The "Voluntary Human Extinction Movement" Poll

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Rob Lister :
That was a good post until the parenthetical editorializing

Is there any evidence other than that which points to those groups having well above the stabilizing 2 children per couple?...

Present your evidence that Indians, Catholics, and American White Trash are ruining Earth.........

Work hard.......I'm prepared to show that many, many groups other than the above have been way, way more active in screwing things up...........

....I'll add that those groups alone are not the only ones who are having children with reckless abandon, but those are the ones that sprung to mind while I was typing. At least China is doing something about it.

Please write clearly just what it is that China is doing about it.

Type the words.........

 

[Roadtoad]

Sad, really. Children shouldn't be anything more than children. Having them, and raising them well was a responsibility. Nothing beyond that. Trying to turn them into anything more would have placed a burden on them that they didn't deserve.

I had kids because I wanted kids. I didn't want to plan their lives, or tell them how to live them. I didn't want them to be my "buddies," or to become my surrogates in life, doing the things I thought I should have done. I wanted them to be happy doing those things that brought THEM joy. That, to me, was the greater goal.

 

[Huntster]

...Children shouldn't be anything more than children. Having them, and raising them well was a responsibility. Nothing beyond that....[/QUPTE]

Actually, having and raising my children was a pleasure, fun, an honor, a responsibility, and the most worthy thing I've ever done.

...Trying to turn them into anything more would have placed a burden on them that they didn't deserve....

They wouldn't understand, anyway.

...I had kids because I wanted kids....

Me, too. They were fun. They still are.

...I didn't want to plan their lives, or tell them how to live them. I didn't want them to be my "buddies," or to become my surrogates in life, doing the things I thought I should have done. I wanted them to be happy doing those things that brought THEM joy. That, to me, was the greater goal.

You're a good parent.

We're getting rare............

 

[RandFan]

"Wilderness has a right to exist for its own sake" Says who? The wilderness? What does that even mean? What is a right to that which can't even understand what a right is?

It's kinda funny that one of the few if not the only species that can comprehend rights and existence is the only species that is capable of holding itself in contempt.

I have what I think is a deep sense of aesthetics and I see the practical value in preserving and caring for the environment. I voted knee deep and I could respect those who are hip deep. For those who are beyond that I would recommend you do yourself, the earth and all of us a great big favor and join the hemlock society and perhaps exercise your rights, soon.

 

[Roadtoad]

"Wilderness has a right to exist for its own sake" Says who? The wilderness? What does that even mean? What is a right to that which can't even understand what a right is?

It's kinda funny that one of the few if not the only species that can comprehend rights and existence is the only species that is capable of holding itself in contempt.

I have what I think is a deep sense of aesthetics and I see the practical value in preserving and caring for the environment. I voted knee deep and I could respect those who are hip deep. For those who are beyond that I would recommend you do yourself, the earth and all of us a great big favor and join the hemlock society and perhaps exercise your rights, soon.

Ouch.

 

[Huntster]

Ouch.

Feel guilty, do you?

Perhaps those who advocate the Hemlock Society ought to be full-fledged members, themselves.

 

[RandFan]

Feel guilty, do you?

?

Perhaps those who advocate the Hemlock Society ought to be full-fledged members, themselves.

Off topic.

 

[Roadtoad]

Actually, no. I think if you're engaging in the idea that we ought to extinguish human life from this planet, you should demonstrate leadership by demonstrating how it's done.

 

[RandFan]

Actually, no. I think if you're engaging in the idea that we ought to extinguish human life from this planet, you should demonstrate leadership by demonstrating how it's done.

Yup, that was the point.

 

[Huntster]

Perhaps those who advocate the Hemlock Society ought to be full-fledged members, themselves.

Off topic.

If so, it's your fault, since it was you who brought it up:

...For those who are beyond that I would recommend you do yourself, the earth and all of us a great big favor and join the hemlock society and perhaps exercise your rights, soon.

You want folks dead?

Kill them yourself, if you have the balls.

Otherwise, shut up.

