Bodhi Dharma Zen
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2) For both Mr. Mix and BDZ: Both of you seem to be suggesting that a moneyless economy should be possible iff technology is developed to both improve efficiency and replace much, if not all, menial labor.
I wouldn't say it is a prerequisite, but it would be desirable to avoid the worst jobs. Machines have been taking over some of the most tedious and/or dangerous jobs, and this tendency will continue in this monetary society anyway.
You've also suggested (I think both of you have, forgive me if I misremember) that such technology is not being produced now because it's too expensive (but won't be in a moneyless economy). So if we need the technology in order to be moneyless, but we can't build the technology until we are moneyless, how do you propose to bootstrap the transition from the economy we have to the one you want in the first place?
I have stated that if the cost can't be justified it will not happen. For instance, if developing the technology costs more than what you will save in a reasonable period of time you will never do it. The first city would have to be somehow primitive in this aspect.
All the Venus Project seems to be saying is that once they build their experimental city it will all become clear. (And how ironic is it that they actually state they'll only begin building it if/when enough money is raised--"We'll build a moneyless economy for you as soon as we have plenty of money." Yeah, right)
I would agree with this, but... I believe there are COUNTLESS things to resolve before we attempt a first city. About the irony, well, I don't find it specially weird, as in order for people to actually move (in this society) they want to see the money first.
For instance, I have zero problems in to going to live in such a city and do my best in order to make it work, without charging one cent. In my case, I would raise enough money to buy an island (UNLESS WE COULD FIND AN ISLAND OWNER WHO WAS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT) and then invite people to participate/live on it.
Oh yeah, I also see one more number coming from TVP: $550,000--the sale price they want for their Florida HQ, since they're moving from Venus to Ecuador (I wonder if they're bringing a large supply of Kool Aid with them).
Where have you read this? Ecuador is full of insects.. I don't like insects
