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there is a law inside the alphabet

I am used to being assaulted by the language police, who want me to tell off all the people who break what they feel are immutable laws, and who get very upset with me when I won't take the offenders out at dawn and shoot them. This is my first alphabet police, however.

The thing about phonemes in languages without a written form, is that they may rely on unspoken clues (like sign languages), such as facial expressions and body language, so that coukd ve the case with that supposedly single vowel in that nortwest coast language.
 
alphabetlaw2018 said:
when the water is bogus, we must be honest.
Linguistics is like a baby, and IPA is like a tub of bogus water with stuffs floating inside.
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And again, you’ve developed all this hatred and distrust from a high-speed flyover of two of the world’s languages? I’m not sure you’re actually as honest as you think you are. Honesty generally requires someone to have some knowledge of what one criticizes.
 
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JayUtah said:
...Honesty generally requires someone to have some knowledge of what one criticizes.
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Oh Jay. You were making such good progress there for a while. We were
going to award you a Doctorate in Human Nature. And now look who's
jumped off the train at Tracks' End, Kingdom of Deseret: little Lord
Faint Leroy in his velvet suit and lace collar, stepping daintily around the horse
apples and canting about Honesty. Come the next Commanche raid, he'll
be shrilling, "Play up! Play up and play the game!"

Just an honorary degree, you understand. But still.
 
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Hold off on that diploma. I still haven’t solved the problem of why someone who apparently has some degree of interest in a subject would choose to pursue it by immediately concluding that there must be some cabal of nefarious forces acting at its highest levels.
 
EHocking said:
I’ll let you argue that with Google AI.
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My bad - I meant to say initial letter [consonant]. (It's a given 'a' and other vowels predominate generically as they are the building blocks on which consonants are structured,)

The Finns love the letter K. Whereas in English Scrabble we have only one K, the Finns have five. The K section in the dictionary goes on as long as an English dictionary's C, S or T. The Finnish K is wildly mutative, and when words undergo inflection a single K can degrade to G or V or disappear altogether. Double KK degrades to a single K. https://wrongradical.livejournal.com/41673.html
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alphabetlaw2018 said:
H is surrounded by ph, th, kh, nh and all the others.
French military crushed and dominated AnNam (Vietnam) of the Nguyễn dynasty’s kingdom at the time.
As a result of French Rule of AnNam it helped stripped away the Chinese’s logograph and ideograph writing system.
The Human Speech Sounds has the vowels and consonants, IPA Linguists has not found the unified law yet.
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I see what you mean.
 
JayUtah said:
Hold off on that diploma. I still haven’t solved the problem of why someone who apparently has some degree of interest in a subject would choose to pursue it by immediately concluding that there must be some cabal of nefarious forces acting at its highest levels.
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My study of that problem has led to this tentative conclusion: It's one of the fastest ways to convince yourself you know more about that subject than those who have wasted so much time on trying to understand it.
 
Vixen said:
My bad - I meant to say initial letter [consonant].
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What is an “initial letter”, the first letter of a sentence or paragraph?

Perhaps you didn’t read the quoted AI response in my post,
The letter 'K' typically ranks around 10th place in overall letter frequency (around 4.92% to 6.27%). 'H' is even less frequent, ranking around 13th place (around 1.85% to 2.49%).
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Expanding upon that
Top Finnish Letter Frequencies (Approximate Percentages):
  1. A: ~12.2%
  2. I: ~10.8%
  3. T: ~8.8%
  4. N: ~8.8%
  5. S: ~7.9%
  6. E: ~7.9%
  7. O: ~5.6%
  8. L: ~5.7%
  9. U: ~5.0%
  10. K: ~5.0%
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So, (the rule of), it appears that, at best, the letter “K” is the fifth most frequent consonant in the Finnish language.
Given that, it is unlikely that it is the most frequently used “initial letter [consonant]”, either.
Vixen said:
(It's a given 'a' and other vowels predominate generically as they are the building blocks on which consonants are structured,)
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what on earth does this sentence mean?
I can’t even get AI to parse it.
 
JayUtah said:
Hold off on that diploma. I still haven’t solved the problem of why someone who apparently has some degree of interest in a subject would choose to pursue it by immediately concluding that there must be some cabal of nefarious forces acting at its highest levels.
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The sinister cabal is a given. The plaudits await he who discovers what they do to fill their time. Leave no avenue unexplored. Not even this one.

They will of course have left clues. It's just about the only fun they get. Imagine their evil lair. Just picture it. No fun.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
The sinister cabal is a given. The plaudits await he who discovers what they do to fill their time. Leave no avenue unexplored. Not even this one.

They will of course have left clues. It's just about the only fun they get. Imagine their evil lair. Just picture it. No fun.
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Forgive my raucous laugh, but

HARH!

Have you ever been to an International [name any scholarly discipline]
Society annual world conference, jamboree, and lurid blowout? Have you
ever seen massed academics letting go, unbuttoning, and charging about
like a looting army?

The International Linguists, for example, threw their bash this year in Paris.
How you gonna keep 'em staid & scholarly after they've seen Pareeee?

Next year, it'll be Bangkok. Betcha.
 
sackett said:
Forgive my raucous laugh, but

HARH!

Have you ever been to an International [name any scholarly discipline]
Society annual world conference, jamboree, and lurid blowout? Have you
ever seen massed academics letting go, unbuttoning, and charging about
like a looting army?

The International Linguists, for example, threw their bash this year in Paris.
How you gonna keep 'em staid & scholarly after they've seen Pareeee?

Next year, it'll be Bangkok. Betcha.
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Leaving no boulevard unexplored either. Commendable, really.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The sinister cabal is a given. The plaudits await he who discovers what they do to fill their time. Leave no avenue unexplored. Not even this one.

They will of course have left clues. It's just about the only fun they get. Imagine their evil lair. Just picture it. No fun.
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Ah, the clues. Indeed. They are hidden in plain sight, as always, but you will have to learn to read between the lines to spot them. Which lines, I hear you ask. Why, the lines of the alphabet, of course. You ought to have figured this out - we even called a couple of them linear a and linear b. Typical of secret cabals, that; we like dropping these obvious hints so we can gloat!

And we would have gotten away with it (sorry, no, I don't know what "it" is either, i very much suspect that there is neither an it, nor a there, there) too, if it weren't for the meddling alphabetlaw2018.
 
sackett said:
If a language's phonemes have not been identified before, here's a great chance
to present its speakers with a rational spelling for their tongue -- a great blessing,
as any English or Gaelic speaker knows.
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The Gaelic spelling system is quite rational, merely unintuitive to native English speakers. English itself is past praying for.
 
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