If you're a fan of the Hemlock Society, do us all a favor and join. Implement their "final solution" quietly.

Just go away.........

 

[Roadtoad]

Odd, given your remarks about Fowlsound. I also consider RandFan a friend. The man has stood by me in times of crisis. The least I can do is support him when he's right.

He's not advocating people dying. He's saying, if you want the human race to voluntarily extinguish itself, lead the way. Kill yourself first, and show us how it's done. The rest of us are rather fond of of respiration, and all that goes with it. We'll pass, thanks.

 

[RandFan]

If so, it's your fault, since it was you who brought it up:

It was a rhetorical device.

You want folks dead?

Kill them yourself, if you have the balls.

Well look at that, you are using the exact same logic and rhetorical device. Are you now going to kill yourself?

Otherwise, shut up.

If you don't like my post tell a moderator.

If you're a fan of the Hemlock Society, do us all a favor and join. Implement their "final solution" quietly.

Odd that you fail to see the irony.

Just go away.........

After Jedi Knight, Genghis Kahn, Life gazer, Paul Bethke, ICAN and countless others I'm going to go away simply because you tell me to? Sorry, no.

 

[Huntster]

Odd, given your remarks about Fowlsound. I also consider RandFan a friend. The man has stood by me in times of crisis. The least I can do is support him when he's right.

I can appreciate loyalty very much.

...He's not advocating people dying. He's saying, if you want the human race to voluntarily extinguish itself, lead the way. Kill yourself first, and show us how it's done. The rest of us are rather fond of of respiration, and all that goes with it. We'll pass, thanks.

Sorry, that's not what I read in his/her post.

I'm not much of a fan of those who try to advocate suicide. If RandFan wasn't doing so, I apologize.

 

[Huntster]

....You want folks dead?

Kill them yourself, if you have the balls.

Well look at that, you are using the exact same logic and rhetorical device. Are you now going to kill yourself?

Nope. I advocate the exact opposite.

Otherwise, shut up.

If you don't like my post tell a moderator.

No need to tattle. I deal with my enemies and opponents myself.

If you're a fan of the Hemlock Society, do us all a favor and join. Implement their "final solution" quietly.

Odd that you fail to see the irony.

Perhaps so.

I don't see it.

Just go away.........

After Jedi Knight, Genghis Kahn, Life gazer, Paul Bethke, ICAN and countless others I'm going to go away simply because you tell me to? Sorry, no.

Fair enough. I wouldn't go away if you advised me to. In fact, I'd stick around purposely.

I admit coming in to this thread late and not reading from the beginning. Are you advocating suicide ala the Hemlock Society?

 

[Polaris]

Present your evidence that Indians, Catholics, and American White Trash are ruining Earth.........

Work hard.......I'm prepared to show that many, many groups other than the above have been way, way more active in screwing things up...........



Please write clearly just what it is that China is doing about it.

Type the words.........

Let's hear those dirty words: population control. That's what China is doing about it - shocker that the people who ignore the Beijing 1-child policy are super-religious Muslims.

Catholics are creating more Catholics - I consider Catholicism to be a crime against humanity because of the self-perpetuating guilt, misery and suffering it brings to its followers (I'm a lapsed-Catholic myself). It also creates horrible situations where people are forbidden by the Vatican from using birth control, as if having more kids than you can afford to feed is better than slipping on a small sheet of latex. This is good, why?

American white trash suck the Welfare system, and create well above the 2 child replacement rate - and raise them in poverty and ignorance. They arrogantly produce human litters because they know they will lead to more money from everybody else just being handed to them. This is good, why?

Indians have a birth rate that will lead that nation to a higher population than China in a few decades. That population alone will be of a magnitude that may (or maybe not, but why should the world chance it?) exceed the capacity to feed it. This is good, why?

 

[Huntster]

Let's hear those dirty words: population control....

Yup. Those are the "dirty words".

...That's what China is doing about it - shocker that the people who ignore the Beijing 1-child policy are super-religious Muslims....

Since I'm not a "super-religious Muslim", I can't respond with authority, but it appears to me that the RCC is not ignoring the policy.

