There are no material objects

[dafydd]

This reminds me of the rooster who thought that the sun got up every morning just to hear him crow.

 

[Jonesboy]

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[dafydd]

When you're playing chess, you can't just reach over and knock down your opponent's king. It is necessary to do things that actually make sense.

In short: What are you talking about?

You said that the existence of one group of people was dependent on their opposite. Now, you are saying that they are not dependent on their opposite?

In this example, NO theists have ever existed, so there is NO set of words to distinguish atheism and theism. IF all the materialists vanished, the set of words distinguishing materialism from non-materialism would NOT. The existence of non-materialists is NOT dependent on materialists.

Bet you he posts a non-post that he says he has already made that point. He is unable to list any immaterial things in the universe so all we get is waffle.

 

[Jonesboy]

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[Jonesboy]

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[Twiler]

If you read the rest you would see that it is about material reality, not art.
I was not writing about art.

No, I think you are writing about art. You should try reading your post as an uninterested observer, rather than as yourself.

You see, when you're an individual you're inherently limited. It's only when you realise that you've got no clue what you're talking about that you are able to transcend the boundaries of flesh.

 

[Dancing David]

Medieval perspective is, as we know, "flat". This is a more real, more "scientific" perspective than modern three-dimensional perspective which makes objects appear from an arbitrary, privileged, single point or viewer.

Even so, there is a yet more real way of representing objects. That is to privilege NO viewing point over another, and to view objects from all points.

Viewing objects from all points - pan perspective- would be the most "scientific" perspective. The view we get from that is a point. This point, in contradistinction to material objects generally, cannot be hidden. Hence the material world is viewer dependent, not viewer independent.

The material world is an invention forced on us by the viewing limits we place on objects. This restriction on perspective by science and modern artists, creates a distorted world. The pan-perspective point - the object - is real and unlike material objects, cannot be hidden. And this is no more than what we, and the medievalists, would expect.

Um science assumes that the modeled laws are the same across space and time.

There is no privilege to science, there is replication, so perhaps you like ideas that can't be replicated?

 

[Dancing David]

What's art got to do with this?

You brought them up and made a mis-statement about modern art, Perspective painting is what 15th century?

How soon you forget your own opening lines

"Medieval perspective is, as we know, "flat". This is a more real, more "scientific" perspective than modern three-dimensional perspective which makes objects appear from an arbitrary, privileged, single point or viewer. "

 

[dafydd]

An obtuse woo, wow. Did you understood my post... at all?

Yes I did, what there was to understand,which was very little. How old are you? You come across as a snotty teenager who has a lot to learn. I suggest that you read the members agreement. Then I may not have to report you. These last few posts will end up in AHH.

 

[Jonesboy]

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[Mashuna]

But good question. When we paint in three point perspective all lines converge on a single viewing point, as you probably know. But there is more than one single viewing point, of course. If we take all viewing points into account, as we ought to if we want to be fair, then we get pan-perspective. this perspective yields a point.

I'm sorry, I've taken a pan perspective approach to your thread, and there's definitely no point to be found.

 

[Jonesboy]

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[porch]

What's art got to do with this?

What? Who said anything about art?

This is fun.

 

[Jonesboy]

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[Twiler]

If you want to talk about art go and start a new thread because I'm not interested.

I thought you wanted to talk about art. If you rotate your last post through 180 degrees, there's a load of stuff about Monet on the back.

 

[Jonesboy]

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[dafydd]

So we are agreed that there are material objects? Let's get back on topic.

 

[Jonesboy]

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