Merged Their Return

[King of the Americas]

No problem! Which one, specifically, are you thinking of?

What makes you think that the gods are democratic? Because I have to say, they don't seem to be from any of the stories I've heard.

I wouldn't point to 'one' specifically...

'I' consider democracy to be an enlightened principle, and how 'advanced' nations and institutions elect leaders and decide upon courses of action.

 

[SOdhner]

I wouldn't point to 'one' specifically...

Understanding that there are multiple stories, why don't you pick whichever one you think is the best example of a reference to the type of gods you are talking about.

This isn't me trying to argue your premise, either - I think this is a vital step in having this discussion at all because we can't speculate on what would get them to come back if we don't really know who you are talking about in the first place.

'I' consider democracy to be an enlightened principle, and how 'advanced' nations and institutions elect leaders and decide upon courses of action.

Why do you put single quotes around 'I'?

More importantly, why would you think that the gods respect democracy? I can't think of any democratically-elected gods, I would think that they go more for monarchies or something. Well, Theocracies too obviously.

 

[Psiload]

The 'thing' that led me to that number was the adoption Democratic Principles.

So basically you're just guessing that anything even slightly above a majority of people on the planet looking up is what it will take to impress the godly attention whores. And you base this assumption on nothing more than the childishly simplistic notion that 50.00000001% = Democracy.

Is that about right?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Why do you put single quotes around 'I'?

Reverse solipsism.

 

[King of the Americas]

Understanding that there are multiple stories, why don't you pick whichever one you think is the best example of a reference to the type of gods you are talking about.

This isn't me trying to argue your premise, either - I think this is a vital step in having this discussion at all because we can't speculate on what would get them to come back if we don't really know who you are talking about in the first place.



Why do you put single quotes around 'I'?

More importantly, why would you think that the gods respect democracy? I can't think of any democratically-elected gods, I would think that they go more for monarchies or something. Well, Theocracies too obviously.

I guess, I'd point to ANY story or tale of gods/angels mating with humans to spawn 'better' beings. Zues brought forth Perseus. An angel visited and Mary gives birth to Yeshua. It isn't so much about our beginning, but a gradual development, for a very long time. Our actual history is shrouded in myth and religion, and 'I' don't pretend to know everything and about anything.

'Emphasis'...

Okay, if MOST of the tribe came out each morning, would we think they wanted to speak/meet with us...?

We'd likely NOT try to make contact unless we saw some 'unification' among the tribe, wanting contact, right?

 

[SOdhner]

I guess, I'd point to ANY story or tale of gods/angels mating with humans to spawn 'better' beings. Zues brought forth Perseus. An angel visited and Mary gives birth to Yeshua.

Okay, Zeus. So here we have someone whose father wanted to kill him, and who later started a civil war among gods that led to the older and established gods being defeated. He had almost a hundred children, many of which were with humans but in some cases he did this in the form of an animal or something. He wasn't exacly moral by our standards, nor did all of his children turn out well. All in all, this isn't someone we want to return in the first place.

If we try to suggest this is a factual account, we have to assume that his father really did want him dead and he really did have a lot of questionable relationships. He was violent, and fickle, and unfaithful. His children were sometimes monsters. So... if he was an alien or other non-human creature, he was at best a charming Bond villain.

We'd likely NOT try to make contact unless we saw some 'unification' among the tribe, wanting contact, right?

I don't see any sign of that. Zeus didn't ask for a simple majority vote, he did whatever he felt like. He was a monarch who secured his position through the use of force.

 

[Elizabeth I]

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[carlitos]

KotA knows all that. Eschewing traditional formatting is a mark of woo. They almost all do something similar. Rramjet has a special case of the quote fever, and he uses the slanted ones from a word processor, so they stand out even more. Which makes the woo easier to "spot."

 

[King of the Americas]

Okay, Zeus. So here we have someone whose father wanted to kill him, and who later started a civil war among gods that led to the older and established gods being defeated. He had almost a hundred children, many of which were with humans but in some cases he did this in the form of an animal or something. He wasn't exacly moral by our standards, nor did all of his children turn out well. All in all, this isn't someone we want to return in the first place.

