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The WTC cores

The WTC had a creamy nougat core. It melted because of the intense heat from the fires.
 
Unfit4Command said:
So with your beam theory TS I have a few questions for you.

-Where were the beams located?
-How exactly do you think they would work? I have a picture in my head of a big laser beam destroyed the core and I'm pretty sure some people would have seen or reported such a thing.
-Who do you think put the beams in place to destroy the core? And how did no one notice something like that?
-Why were remains of these weapons/beams never found in the rubble of the WTC's?
-Was the same thing used to bring down WTC 7? Or were the new silent explosives used in that CD?

Also, did the Towers floors actually fall the correct way because of the impact of the planes followed by the fires? Or did the US government destroy the floors through a normal controlled demolition, then leave the core to the all mighty star wars beam?
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It's not my beam theory, credit goes to Wood/Reynolds. I think their idea is that it is a space-based weapon system.

As for "floors falling", I don't know what you mean. What we observe is that the floor assemblies appear to turn into dust and get expelled outwards in all directions with great force. The permiter section appear to become shredded and also thrown outwards with great force.

It is nice to imagine that "floors actually fall the correct way", but in the end, after the dust clears, we don't see any evidence of fallen floors. Anywhere. No floor assemblies. None. Can't find 'em.

We see evidence of a stump of WTC1 core. And no evidence of WTC2 core.

So, you put that together with the round holes, the melted cars, the vehicles that exploded from the inside, the tiny seismic readings, the disappearing tires (the ones that leave their steel belts behind), and all the other very strange stuff, and I'm just waiting for some answers to appear.
 
Alt+F4 said:
TS will send you to this website, which is beam theory central:
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam1.html

I can sum it up for you. The beam was created by the Death Star and it destroyed Alderaan and the World Trade Center.
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awww...the website is under construction. I'll go back later.

I remember someone posting something about the Star Wars beam weapon on the SLCF. Is this what TS is talking about?
starwarsbeam.jpg
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
So, you put that together with the round holes, the melted cars, the vehicles that exploded from the inside, the tiny seismic readings, the disappearing tires (the ones that leave their steel belts behind), and all the other very strange stuff, and I'm just waiting for some answers to appear.
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Good luck with that.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
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It is nice to imagine that "floors actually fall the correct way", but in the end, after the dust clears, we don't see any evidence of fallen floors. Anywhere. No floor assemblies. None. Can't find 'em.
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Yea, but that's only suspicious if there SHOULD be evidence of fallen floors.

Hell, I can say I think the WTC was an inside job because I don't see any evidence of huge plastic rainbows throwing shadows on the moon during the explosions.

See how that works? The answer to my argument is, like the answer to yours is, "well, nobody who has studied the collapse and who knows what they are talking about expects to see shadows of huge plastic rainbows on the moon".
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
It's not my beam theory, credit goes to Wood/Reynolds. I think their idea is that it is a space-based weapon system.

As for "floors falling", I don't know what you mean. What we observe is that the floor assemblies appear to turn into dust and get expelled outwards in all directions with great force. The permiter section appear to become shredded and also thrown outwards with great force.

It is nice to imagine that "floors actually fall the correct way", but in the end, after the dust clears, we don't see any evidence of fallen floors. Anywhere. No floor assemblies. None. Can't find 'em.

We see evidence of a stump of WTC1 core. And no evidence of WTC2 core.

So, you put that together with the round holes, the melted cars, the vehicles that exploded from the inside, the tiny seismic readings, the disappearing tires (the ones that leave their steel belts behind), and all the other very strange stuff, and I'm just waiting for some answers to appear.
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Has your family started to commit you?

I can see parts of floor assemblies, you are not doing a very good job.
 
Unfit4Command said:
awww...the website is under construction. I'll go back later.
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You'll get the gist of it pretty well if you go there now. But, honestly, the theory is so crazy that you have to be deluded to give it any credence.

In my opinion arguing with Truthseeker on this issue is pretty much an academic exercise as he is not amenable to reasoned argument or evidence; has no understanding of even the most basic principles of physics; and considers it possible that a high powered star-wars orbital laser could have been developed in secret by the US government and the only used to demolish the WTC (and not used, for example, against North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Cuba, Venezuala or the Eiffel Tower).

Anyway, if you want to follow a long and sometimes very amusing debate:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66444
 
Hi U4C,

(BTW, I hope your name doesn't refer to that awful book about John Kerry, but if it does, I'll forgive you if you're truly seeking 9/11 truth, not "troof." :) )

About your request, StateOfGrace has given you the basics pretty well.

A lot of what I've learned was from several books. One was 102 Minutes: The Untold Story of the Fight to Survive Inside the Twin Towers, by Jim Dwyer and Kevin Flynn. I don't have the book in front of me, but there's a lot of good diagrams, as well as a lot of good discussion about the collapses, fire codes and how they were/were not carried out, etc. etc. It's scattered thruout the book, however, because it's mainly a chronological retelling of the morning from survivors' viewpoints. But the book carries you along so I think it's a pretty easy read.

