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There Will be Blood: Boston's Straight Pride Parade.

Nazis are not limited to the USA, we have them in this country as well.


No, that's not right, you're violating American Exceptionalism. Only Americans have Nazis. We have all the Nazis, the, yeah, the best Nazis. Other countries can only wish they had Nazis like ours, they're really great...

Yeah, but that's only because you used logic to reach that conclusion. :D


Logic has no place in politics.
 
No, that's not right, you're violating American Exceptionalism. Only Americans have Nazis. We have all the Nazis, the, yeah, the best Nazis. Other countries can only wish they had Nazis like ours, they're really great...




Logic has no place in politics.

Or, perhaps, in New Zealand?
 
Dude, my point is to not paint everyone with the same brush. They are not nearly so homogeneous as you and others think.

Some are genuinely bad news. Some are posers. Posers are a real thing. People like Darat equate the posers with the synagogue shooter. That's doing a disservice to the whole discussion. And it will shut down all possible communication to marginalize a dumb kid as a genocidal murderer. Keep it in perspective or no one wins.


Everyone has to start somewhere.

The very essence of being a "poser" is admiration for what is being posed. It's the first step on the journey.

Why do you seem to imply it is one they would not continue if given the opportunity and support by others of similar mien? They are demonstrating that inclination already.

These "posers" you dismiss so facilely are different only in degree from the more dedicated bigots they wish to emulate. That isn't as reassuring as you appear to believe it is.
 
I've only skimmed the thread, was there blood?

Apparently based on a stupid wind up about being pro straight march in the US, some posters who don't live in the US think a small group of wannabe Nazi's want to invade their country and kill them because of their lifestyle.
 
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Yep, if history shows anything, it's that the world learns i's lessons about preventing totalitarianism and genocide.

That's why the Holocaust was the last genocide... wait it wasn't?

The US does not control the planet. We barely keep ourselves together. Pol Pots will come and go, as monsters have throughout history.

But we are talking here about the little bitch on the streetcorner, not world leaders. Some posters here equate them. I don't.
 
That must be really nice for you. Which one of the race\cultures\ethnicity do you belong to that were targeted by Nazi's that you claim no longer exist?

...wut?

I said I'm not quaking in my boots about a Jovi Val prick on a streetcorner. You respond by asking...what race/culture....targeted by Nazis...

Nevermind.
 
...wut?

I said I'm not quaking in my boots about a Jovi Val prick on a streetcorner. You respond by asking...what race/culture....targeted by Nazis...

Nevermind.


Must be nice to have all that straight white cismale privilege, and not have to worry about some drunk Proud Boy or Aryan Nations prick and his buddies decide to walk up and kick the **** out of you because you're too black, hispanic, queer, etc. in "his" part of town.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-fbi-hate-crimes-20181113-story.html
https://www.them.us/story/anti-lgbtq-hate-crimes-are-on-the-rise
https://www.adl.org/new-hate-and-old
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...lence-rise-fbi-slow-call-it-domestic-n1039206
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...rose-percent-worldwide-last-year-report-says/
 
I seem to recall much the same being said about the Nazis. Just a bunch of street thugs, nothing to worry about, they couldn't possible gain a significant amount of power.

Until they did.

So you are continuing with this thing about every teenager with a Pepe t-shirt being a genocidal murderer? Sorry, I'm going to be confident that the sky is not falling. Not in that way, anyhow.


So are honest-to-goodness full-blown-neo-Nazis pretending to be poseur and insincere edgelords in order to maintain plausible deniability and create discord in their opponent's ranks.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/daily-stormer-nazi-style-guide_n_5a2ece19e4b0ce3b344492f2

Excerpt:

Yes, you've posted that many times. Many. Times. You've probably given it more reading and publicity than anyone else. But you know that Andrew Anglin cat? He's a schmuck. A nobody giving inane writing advice to nobody. Read the articles on his website: his own submitters do not seem to have read his tripe. Basically, no one on the planet gives him any credibility at all. Except you. Swish that around a bit. To everyone else, he's a nothing, a cockroach at best. To you, he is a powerhouse leader. Why, dude?Why???

If you're treating them as "Posers" and "insincere edgelords", then congratulations, you're playing right along and being a good little useful idiot.

