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So skeptics, did the Easter Islanders have a written language, as to export their designs for their Moai, or did they export these statues like concert T-shirts?
 
King of the Americas said:
How so...?

Do YOU believe there was a global civilization before Columbus made his trip?
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No one had the infrastructure to maintain a global civilization before Columbus made his trip.

If it existed, then surely we would find signs of it.

Until we do, there is no reason to believe it existed.
 
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King of the Americas said:
So skeptics, did the Easter Islanders have a written language, as to export their designs for their Moai, or did they export these statues like concert T-shirts?
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Here's another possibility: They had a strong oral tradition.

This is something Alex Haley discovered when he was researching Roots. Some African tribes kept meticulous geneological records without writing anything down. The records were verbally passed down, verbatim, from one generation to the next. Haley theorized that our natural ability to memorize verbal data has become atrophied by our dependence on written language.

If I remember correctly. Which I may not because of my dependence on written language.
 
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One of my favorite stories is that of Easter Island, where western visitors puzzled over the giant statues found there. There were many competing theories about how they were crafted, from fairly reasonable explanations to the intervention of aliens or supernatural beings.

Then some clever soul got the bright idea to actually ASK THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE how the statues were built...and they, of course, knew exactly how it was done.
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It looks like this is exactly what I said it was...a story. My dad told me this years ago, but I can't find any information that indicates that modern Easter Islanders knew how the statues were built and transported.

But, it probably has something to do with all the trees that disappeared around the time they stopped making the statues.
 
I have emailed a couple of archeologists that dug the site. Will post results. In the meantime, from the Journal of the Society of Architectural Historians:
Inca construction techniques have long been the subject of wild speculation. Investigations of ancient quarry sites and of numerous cut-stone walls reveal that the amazing Inca constructions were built with very simple means. Stones were selected out of rock falls or just broken out of a rock face with pry-bars. If the blocks needed to be parted, big hammerstones were used to split them. To dress the stones smaller hammerstones were used to pound them until they had the desired shape. The fitting of one stone to another was done by cutting the already laid stones to receive the next ones in a trial-and-error fashion. Experiments show that with this process stones can be mined, cut, dressed, and fit with little effort and in a short time.
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ETA - King of the Americas, can you please confirm the following? I just want to make sure I have your argument straight.

  • you are incredulous about the Egyptian pyramids because of the logistics of moving so many heavy stones (every 9 seconds...)
  • you are incredulous about Puma Punku because of the carving technique used on the green andecite stone monoliths
  • do you still maintain that there is something other-worldly (lost advanced technology, whatever) about the sandstone, or have you dropped that?
I appreciate the clarity; it will help me when I hear from these archeologists.
 
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King of the Americas said:
So skeptics, did the Easter Islanders have a written language, as to export their designs for their Moai, or did they export these statues like concert T-shirts?
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I think it much more likely that the good people of Rapanui didn't export their statues at all.
The most likely explanation I can find is that the magazine article I posted is part of an advertising campaign for this album:
Rhythms del Mundo Revival
 
King of the Americas said:
So skeptics, did the Easter Islanders have a written language, as to export their designs for their Moai, or did they export these statues like concert T-shirts?
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I can't imagine how they did it, so they must have used really advanced technology. They probably shipped them by air freight, on the famous Lirpa Loof system. You didn't heed my warning back there, did you?
 
aggle-rithm said:
Here's another possibility: They had a strong oral tradition.

This is something Alex Haley discovered when he was researching Roots. Some African tribes kept meticulous geneological records without writing anything down. The records were verbally passed down, verbatim, from one generation to the next. Haley theorized that our natural ability to memorize verbal data has become atrophied by our dependence on written language.

If I remember correctly. Which I may not because of my dependence on written language.
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Really...? You think one non-sculptor could tell another how to build one of those Moai?

