ThePentaCON releases trailer

Lyte Trip said:
And to toto:

You claimed that Merc threatened your life. You lied. He did not.

Yes you provoked him to the point of wanting to defend his honor.

Clearly he overreacted but he did NOT threaten your life.

Why don't you post all the things you said to provoke that reaction?

Tell them how you said you and your friends would take care of business.

Don't leave out all of the horrible vile things you constantly say to people.

Whatever.

I have spoken out in our defense enough.

I'll see you guys again after the movie is released.
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This is not the quote I was talking about when I said Merc threatened my life- although I don't see how you can defend this. When and where he said that I cannot specifically recall- and his profile and the forum were removed after it happened, this was also before I started saving the conversations. I am not a liar- but I cannot provide any specific evidence where he said that. My response to him was that threatening me would be a bad idea, because it would ruin any venture he had here- and my friends would see to that, nor do I need to. I never made any threat upon him. Period. Anyone who has had any dealings with Merc can testify to his erratic and violent behavior- and you certainly support and defend his actions. You excuse it.

Furthermore, this was his response to me challenging his position. This is how you guys respond: with threats of physical violence. How can you possibly defend that with an idea that he was provoked? Provoked by what? Me telling him his position on 9/11 is wrong? How absolutely insane is that? How does "defending your honor" translate into threats of violence? Can you explain that? Can you explain how this is endorsed by your peers?
 
Russell, you dissapoint me. Do you stand by this statement you made to members of the LC forum, advising them how to deal with JREFers?

Familiarize yourself with all 25 rules on that link[benfrank disinfo]. But DON'T quote the rule back at them every time. I have made them aware of the rules and if they are overused it just gets old. But do arm yourself and be aware.

The main weakness over there is that they are VERY dependent on one person. They have a leader. I can promise you that I have seen them repeat the same old stuff over and over. I have also seen in the materials they depend on just as much "cherry picking", manipulation, and distortion that they try and accuse us of.

We don't have a leader. We don't need one. If every single one of us researches a different angle and learns everything we can, then we can defeat a system with a primary source of information by all being leaders in our own specialty!

Another weakness in their strategy in my opinion is the hypocrisy. They seem to widely believe if there is a cover up of 9/11, it is due to the USG covering their butts due to incompetency. But they are not doing a single thing to research and expose that cover up. Instead, they have launched an attack on Loose Change and the citizens of America who ask questions. ANY cover up of 9/11 is unacceptable to me. I perceive what most of us are doing is at least trying to get to the truth. I can not say the same for them.

One of their biggest arguments revolves around who is behind 9/11 and what the motive is. My belief is that not the whole government is in on it. I believe a small element of people related to the PNAC within our government have hijacked us. JREFers try to spin the "new Pearl Harbor" quote. Be clear of what the implications of the document Rebuilding America's Defenses are all about.
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Bobert said:
Wow sorry to hear that Merc said that
Merc is the kind of person who will say that to the WRONG person and live to regret it.
We do both live in socal and after Merc made that threat toward my son and wife I did offer to meet him in person but he declined.
2 psycho frauds who piss on 9-11 victims.
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I've dealt with people like Merc and Lyte long enough to know that you cannot win by sinking to their level- then it just becomes a game of chicken as to who calls the cops first.

Don't even bother- the second he does anything, contact the authorities. You gain nothing by responding, and you gain nothing by trying to "defend your honor" by sinking to their level. People like this only respond to equal violence- and they need to be stopped by the proper authorities who can put them where they belong- and probably give them the help they need. I consider it a fluke that Merc backed down after I told him that threatening me would ruin any venture he had here.

Playing their game only further puts you in danger and escalates the situation. Don't get me wrong- Merc, Lyte, et al are cowards by the definition of the word- but they will involve anyone else they can to fight their fight for them, especially people who are not trying to protect their reputation. At that point, it's too late- so just contact the authorities.
 
Aphelion said:
Russell, you dissapoint me. Do you stand by this statement you made to members of the LC forum, advising them how to deal with JREFers?
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Has this statement been of any help to the conspiracists?

Then how can he continue to stand by it?

I suspect you're trying to embarrass him- or expose him as some kind of double-crossing fraud. Truth, however, does not really disguise itself. It's not about claiming sides- it's about formulating a logical argument. In that respect, he could say we're all a bunch of flying monkeys- it won't make a bit of difference.
 
Russell Pickering said:
http://thepentacon.info/
If you need any graphics or documentation - please let me know. I have signed up already for the forum.
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Yes, I'm extremely interested in the work you've already done on the Pentagon -- I've already collected a lot that you've posted here -- and I'm definitely interested in the unique insight that you have into how this film came about.

(BTW, the forum is just a playground right now, but if and when the film gets released and there's something to debunk, I'm going to clean it up.)
 
Russell Pickering said:
As I have learned in that time 9/11 is a magnet for a mentality of people emotionally predisposed to delusion.
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Without necessarily naming names, have you been in contact with 'truthers' who seem in your opinion to be actually dangerous? Do you think it likely that something along this line could happen?

By far, the craziest of the crazy hang out in the Usenet newsgroup alt.conspiracy -- but then again, I've never been able to peek into the "secret areas" of web-based CT forums.