...Catholics are creating more Catholics - I consider Catholicism to be a crime against humanity because of the self-perpetuating guilt, misery and suffering it brings to its followers (I'm a lapsed-Catholic myself)....

It's my opinion that athiests are creating more athiests - I consider athiesm to be a crime against humanity because of the self-centered focus, misery, and suffering it brings to its followers.....

...It also creates horrible situations where people are forbidden by the Vatican from using birth control, as if having more kids than you can afford to feed is better than slipping on a small sheet of latex. This is good, why?...

Because it's nature.

...American white trash suck the Welfare system, and create well above the 2 child replacement rate - and raise them in poverty and ignorance. They arrogantly produce human litters because they know they will lead to more money from everybody else just being handed to them. This is good, why?...

It beats illegal immigration/invasion. Your children learn how to work by performing the labor necessary for basic life, instead of allowing "voluntary slavery", which translates to voluntary invasion.

...Indians have a birth rate that will lead that nation to a higher population than China in a few decades. That population alone will be of a magnitude that may (or maybe not, but why should the world chance it?) exceed the capacity to feed it. This is good, why?

The population of China is the equivalent of nearly 1/5 of the planet's humanity. They feed themselves.

For decades the United States, during the Cold War, was the bread basket of the world. We produce much more food even today than we consume, even though we are told that we are "fat" and "gluttonous".

I fed my family on a small truck farm, which supplemented my hunting for wild game and raising livestock. This in Alaska, with a growing season of less than 100 days.

Let me guess; for you, food originates at the grocery store.

You have no idea what can and will feed the Chinese and Indians. You don't even know who feeds you.

 

[RandFan]

Nope. I advocate the exact opposite.

I'm not advocating anything. I was simply engaging in rhetoric.

I admit coming in to this thread late and not reading from the beginning. Are you advocating suicide ala the Hemlock Society?

No, again, it was a rhetorical device. The subject of the thread isn't suicide. I don't advocate suicide. I was being provocative and rhetorical. I'm taking a position counter to the notion that there is anything intrinsically important about nature and that humans should, to some level, be sacrificed for the good of nature (wilderness).

 

[Huntster]

...I'm taking a position counter to the notion that there is anything intrinsically important about nature and that humans should, to some level, be sacrificed for the good of nature (wilderness).

Which humans should that be?

If there is nothing intrinsically important about nature, why should humans be sacrificed for the good of nature?

Don't you worship at the altar of evolution? Won't evolution cure all natural ills?

 

[RandFan]

Which humans should that be?

You are asking the wrong person since I don't hold that view. I hold the counter position which is why I used the word "counter".

If there is nothing intrinsically important about nature, why should humans be sacrificed for the good of nature?

That's my point, they shouldn't. Again, and this is getting tiring, I don't hold that view.

Don't you worship at the altar of evolution?

? What is the alter of evolution?

When I came to this forum I argued in favor of intelligent design. In fact ID was my very first debate. After some time of vigorously trying to defend that position I found that it was untenable.

Won't evolution cure all natural ills?

No and I don't know of a single person who advocates such a position. There's a fallacy in there somewhere.

 

[Huntster]

If there is nothing intrinsically important about nature, why should humans be sacrificed for the good of nature?

That's my point, they shouldn't. Again, and this is getting tiring, I don't hold that view.

Don't you worship at the altar of evolution?

? What is the alter of evolution?

The altar of evolution is that which rejects the God of Abraham, and worships the Earth, and Nature.

When I came to this forum I argued in favor of intelligent design. In fact ID was my very first debate. After some time of vigorously trying to defend that position I found that it was untenable.

You must be Christian if you came to argue ID.

I'm Christian, but I knew better than to go there. I came simply to brawl with God-haters.

I don't think ID has a political chance, even though I believe the theory has merit.

Won't evolution cure all natural ills?

No and I don't know of a single person who advocates such a position. There's a fallacy in there somewhere.

I believe that evolution will cure all natural ills.

You can call it "intelligent design", if you like............