Wait, how did the knowledge get from one place to another, without cross oceanic journey capability???
 
aggle-rithm said:
..But, it probably has something to do with all the trees that disappeared around the time they stopped making the statues.
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It probably didn't.

It is much more likely that the population being ravaged by Westerners landing and raiding on the island had the most influence on the collapse of their culture and certainly more impact on their environment. There is more evidence that their forests were deliberately devastated by Western slavers etc to demoralise the population than the oft alluded legend that the islanders destroyed their trees/environment because of Moai building.

(warning this is a pet soapbox of mine)
 
KotA, This is flying over your head, so allow me.

The Easter Island colossal heads didn't travel anywhere else. They weren't found anywhere else. You are explaining photoshop, by positing ancient aliens "cross oceanic journey capability." You're making a fool of yourself.

Is there a chance you'll answer my simple questions above, regarding your argument?
 
carlitos said:
I have emailed a couple of archeologists that dug the site. Will post results. In the meantime, from the Journal of the Society of Architectural Historians:

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  • you are incredulous about the Egyptian pyramids because of the logistics of moving so many heavy stones (every 9 seconds...)
  • you are incredulous about Puma Punku because of the carving technique used on the green andecite stone monoliths
  • do you still maintain that there is something other-worldly (lost advanced technology, whatever) about the sandstone, or have you dropped that?
I appreciate the clarity; it will help me when I hear from these archeologists.
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*There are LOTS of really interesting stone work on the GP. The cap stone(s) above the queens chamber for example, they were slid down a shaft into place from above. The stones would crush anyone under it, as it was too big for men alone to put in place, and there was no room around the outside for ropes. Weird. The work itself is literally a marvel, containing no markings, but a single inscription 'painted' in an upper anti-chamber. The problem is that its true contents and purpose is lost. Yet mysteries remain, as several shafts remain blocked and unexplored. The last numbers I looked at said the structure was built in 20, suggesting that they placed an average of 2 tons worth of stone every 9 seconds. If THAT is true, then an 'advanced technology' was employed. Men, ropes, and sand ramps with rollers, did NOT alone do that...

*It is the AMOUNT of mastery level carving there that is simply unbelievable. You simply can't do that without advanced tools and a written language, period. Puma Punku required something now lost.

*There are LOTS of stonework, all around the world. Not all of it is from the same age, and not all of it was done with the same tools. Some of it, is out of place, timeline wise. Meaning that some works are much more advanced, yet lay in the ancient past, before known advanced technology.

I look forward to hearing more about the misplaced Moai.
 
King of the Americas said:
How can one be specific about something unknown?

You tell ME why there are no published works about the tool marks?

I haven't ignored anything. I said that 'shaping' sandstone, limestone, or even marble is NOT the same thing as carving descending squares in andesite.

I've never seen a documentary featuring THE known and demonstrated building techniques of Macchu Picchu. Which link did I miss?
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Please check the *.pdfs I linked before, showing how the stones could have been transported and carves, the links to Quala Ympu project and Nat Geo special edition broadcasted from January 17th to 23rd honoring Machu Picchu discovery 100 years ago.

By the way, how's the work on kissing the sculptors and swallowing all you wrote going?
 
King of the Americas said:
Because that is what has thus far been found...
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Except, of course, for the sophisticated and surprisingly hard bronze alloys to which you so kindly linked a while back, and the bronze alloys that were conspicuously used to join stones together. Do you really think they had these superior alloys and used them, but never thought to upgrade their copper chisels?

Much of our knowledge of ancient cultures comes, not from what they kept but from what they threw away. Perhaps we now find copper tools because they were the ones nobody carried off or stole when the civilization collapsed and all the people left.
 