You had me worried for a minute, there. I thought you were interested in honest discussion. But no, here comes the famous luchog insults, firmly closing the door on anything productive. Betcha close with something pointlessly hateful. We'll see.

Regarding your point, though: no. I don't read their tripe so I am not influenced one way or the other. I see what they do, and that suffices for me. Is the Daily Stormer taking over the mainstream media? A place in the Press Corps? Whatever Andrew Annikin was pushing, it didn't work. No one cared. Except you.


My friends and myself having been the target of verbal and physical assaults from "some impotent yepper on the streetcorner" in the past simply for being who were were and looking a certain way, I know better than to dismiss them as not a threat.

Lots to unpack here. First off, you were subject to verbal abuse for being what you are? You ain't the Lone Ranger by anyone's standards. Welcome to the ******* club.

Physical assaults for being who you are and looking a certain way? Again, why do you think you alone should be exempt from that? I've been physically assaulted by every skin color on the freaking palate for one reason or another. Being white in a black sandwich shop. Dating a black girl. Being in the wrong neighborhood. Being a metalhead in college prep classes. Being one of exactly two long haired guys in my entire freaking high school (and we didn't like each other either). Having both skinheads and preppies calling me a n-lover and getting physical over it. Cry me a river, luchog. You're not entitled to better treatment than the rest of us. Some people suck. Always have, always will. Welcome to the human condition.

eta: yes, even the streetcorner yapper can be a physical threat. There's lots of physical threats out there. If you find the keys to Shangri-La where we can all live n harmony singing kumbaya, give me a shout. till then, I'm expecting physical threats from a lot of different people.

Must be nice not to have to worry about that, bless your heart.

Ah, here it comes. Yeah, I've never had to worry about that. You know me so well, oh Wise One. And bless y'all's heart to, darlin. With a chainsaw.

But we've been through this before. Let me try yet again to throw up a Hail Mary:

Hi luchog. I'm Thermal. Hey, I see from your postings here that you have a deep resentment of violent bigots. I hear you, and hate them to the bone myself. But your approach seems to take some schmuck surf nazi and glorify his position, and actually push him away, and further into the fold that we don't want him to embrace any further. Might it make more sense to ridicule him? Fight in the gutter if he wants to fight, but not afford him any more dignity than the gutter rat he is? Why feed into the fascist fantasy?
 
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Must be nice to have all that straight white cismale privilege, and not have to worry about some drunk Proud Boy or Aryan Nations prick and his buddies decide to walk up and kick the **** out of you because you're too black, hispanic, queer, etc. in "his" part of town.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-fbi-hate-crimes-20181113-story.html
https://www.them.us/story/anti-lgbtq-hate-crimes-are-on-the-rise
https://www.adl.org/new-hate-and-old
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...lence-rise-fbi-slow-call-it-domestic-n1039206
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...rose-percent-worldwide-last-year-report-says/

Hi luchog! Oh, yes, here in Jersey I've been thrown out of neighborhoods and shops for being white, been smacked around for inadvertently strolling into gang territory, had the living **** beat out of me on a bus by a black guy who didn't like my blonde ponytail, had skinheads regularly slap me around till I saddled up with some loosely anarchist types (pre calling themselves antifa). Now I'm the white trash in a well-to-do town, and they let me know it. No, you are not the Lone Ranger in unfair treatment. Shove your condescending....bless your heart, luchog.

eta: thanks for those articles (sincerely, thanks). I'm sure you'll take issue with the adl one though; it's titled 'the changing face of white supremacy'. you'll want to get down there and insult them till they acknowledge that nothing has changed at all since 1930's Germany.
 
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Everyone has to start somewhere.

The very essence of being a "poser" is admiration for what is being posed. It's the first step on the journey.

Why do you seem to imply it is one they would not continue if given the opportunity and support by others of similar mien? They are demonstrating that inclination already.

These "posers" you dismiss so facilely are different only in degree from the more dedicated bigots they wish to emulate. That isn't as reassuring as you appear to believe it is.

Fair point. Are you sure though that the posers are going to continue their descent on that continuum? Did Miki Dora, wearing his surf nazi swastika, go on to gas Jews? I don't think they are all on that slippery slope. Unless we push them down it.
 