Examples:

(link)

I'm arguing here that Alex Jones tells 99% truth. its the 1% of the puzzle that he doesn't focus on that bothers me. I believe and many are working it out that Alex Jones is a zionist whore. His job is to hold the 911 truth and false flag terrorism against a mysterious agency called the NWO but in fact this agency is nothing more than a jewish mafia called the zionist cabal. They are not unlike the italian mafia but they are 1000 times mroe powerful than the italian mafia ever were.

You really must investigate 9/11 if you believe in truth and justice. Alex Jones has written a few good films such as TerrorStorm which you can watch free on video-google. But a more reliable source of focus is www.iamthewitness.com If you would just peruse that website and check the sources you are in for the biggest shock of your life.

Everybody has to ull together and help us get through these difficult times.

ignorance of zionism will kill you.
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and another from the same guy: (link)

We should also focus on the fraudulent scientists who support the official explanation of the collapse of WTC 1 AND 2.

Its really come down to this now: If you want to defeat these criminals then start sending death threats to the zionist whore scientists supporting the official mantra.

its now or never. The end game is in full swing and inevitably we will have to take up arms. The sooner we take up sniper rifles and start assassinating the traitors the less blood we will have to spill down the track.
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Rest assured, Merc is certainly not the first person to have threatened me. It's not fun at all- looking back on how some people behave- but I suppose I wear them like a badge, now.

I would be surprised if I was the only one here- Danny Bonaduce knows the behavior of the "Truth Movement".

We postulate- we laugh- we wonder what causes people to believe weird things... but when people are driven to violence... it's something else. That violence existed long before 9/11.

I wonder if any debunker/scientist has gone off the deep end? Any Holocaust scholars stalked a denier?

Seems to be only a product of the lunatics... wonder why that is...
 
Aphelion said:
Russell, you dissapoint me. Do you stand by this statement you made to members of the LC forum, advising them how to deal with JREFers?
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I am going to dissapoint somebody no matter what I do.

In regards to a 757 hitting the Pentagon I part ways with certain hard core conspiracy theorists.
 
Russell Pickering said:
I am going to dissapoint somebody no matter what I do.

In regards to a 757 hitting the Pentagon I part ways with certain hard core conspiracy theorists.
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So do I. The fringe theories are harming the truth movement more than any debunker can. I personally think this Pentacon business is disgusting.

However, you seem very friendly with the JREFers that you previously denounced in the quote I posted above. That is the only reason for my question. I cannot comprehend why you would take down your site at the request of these people.

I always respected you as an LC admin.
 
Russell Pickering said:
Who is behind the stroke of genius here?

http://thepentacon.info/

If you need any graphics or documentation - please let me know. I have signed up already for the forum.
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This is just a request from the peanut gallery. Could you, or someone, point me to, or create, a top-down map or graphic of the Pentagon impact that includes all of the following:

- The official path of the plane, including the clipped light poles, the direction of the Pentagon interior damage path, and the best determination of the direction of the final flight heading recorded by the FDR.

- The alternative path that would be implied by the "north of the Citgo" eyewitness evidence.

- The location and orientation of the Citgo building (most of the Citgo witnesses were indoors there when the plane flew over, is that correct?).

- The compass orientation of the map (which way is north?).

Just trying to figure out what the big deal is. Where I live many of the streets (and therefore, many of the buildings) are oriented NE-SW and SE-NW, and there's always confusion about what's north or south of what. If the PentaCON evidence is all from witness coaching, there's nothing to be done, but if witnesses are truly confused or misremembering, I wonder if there might be an explainable reason why. I wonder, for instance, where the plane's shadow would have passed (and that should be possible to determine).

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Lyte Trip said:
No matter how much you try to make it one.......this is not a "debate".

This is about truth and justice.

If you are a true critical thinker in an honest quest for truth the testimony we present will shake the very foundations of your beliefs.
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Be honest, you have a Silver Surfer poster on your bedroom wall, don't you?
 
Wow,

Is it just me, or did we just get a taste of CTer bickering and in-fighting? They're like a bunch of children.

Is this what goes on at the LC forums?

-Gumboot
 
Coritani said:
Lyte,

Why are you ignoring the mountain of physical evidence that supports the official story?

Why are you taking eyewitness testimony over physical evidence? Physical evidence > eyewitness testimony.
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Lyte Trip said:
Because truth is not math.

Physical evidence is only > eyewitness testimony when the physical evidence wasn't staged or provided by the perpetrator.
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Oh my.
 
Lyte Trip said:
They were fooled by a perfectly timed sleight of had illusion and because their brains were ready to accept the fact that a plane would hit the building as a result of what just happened in new york.


I was able to figure this out because I was the only one with enough dogged diligence to buy a plane ticket, CALL the witnesses, obtain approval from the Pentagon and Navy to film, knock on doors, ask the questions, film the answers, and come home with footage to present to the world.
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This is just comedy gold.
 
Aphelion said:
So do I. The fringe theories are harming the truth movement more than any debunker can. I personally think this Pentacon business is disgusting.

However, you seem very friendly with the JREFers that you previously denounced in the quote I posted above. That is the only reason for my question. I cannot comprehend why you would take down your site at the request of these people.

I always respected you as an LC admin.
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You should respect him even more...

Question is- why are you insinuating that he's bowing to us, instead of bowing to reason?

Could it be... because you don't believe in reason?
 
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