Thermate + steel having the same characteristic corrosion as found by Barnett et al?

[ImANiceGuy]

It's not surprising. Both groups are equally insane, but Jones deals in esoterics. He dresses up his conclusions with enough pseudo-science to fool the average truther, and even most debunkers don't have the requisite education to point out his errors. I guess, the no-planers provide crazy that's accessible for everyone, while Jones requires some special knowledge of materials science.

very well said; this is what I was trying to say (minus the both sides being insane bit, I think just the no-planers qualify as literally insane)

 

[funk de fino]

It's utterly amazing how few replies this thread has produced, yet the "no planer", Calling All Boxcutters, thread is overflowing with replies.

Professor Jones; the insane snake-oil salesman. I'm sure he's just talking ◊◊◊◊ and none of what he is saying is true...

But wait, didn't they find that one piece of strangely corroded steel at WTC7? Was it the only one of it's kind in existence, or the only one that was examined?

He is a lying piece of crap. There was one piece from WTC7 and one from one of the Towers. They were both examined. As all the steel was examined by forensic investigators and some pieces put aside for further study, it seems these were the only two pieces with these characteristics. Unless you have evidence otherwise.

 

[T.A.M.]

He is a lying piece of crap. There was one piece from WTC7 and one from one of the Towers. They were both examined. As all the steel was examined by forensic investigators and some pieces put aside for further study, it seems these were the only two pieces with these characteristics. Unless you have evidence otherwise.

like I said...this amazing "new" evidence, in all the 9 years since 9/11, has been sitting there after full analysis by scientists (and no evidence of thermite found, mentioned, discovered, etc...) for the public at large to look at and see.

HOW *********** STUPID ARE OUR 9/11 NWO PLOTTERS TO LEAVE SUCH CRITICAL, DAMNING EVIDENCE AROUND LIKE THAT?????

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

He is a lying piece of crap. There was one piece from WTC7 and one from one of the Towers. They were both examined. As all the steel was examined by forensic investigators and some pieces put aside for further study, it seems these were the only two pieces with these characteristics. Unless you have evidence otherwise.

If every piece of steel was examined by forensic investigators, are you suggesting that they couldn't identify the difference between steel from the towers and those from bldg 7?

 

[funk de fino]

If every piece of steel was examined by forensic investigators, are you suggesting that they couldn't identify the difference between steel from the towers and those from bldg 7?

No, read again.

 

[RedIbis]

No, read again.

I'll rephrase my question,

If, as you say, "all the steel was examined by forensic investigators" were they able to distinguish between steel from the towers and steel from WTC 7?

 

[T.A.M.]

obviously EVERY piece of steel wasn't examined by anyone...that is silly.

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

obviously EVERY piece of steel wasn't examined by anyone...that is silly.

TAM

Ok. Most of it?

 

[Senenmut]

Ok. Most of it?

from the ncstar 1-3c damage and fairlure modes pdf:

"NIST has documented approximately 3 percent of all perimeter columns and 1 percent of all core columns intersecting floors with pre collapse fires. Thus, the preceding forensic analysis does not, and cannot give a picture of tempertures seen by the vast majority of perimeter and core columns."

 

[fourtoe]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think when Funk says forensic investigators he is referring to the investigators who examined it at Fresh Kills, not the investigators of NIST.


When I saw this thread I thought that someone bumped a really old thread and thought, "doesn't this guy know that it is NANOthermite...." But instead Jones is going back to it being thermate?

There is a radio debate with like 5 of the top Truthers vs just one guy, John Brown. One of those Truthers was Jones and he kept on getting on John Brown for talking about thermite instead of nanothermite...why is it no longer nanothermite?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

IIRC it was explosives then hush a boom explosives, then thermite, then thermate, then nano-thermite, then back to explosives only the fuses were nano-thermite and now they're back to thermite again?