Why is that? Is it because of the aims, the goals, the actions of ISIS? Of course it is. Nazis should be treated the same way we treat members of ISIS, those that advocate for Nazism, that support Nazis should be treated the same way.
ISIS is recognized as an international terrorist organization by the US Federal Government. The US Federal government does not recognize any international terrorist organization referring to themselves as "Nazis" nor is there any federal criminal offense of "domestic terrorism."
 
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So you are continuing with this thing about every teenager with a Pepe t-shirt being a genocidal murderer? Sorry, I'm going to be confident that the sky is not falling. Not in that way, anyhow.


Got it, disingenuous denialist strawman decorating's definitely your thing. BTW, you forgot "white people are the real victims" this time.

Keep it up, you're doing great.

BTW, you should probably look up the term "useful idiot", because it's actually a real term in politics with a specific meaning. But since you're only interested in reading in insults you can dismiss rather than address actual points being made, I'll leave you to it.

For those who are interested in addressing the points: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336883
 
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Got it, disingenuous denialist strawman decorating's definitely your thing.

Hyperbole, not strawman. Similar, but it doesn't alter the essence of your claim to make it easier to attack.

BTW, you forgot "white people are the real victims" this time.

You're a liar. I never made any such statement, 'this time' or any other.

Keep it up, you're doing great.

BTW, you should probably look up the term "useful idiot", because it's actually a real term in politics with a specific meaning. But since you're only interested in reading in insults you can dismiss rather than address actual points being made, I'll leave you to it.

For those who are interested in addressing the points: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336883

Right. 'Bless your heart', I believe you closed with? It's me reading into things :rolleyes:

Also, sorry about the tone of my last two posts. You flashed me back to skinhead problems from my younger days, and your 'poor me' stories brought the taste of my own blood in my mouth back.

eta: and I tried, yet again, to engage you productively. And you respond, yet again with snottiness. Why in the world post in a discussion when you are only interested in the 'dissing'? There's a whole 'cussion' that could be benificial to both of us, and others.
 
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Apparently based on a stupid wind up about being pro straight march in the US, some posters who don't live in the US think a small group of wannabe Nazi's want to invade their country and kill them because of their lifestyle.
Why are they wannabe Nazis?
 
Please hear me out. Don't just scan the post looking for something to attack.

Actual Nazis were a political force, seeking a fascist state based on 'Aryan' supremacy and seeking world domination. These neo types are a social movement based on hating other groups with no significant other objectives. Yes, they coattail on Trump, and use him as a more socially acceptable rallying point. But they are just a bunch of sniveling bigots. They are not the Reich. They never will be. They are a social movement to be met at street level, not dignified as a legitimate political power. Yes, there are exceptions here and there. But the overwhelming majority are the Richard Spencers, Identity Evropas, and Proud Boys: a bunch of flaccid punks who need their asses kicked.

I think you are being quite naive here.

Yes, the average Nazi is a snivelling idiot. The people running the movement are not. They are very much the inheritors of the National Socialists of the 1920s and 30s, and it is a very big mistake to dismiss them.
 
Yes, observation of their words and actions which do not indicate strict adherence to the Reich. There would be no change spelled out because there was no continuity in the first place.

Different time, different critters. Some similar swag and beliefs.

Please show 21st century direct endorsement of genocide. Not by association with previous generations,if you please

"Gas the ****, race war now!"

Know when that was said?
 
ISIS is recognized as an international terrorist organization by the US Federal Government. The US Federal government does not recognize any international terrorist organization referring to themselves as "Nazis" nor is there any federal criminal offense of "domestic terrorism."


The US Federal government is an international terrorist organization - not just under Trump. It's just rarely recognized.
 
Not a revolution. One was squelched decisively. Another has picked up some of its ideology and symbols. There is no continuity.

Do you guys get so hyper literal if someone is called a cowboy?

It wasn't "squelched decisevly". Nazism survived WWII as an ideology. As an example, one of the parties in the Swedish parliament was founded by a Nazi. That was in the 1980s. He survived WWII, as did his views.

Nazism wasn't killed in WWII. Lots and lots of Nazis were.
 

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