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King of the Americas said:
*There are LOTS of really interesting stone work on the GP. The cap stone(s) above the queens chamber for example, they were slid down a shaft into place from above. The stones would crush anyone under it, as it was too big for men alone to put in place, and there was no room around the outside for ropes. Weird. The work itself is literally a marvel, containing no markings, but a single inscription 'painted' in an upper anti-chamber. The problem is that its true contents and purpose is lost. Yet mysteries remain, as several shafts remain blocked and unexplored. The last numbers I looked at said the structure was built in 20, suggesting that they placed an average of 2 tons worth of stone every 9 seconds. If THAT is true, then an 'advanced technology' was employed. Men, ropes, and sand ramps with rollers, did NOT alone do that...

*It is the AMOUNT of mastery level carving there that is simply unbelievable. You simply can't do that without advanced tools and a written language, period. Puma Punku required something now lost.

*There are LOTS of stonework, all around the world. Not all of it is from the same age, and not all of it was done with the same tools. Some of it, is out of place, timeline wise. Meaning that some works are much more advanced, yet lay in the ancient past, before known advanced technology.

I look forward to hearing more about the misplaced Moai.
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OK, just for clarity, I am going to interpret that as:

Yes you don't believe that ancient Egyptians could move heavy Pyramid stones every 9 seconds

Yes you don't believe that ancient 1100 years ago Incas could carve squares into andesite

Sandstone? I can't tell what your problem is with the sandstone based on your last answer. Seems like general incredulity, which isn't an argument at all, so I can't respond to it. Nothing to respond to. Are you even aware that the stone age ended at different times in different places?


If at this point, after reading this, this and this, you really don't understand the joke about the Maoi statues, I think that might explain some of your other views. If that's the case, I hope that the archeologists blow off my emails, because you simply can't comprehend what they will say.
 
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King of the Americas said:
*There are LOTS of really interesting stone work on the GP. The cap stone(s) above the queens chamber for example, they were slid down a shaft into place from above. The stones would crush anyone under it, as it was too big for men alone to put in place, and there was no room around the outside for ropes. Weird. The work itself is literally a marvel, containing no markings, but a single inscription 'painted' in an upper anti-chamber. The problem is that its true contents and purpose is lost. Yet mysteries remain, as several shafts remain blocked and unexplored. The last numbers I looked at said the structure was built in 20, suggesting that they placed an average of 2 tons worth of stone every 9 seconds. If THAT is true, then an 'advanced technology' was employed. Men, ropes, and sand ramps with rollers, did NOT alone do that...

*It is the AMOUNT of mastery level carving there that is simply unbelievable. You simply can't do that without advanced tools and a written language, period. Puma Punku required something now lost.

*There are LOTS of stonework, all around the world. Not all of it is from the same age, and not all of it was done with the same tools. Some of it, is out of place, timeline wise. Meaning that some works are much more advanced, yet lay in the ancient past, before known advanced technology.
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And that's it? The GotGoneGods applied their amazing advanced technology to cutting and piling up rocks? Nothing more? And they meticulously collected every scrap and crumb of their advanced rock cutting and piling technology and took it with them when they left? The left behind not so much a Twinkie wrapper or a Tupperware lid? All that remains is a few ambiguous, debatable signs of their handiwork, yet not a single nut, bolt or broken unobtanium cutting blade?

Why? Why were the GotGoneGods so meticulously fastidious about tidying up after themselves? Were they setting up some sort of 'test-of-faith' scenario to mess with our modern day heads? Like... we have to accept that they existed based upon the scantest of evidence in order to prove ourselves faithful and worthy? Is this just more silly, ass backwards, attention whoring antics?

I look forward to hearing more about the misplaced Moai.
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I'll bet you do.

Wow. Some people just need to be hit over the head with a frying pan. :rolleyes:
 
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bruto said:
Except, of course, for the sophisticated and surprisingly hard bronze alloys to which you so kindly linked a while back, and the bronze alloys that were conspicuously used to join stones together. Do you really think they had these superior alloys and used them, but never thought to upgrade their copper chisels?


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Those are no match for forged steel, which I have employed, and know that it is no match for granite.

Sorry bronze alloys are no match for andesite.
 
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