer... "that night." But several hours after 6:28 PM? No further disturbances were reported after Swann left. But if they came back "that night" there should have been a disturbance then, if it could sense nuclear explosions in Russia. Maybe a coincidence? The closest U.S. test was June 7, 1972 15:20:00.

From one of the many returns for "Ingo Swann SQUID" on the Internet:
The earliest RV (More accurately Remote Sensing) experiment verified the existence of RV phenomenon related subatomic particles. Legendary RV pioneer Ingo Swann, upon request, sent such subatomic particles into an underground shielded Magnetometer. This kicked off the, (sic) military-involved but never classified, Controlled Remote Viewing Program at Stanford.
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http://the-martyan-chronicles.com/2016/01/18/remote-viewing-god-in-particular/
Never classified?

Another:
The SRI remote viewers were studied by top physicists. Ingo Swann and Uri Geller surprised Nobel laureate Brian Josephson, who first developed the Josephson junction, the basis for measuring biomagnetism. Both of them managed to deflect the SQUID [the needle on the chart recorder] to such a degree that Josephson, like Evan Harris Walker, suggested that physics needs to adopt a new paradigm to incorporate hidden variables and universal intelligence.
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https://jacobsm.com/projfree/the_pentagon_psychic_research.html
I think this source pulled Geller out of thin air. Although urigeller.com has this retelling of the SQUID seance:
https://www.urigeller.com/the-geller-effect/the-state-of-the-art/
"He then startled the three scientists present, who included the designer of the Squid, by announcing that he could actually see the workings of the instrument. He promptly made a sketch to prove it.
‘Oh my God,’ said one of the scientists. ‘That’s the thing I just took out a patent on. Nobody is supposed to know about that.’ Then followed a period in which ‘the frequency of the oscillation doubled for about thirty seconds’, as Puthoff described it. This is plainly visible on the chart recording published in Mind-Reach, the section in question being signed by Swann, Puthoff and physicist Dr Martin J. Lee."
I can't find the Mind-Reach image.

..."and that got the attention of the CIA." - "Third Eye Spies"

Puthoff was approached by two men from the CIA who according to Jacobsen p. 135 had "'a copy of my magnetometer experiment report' in hand." They wanted him to work with ESP in an official capacity, inviting Swann back for more testing. After many tests involving drawing things that were hidden from Swann, CIA awarded a $49,909 contract for an eight-month research project which was classified secret (p. 136).
 
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MattNelson said:
It's one of few clips from the film Third Eye Spies on YouTube... posted by the director. Using this link we can skip the random Stanford drawings of Ingo Swann and go to his drawing the classified design of a magnetometer buried under "30 feet" of concrete. The other main claim is that he moved the "unswayable" needle.
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Did any of the people involved have any experience in properly designing a remote-viewing test?

If my dentist swears an oath that he detected muons emanating from my armpit, are we supposed to believe him because he has a doctorate in teeth?

Post examples of properly controlled, falsifiable, repeatable experiments whose terms of success have been defined beforehand. Otherwise, cool story, bro.
 
Loss Leader said:
Post examples of properly controlled, falsifiable, repeatable experiments whose terms of success have been defined beforehand. Otherwise, cool story, bro.
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Leeches and mercury cured all sorts of ailments before science tested them properly.

The scientific method exists for a reason.
 
I like 'The men who stare at goats' better.

OP maybe you can answer this one, It always seems to get avoided. Can I get pink eye in my 3rd eye?
 
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Nay_Sayer said:
Hmm. But I'm safe right? I have my house triple layered in aluminum foil.
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No, the orbital lasers will burn right through that in a second. You need my patented Brainimaginator 3000, which you can buy from my website for the low low price of $452.74.
 
Have you heard of confirmation bias and subjective validation, MattNelson? These well known and well understood cognitive biases are the reason why the scientific method had to be invented.

Here's an article on remote viewing by someone who understands this.

A test protocol which does not take these biases into account is worthless, and none of the anecdotes you've so far posted qualify.

In order to convince sceptics to take claims for remote viewing seriously scientific evidence for its accuracy - properly designed, blinded tests with statistically significant results - needs to be produced. No such evidence exists, which is why the sceptics here are unimpressed with your anecdotes.
 
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