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aggle-rithm said:
Well, here we are engaging in a exercise in logic. It is possible to make deductions from flawed premises without violating any rules of logic.

However, since we are discussing complex hypothetical organisms, you either need a LOT MORE premises to fully describe what they are like and what motivates, them, or you will reach conclusions that do not follow from the premises.

With the former, it is no longer an exercise in logic and more an exercise in make-believe. With the latter, it simply fails as a logical excercise.

I don't see the point, really.
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Then you are excused.
 
King of the Americas said:
*I am no longer responding to the term "aliens".
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That's alright, I'm no longer responding to the term "labradoodles".

Your blatant racism aside; you still haven't made a case for aliens. The aliens you believe in. The aliens that will pop up from everyone looking up. Those aliens.
 
King of the Americas said:
So, what of all our interracial breeding...?

Labradoodles are 'new' right?

What is the human equivalent?
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Labradoodles are a new breed, not a new species, and only a new breed because their forebears' pedigrees are documented and their breeding controlled. Dogs of all breeds have mated for centuries and turned out mutts whose breed was never named. Left to themselves, dogs would likely breed back to a hardy, resilient, well-adapted mongrel type similar to the street dogs of the third world, superior in most ways to the fancy breeds, whose success at being dogs has been subordinated to the specialized whims of their owners. Same with humans. We're all the same species. We're genetically identical in that sense, but obviously not in the sense of being clones.
 
King of the Americas said:
My singular point is that we are different, because of our environment, nutrition, society, and we've made literally steps on another world, so..."we've changed."
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-And how does the fact that we're better fed now make us more worthy of contact?

-The last steps we took on another world occurred forty years ago. If the ET's were so impressed by this, why have we waited four decades now without so much as a pat on the back or an 'atta boy from the ETs?

-By all indications it would seem that the ETs are getting more and more disinterested in us. They don't show up to boss us around anymore, or give us food, or wipe out our cities, or help us erect nifty stone buildings, etc... All we get lately is chopped up cows and "obligatory" fertility exams. So... what leads you to believe that THE TIME IS RIPE! when everything seems to indicate the opposite? What, besides your personal desire for the time to be ripe?


Oh... and I'd like to take this opportunity to say to ANY and ALL people/entities/Gods/gods/ascended ones/descended ones/heavenly visitors/Labradoodles, etc... who feel obliged and/or obligated to abduct me and assess the state of my fertility...

I hereby relieve you of your obligation. No... seriously, thanks a bunch, but... no thanks. Really, I'm good.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Let us assume for the moment that E.T. of a particular sort exist. The assumed E.T. are technologically advanced beings, once resident on earth, and correspond to the myths of ancient gods. It is stipulated for the purposes of this thread that their existence is supported by evidence, so the quality of that evidence is not a subject of discussion. If you wanted them to come back to earth, how would you go about this? Disallowed in this thread are questions about the veracity of the E.T. themselves, suggestions that the E.T. are something other than those specified, and discussions of whether we should wish them back at all.

If you don't want to take part, please excuse yourself, as you are in the way.
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If they didn't notice the nukes we detonated up there I don't think a stare down will phase them.
 
King of the Americas said:
Let us assume for the moment that E.T. of a particular sort exist. The assumed E.T. are technologically advanced beings, once resident on earth, and correspond to the myths of ancient gods. It is stipulated for the purposes of this thread that their existence is supported by evidence, so the quality of that evidence is not a subject of discussion. If you wanted them to come back to earth, how would you go about this? Disallowed in this thread are questions about the veracity of the E.T. themselves, suggestions that the E.T. are something other than those specified, and discussions of whether we should wish them back at all.
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What if they aren't paying attention anymore? What if the change in behavior from old-time godlike influence to recent unsubstantiated reports is due to them having packed up and headed home? Or, not home for sure... another planet somewhere or something. In that case there wouldn't be anything to do.

But let's say they're ignoring us, because that's more fun. I would say that it's impossible to tell due to a lack of information about them, but based on my limited data it seems clear we should get rid of technology. Burn it all. These sightings dropped off as we became more technologically advanced and so the clear solution is to revert to a state that more closely resembles the one where they paid attention to us.

We may also need to reduce the wold population, but that would start to happen naturally anyway once we brought about the collapse of civilization.

I apologize if someone has already suggested this - 41 pages is a lot to go through.
 
King of the Americas said:
...I'd HAVE to assume they are familiar with our most ancient of cultural exercises.
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What's that - half the population of the planet looking up at the sky is our most ancient cultural exercise of greeting/welcome ?

I must have been off school the day they covered that...
 
King of the Americas said:
We're not assuming anecdotes about what or how they are, because they've changed. Today's cattle mutilators could be yesterday manna providers. They gave Noah warning of a flood, then vaporized a couple of towns. They raised the dead, but also told Abraham to kill his kid. So, to say they are ONE thing or act(ed) in ONE consistent fashion would be inaccurate.
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You're making this up as you go, aren't you?


King of the Americas said:
My singular point is that we are different, because of our environment, nutrition, society, and we've made literally steps on another world, so..."we've changed."
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Dr. Lamarck, paging Dr. Lamarck. Dr. Lysenko, paging Dr. Lysenko.

None of what you are talking about has changed humans genetically. If there were any substantial genetic changes, there would be a population (even if it were only one person) that was incapable of breeding with humans. That one person could exist, but if s/he is the only one, too bad because s/he will die without having reproduced. Hardly a genetic improvement.

A labradoodle may be a new breed of dog but it can still mate with any other breed and produce fertile offspring, be that other breed chihuahua, great Dane, or anything in between, up to and including dingos and wolves (in fact, I read a speculation that the dingo breed may disappear due to interbreeding with domestic dogs.) Think of breeds as more analogous to the "races" of humanity - someone born in Africa may look substantially different from someone born in Sweden, but they could still produce viable, fertile offspring.

So you were saying? We're bigger and taller, on average, and 40 years ago we went to the moon, therefore...?
 
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