If we try to suggest this is a factual account, we have to assume that his father really did want him dead and he really did have a lot of questionable relationships. He was violent, and fickle, and unfaithful. His children were sometimes monsters. So... if he was an alien or other non-human creature, he was at best a charming Bond villain.



I don't see any sign of that. Zeus didn't ask for a simple majority vote, he did whatever he felt like. He was a monarch who secured his position through the use of force.

What about the sons of god seeing the daughters of men, taking wives they chose, resulting in men of renown...?

And why did you ignore the Christ example.

What I will concede to is that the older the god, the bigger the prick.

They seem increasingly 'less' violent, as time rolls on.

 

[RoboTimbo]

KotA knows all that. Eschewing traditional formatting is a mark of woo. They almost all do something similar. Rramjet has a special case of the quote fever, and he uses the slanted ones from a word processor, so they stand out even more. Which makes the woo easier to "spot."

"Careful", KotA gets quite 'upset' whenever you say something factual about (Rramjet).

 

[SOdhner]

What about the sons of god seeing the daughters of men, taking wives they chose, resulting in men of renown...?

What about it? That provides nothing useful so far as I can tell. Renowned for what? Just being tall?

And why did you ignore the Christ example.

Okay, fine. Assuming that Jesus' actions were aproved of by his dad (not a guarantee at all, as I pointed out with Zeus some of his kids were jerks or otherwise 'defective') That example can tell us that the gods are Jewish, but disliked the Jewish purity system in place at the time. Not sure how that helps.

Unless you think that the gods stopped showing up because we eat pork?

Anyway, Jesus also fails your democratic test. He was against exclusion in general, but he never showed any sign of wanting things to be decided by majority rule and in fact could be said to have gone against it. He also supported a monotheistic religion rather than some sort of pantheon where the mortals got to vote for Top God.

What I will concede to is that the older the god, the bigger the prick.

They seem increasingly 'less' violent, as time rolls on.

I disagree. I think that they seem like people. Some are nice, others are jerks. I don't see any kind of trend. What that tells me is that the stories were made up by people, or in some cases inspired by real people. That's not exactly a news flash.

 

[Elizabeth I]

KotA knows all that. Eschewing traditional formatting is a mark of woo. They almost all do something similar. Rramjet has a special case of the quote fever, and he uses the slanted ones from a word processor, so they stand out even more. Which makes the woo easier to "spot."

OK, so, yeah, KotA "really" knows what he's talking about.

 

[tsig]

I take offense to that.

You take ignorance to a whole other level.

You get the Shield of Imperviousness at that level.

 

[tsig]

What about the sons of god seeing the daughters of men, taking wives they chose, resulting in men of renown...?

And why did you ignore the Christ example.

What I will concede to is that the older the god, the bigger the prick.

They seem increasingly 'less' violent, as time rolls on.

So you're saying that if we put up a big sign saying 'EARTH GIRLS ARE EASY' we'll be hip deep in notthealiens?

 

[King of the Americas]

So you're saying that if we put up a big sign saying 'EARTH GIRLS ARE EASY' we'll be hip deep in notthealiens?

While this may have been true in the past, demigods aren't at all common anymore...

 

[SOdhner]

While this may have been true in the past, demigods aren't at all common anymore...

I thought that was your whole point, that they're not visiting like they used to? In that case, I think the EARTH GIRLS ARE EASY sign would work just fine.

Not that I'm convinced we want those jerks back anyway.

 

[bruto]

What about the sons of god seeing the daughters of men, taking wives they chose, resulting in men of renown...?

And why did you ignore the Christ example.

What I will concede to is that the older the god, the bigger the prick.

They seem increasingly 'less' violent, as time rolls on.

Your "Yeshua" seems to have been a pretty poor choice for breeding stock.

 

[King of the Americas]

Your "Yeshua" seems to have been a pretty poor choice for breeding stock.

Hey, I am not here to judge or offer comments on the end result of their works, I am merely here to say there's evidence that E.T. has had their hand(s) in the dough.

 

[EHocking]

...I am merely her to say there's evidence that E.T. has had their hand(s) in the dough.

Yet you have produced none, except a personal anecdote and unsupported assertions.

 

[King of the Americas]

Yet you have produced none, except a personal anecdote and unsupported assertions.

That's not true...