 

[Senenmut]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think when Funk says forensic investigators he is referring to the investigators who examined it at Fresh Kills, not the investigators of NIST.

its not like those people had microscopes and lab equipment to test it like nist and fema did...

When I saw this thread I thought that someone bumped a really old thread and thought, "doesn't this guy know that it is NANOthermite...." But instead Jones is going back to it being thermate?

if i remember right, i think prof jones thinks the nanothermite was a trigger. whats interesting is thermate having the same characteristic corrosion as found by barnett et al.

There is a radio debate with like 5 of the top Truthers vs just one guy, John Brown. One of those Truthers was Jones and he kept on getting on John Brown for talking about thermite instead of nanothermite...why is it no longer nanothermite?

havent you read the paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe? its been discused here a million times. i also remember reading about more experiments they are doing so maybe they can clear up a few issues.

 

[beachnut]

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havent you read the paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe? its been discused here a million times. i also remember reading about more experiments they are doing so maybe they can clear up a few issues.

The paper is a fraud. No thermite was found; the test they did proved it was not thermite you failed to comprehend the paper and understand it was a fraud to fool people like you.

 

[fourtoe]

its not like those people had microscopes and lab equipment to test it like nist and fema did...

Is this for sure? I never heard about the extent of that forensic investigation so I simply just don't know. I do know that they had a crapload of bomb-sniffing dogs (who are trained to find in incendiaries) going all up on that WTC steel.

if i remember right, i think prof jones thinks the nanothermite was a trigger. whats interesting is thermate having the same characteristic corrosion as found by barnett et al.

So nanothermite is not being replaced by thermate? Both are being used is what he is leaning to now?

havent you read the paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe? its been discused here a million times. i also remember reading about more experiments they are doing so maybe they can clear up a few issues.

Parts of it, a while back. I agree that I should give it a good look over...

 

[BigAl]

its not like those people had microscopes and lab equipment to test it like nist and fema did...

You don't need a microscope to see the effects of man-made explosives and therm-anything.

 

[T.A.M.]

Ok. Most of it?

I am not sure. For starters, who were the "Forensic" investigators. I mean there were a lot of people down there looking into things. Were the FEMA people with forensics, or were these the FBI people.

Once that is determined, then what is the source we are using to determine HOW MUCH steel they examined. Then we need to define what is meant by examined. Do we mean the metal was looked at, and based on gross inspection notes were made, or was all the steel that was inspected analyzed in other ways.

See all these questions are important to your discussion, but short of finding out who the "Forensic Investigators" were, and either (A) asking them, or (B) having access to all of their notes and data, you will not know.

TAM

 

[ImANiceGuy]

How is that possible? Thermate reacts at far too high a temperature to leave behind a eutectic formation; it would've rendered the steel itself molten, not merely created iron oxide/iron sulfide species encapsulating unmolten iron. Has Jones not read Biederman, Sisson, and Barnett's work?

Elmondo, could you please elaborate upon this point in laymans terms. Please see post #11 for my original follow-up questions...Thanks!

 

[Edx]

So nanothermite is not being replaced by thermate? Both are being used is what he is leaning to now?

I heard that too.

He has also gone back and forth between saying nano thermite was painted onto the steel which he claims becomes a "high explosive' when it dries (explosive paint literally) and saying it was matches/fuses for traditional explosives.

I cant remember how he claimed thermate was used, but presumably if he is now claiming thermate was painted on as well I guess? Who knows.

 

[grandmastershek]

frigging Jones. I guess he chose to ignore the part of the FEMA analysis were it gave the temps the sample was exposed to; which were far below thermite, thermate, superduperthermite, whatyoutalkingboutwillismite.

 

[ImANiceGuy]

frigging Jones. I guess he chose to ignore the part of the FEMA analysis were it gave the temps the sample was exposed to; which were far below thermite, thermate, superduperthermite, whatyoutalkingboutwillismite.

Too soon....too soon....