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There are no material objects

Can I change my answer to "Yes there is!" Then hitting somebody with a material object like a frying pan?
 
I could tell by the title this was a Jonesboy thread.

Content as expected.
 
What if a tree fell in the woods and nobody else was around when it landed on your head, would it still be immaterial? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Jonesboy said:
I can distinguish a carpet from a TV but only because I know about entertainment. Without that human value, there is no TV.
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The tv exists as a tv without it being powered up, or even removed from the box the manufacturer shipped it in.
Looking for entertainment on tv, now THAT'S a challenge!
 
Is it only carpet that's interchangeable with a TV, or can it be an end table or something as well? If that's the case I'll just buy what's cheaper. Someone let me know soon please, I'm on my way to the furniture store.
 
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Jonesboy said:
Objects do not set their own physical limits. An object is a set of physical limits that we alone have drawn upon materials and space. For example, only the concept of entertainment distinguishes a TV from the carpet it stands on.

While this doen't rule out materiality, it rules out material objects. An object is a construction of sentient creatures.
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Ok, I know people have been implying this the whole time, but let's just be blunt here:

Your threads are weird as hell.

I know I could probably come up with the same sort of comments if I were sufficiently high, but you are likely sober, and that fact alone makes it borderline worrying.

Let me share something with you: The first time I tried salvia, it was the most frightening experience of my life. It gave me first-person view of falling through my own ego, seeing reality fold in on itself, being unable to distinguish myself from seams in reality, feeling my sense of self expand indefinitely through time and space in a chaotic pattern -- I assure you, it was one of the most intricate horrors I've ever seen, so much that I had nightmares about it for months, and my head bristling with wordless abstract thoughts not unlike the ones you've described.

The key here is understanding that those thoughts don't mean anything. If you dwell on them or try to make sense of them, you're going to find yourself plagued by an uncanny feeling of derealization.

Try thinking about more cheerful things. Have you seen, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs? Have you ever tried to juggle with your feet?
 
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Dessi said:
The first time I tried salvia, it was the most frightening experience of my life. It gave me first-person view of falling through my own ego, seeing reality fold in on itself, being unable to distinguish myself from seams in reality, feeling my sense of self expand indefinitely through time and space in a chaotic pattern -- I assure you, it was one of the most intricate horrors I've ever seen, so much that I had nightmares about it for months, and my head bristling with wordless abstract thoughts not unlike the ones you've described.
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See, I find that kind of experience fun. But to each his/her own, I reckon.
 
Jonesboy said:
Objects do not set their own physical limits. An object is a set of physical limits that we alone have drawn upon materials and space. For example, only the concept of entertainment distinguishes a TV from the carpet it stands on.

While this doen't rule out materiality, it rules out material objects. An object is a construction of sentient creatures.
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Jonesboy, this is a serious question.... Why are you posting this kind of thing here, on a skeptical forum?

Why aren't you posting this kind of stuff on a New Age forum?

I mean, it's a bit like going to a vegetarian forum and asking what folks think about your latest pulled pork recipe.

These aren't rhetorical questions, I really want to know what you think you're going to get out of this.

Are you trying to convince skeptics to stop being skeptical? Are you hoping to have your ideas debunked?

Or what?
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
Not only you are dead wrong about that aspect being the only thing that differentiates those two objects, but what if I had a carpet that amused me as much as my Tv? Or if I had a Tv that I found equally as much tedious as my carpet?
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OMG, I just turned off my TV and stated staring at my carpet and I never knew the colors were so vivid and so deep, the designs practically swirl and dance which is strange since I have a wood floor.
 
Jonesboy said:
Yes, for many creatures there is just a rectangle that gets in the way. Or for termites, it could be food, or for a murderer it could be the nearest dangerous object to hand.

There is no material property called TV.
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There are material things called TVs.

You can prove this to yourself by walking into an electronics store. You will see lots of objects designed to display motion pictures with sound, and they will have the terms "TV" and "television" associated with them, via signage, packaging, and spoken reference.

That's all that's necessary to make it true that there are material things called TVs.

The fact that termites don't call them TVs, and are even incapable of conceiving of a television, doesn't change the fact that there are indeed things called TVs.

This is like claiming that because blind people have no concept of color, the concept of color must be useless.

You seem to be conflating language with its referents.
 
Resume said:
Do you have one, considering your handle and all?
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Oh, yes, a very good one. And a wonderful Vidalia onion sauce to go with it. Takes about 15-19 hours to cook right, depending on the size of the shoulder you're cooking. Can pass it on by PM if you're interested.
 
Piggy said:
Oh, yes, a very good one. And a wonderful Vidalia onion sauce to go with it. Takes about 15-19 hours to cook right, depending on the size of the shoulder you're cooking. Can pass it on by PM if you're interested.
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I'd be grateful.
 
Jonesboy said:
An object is a construction of sentient creatures.
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Sorry to be crude, but Ted Bundy's victims still died when he bludgeoned them in their sleep. This would not have happened if the object he used to kill them were a construction of sentient creatures. Only the ones he murdered while they were awake would have died.
 
Resume said:
I'd be grateful.
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I'll need to transcribe it from the old, stained pieces of paper I have them written on, which will take some time. I've made a note to myself and posted it in the kitchen. Will get it to you over the weekend. I promise you'll love it!
 
Piggy said:
I'll need to transcribe it from the old, stained pieces of paper I have them written on, which will take some time. I've made a note to myself and posted it in the kitchen. Will get it to you over the weekend. I promise you'll love it!
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Take your time and thanks very much.
 
Piggy said:
There are material things called TVs.

You can prove this to yourself by walking into an electronics store. You will see lots of objects designed to display motion pictures with sound, and they will have the terms "TV" and "television" associated with them, via signage, packaging, and spoken reference.

That's all that's necessary to make it true that there are material things called TVs.

The fact that termites don't call them TVs, and are even incapable of conceiving of a television, doesn't change the fact that there are indeed things called TVs.

This is like claiming that because blind people have no concept of color, the concept of color must be useless.

You seem to be conflating language with its referents.
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But without language or a human observer, the TV is very similar to a table.

In other words: If we take away all that is "us" (if we leave the room, so to speak), then the objects in the room have no meaning.

Whilst this is technically true, (since, what use does a TV have if there is nobody to use it), it still doesn't change the fact that it's a TV.

Jonesboy really needs to work on his skills. He is still in the ignore-the-thread stage, where others, like someone else who was in the thread, has progressed to the just-type-anything-to-keep-the-illusion-of-knowing-what-to-say stage.
 
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