Another good reference is City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center, by James Glanz and Eric Lipton, two NYT reporters. They discuss the construction of the building, as well as its collapse. I haven't read it all, so I can't say how thorough it is, but it looks pretty interesting from dipping into it.

Both of these books should be available at your public library. You can even reserve books online at most libraries now, so you can just go pick it up at the branch nearest to you. Thanks for your interest.
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
It's not my beam theory, credit goes to Wood/Reynolds. I think their idea is that it is a space-based weapon system.
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Oh, I'll have to read up more on that.

TruthSeeker1234 said:
As for "floors falling", I don't know what you mean. What we observe is that the floor assemblies appear to turn into dust and get expelled outwards in all directions with great force.
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So what are you suggesting turned the floors to dust? The beam weapon?:eek:
It's not like there's nothing inside of a building that can't be turned into dust, and small objects
-Ceiling Tiles
-Some concrete as it falls at great speeds(keep in mind, the buildings fell nearly 1/4th of a mile in 15-20 seconds depending on what you believe) smashing into the floors below. This wasn't just concrete slabs hitting concrete slabs, this was steel crashing through concrete at great speeds. Who would win in a fight, steel or concrete?
-Plaster, and other materials in the walls and floors.
-And more...

TruthSeeker1234 said:
The permiter section appear to become shredded and also thrown outwards with great force.
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I usually just observe that the permiter sections fell away from the building normally, some of the aluminum siding may have been pushed away since it's much much more light weight and actually able to be pushed away.
Like this picture shows how the permiter columns fell away from the building as the floors pancaked and pushed them away:
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
It is nice to imagine that "floors actually fall the correct way", but in the end, after the dust clears, we don't see any evidence of fallen floors. Anywhere. No floor assemblies. None. Can't find 'em.
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You do know that when the dust cleared a majority of the debris you saw just fell 1/4th of a mile, right? As Fire fighters and relief workers dug deeper into the debris you can clearly see visible floor sections.
Like here:
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
We see evidence of a stump of WTC1 core. And no evidence of WTC2 core.
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Based on assumption.

TruthSeeker1234 said:
So, you put that together with the round holes, the melted cars, the vehicles that exploded from the inside, the tiny seismic readings, the disappearing tires (the ones that leave their steel belts behind), and all the other very strange stuff, and I'm just waiting for some answers to appear.
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The holes have been proven to not be round on this forum already, I don't understand why you continue to make that claim. Besides, it's not like debris weren't flying through the air and couldn't have caused the holes. Have you ever checked what room(s) were destroyed in the buildings by the debris falling through the ceiling?
You know the big hole in the corner of building 7?! Maybe a bomb of the star wars beam did that too!:eek:

The melted cars, yeah, you probably wouldn't expect those with the car fires and all.
burningcars.jpg

Have you ever heard of cars being caught on fire in a Controlled demo(not that the WTC's were destroyed this way) because of the collapse? Or anything melting because of the collapse? Or a massive heat wave coming off the buildings? If a massive heat wave did come off of the building strong enough to melt cars and tires, then how did some people survive inside the building after it collapsed? Did the wave hot enough to melt cars miss them?

Tiny seismic readings as in readings that show internal failures inside the building or electrical explosions.

Yeah...I'm in the same boat as you, I want some answers to appear from the CT side, especially about this Star Wars beam weapon, but I have yet to really get any...:(
 
Unfit4Command said:
So the core is just made out of steel? ah, that's good to know.
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I detect a healthy note of doubt. Nice thread. This page will clear up some issues.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11corexplosions.html

Combined with this page.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

It should be fairly obvious that not only was there a concrete core, but what we saw could only happen with a concrete core.


beachnut said:
This information is wrong on a few facts, you have to sort out the misinformation from CT sites and other sites who have it wrong.

There is no concrete core. I have see this diagram and it misleads a lot of people. Poor research by a journalist or other source.

Like spelling a name wrong, they defined the WTC wrong!
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I'm amazed you haven't figured out why that image from the BBC exists yet.

It was not poor journalism. Sort of the reverse in some ways. That core design was one that Yamasaki had investigated and rejected because no concrete contractor would state it could be built. That is a post stressed design.

The BBC faithfully took a design, albeit rejected, and reproduced it. It is far close than what FEMA produced.
 
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
Hunt the cores, Unfit. Hunt them down.
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Oooo, now I've got my signature! Thanks PooperScooper!

That just cracks me up, like something out of an old, bad detective movie. B movie version of Bogart....:)

Thanks for brightening my night, PS!

Now if I could only get the .sig page to work, grrrr....

Fudged .sig:
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"Hunt the cores, Unfit. Hunt them down. -TruthSeeker1234
 
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