The US shadow govt., a massive conspiracy

Hans said:
So you acknowledge you have no idea what you are talking about?

The Sunnis are far more numerous and wealthy and the far greater threat long term. Saggy your problem is you are trying to pretend you know stuff while your posts show that you haven't got a clue.

For a neo-Nazi wannabee you are laughing stock.

LOL

Edited to add: What does the image have to do with what you are talking about?



The Sunnis already have 130 warheads (estimate)
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Shia and Sunni are only dangerous when they leave their countries and come to ours. If they stay contained in their God forsaken waste lands--Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc--they present no danger to the United States or Europe.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Shia and Sunni are only dangerous when they leave their countries and come to ours. If they stay contained in their God forsaken waste lands--Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc--they present no danger to the United States or Europe.
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Parading your ignorance of the world outside America again, I see.

A couple of examples of Iranian architecture, from Isfahan and Shiraz.

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I could also mention that much of the devastation in the other countries you mention was caused by the US and its allies.

I strongly recommend doing some basic research before posting. These countries have a long and rich history, exquisite architecture, and a great deal of literary and culinary prowess. Not to mention being the cradle of civilisation. You embarrass yourself and your country by airily dismissing these countries as "God-forsaken wastelands", whilst displaying a total lack of sympathy for the victims of the conflicts there.
 
Iran is a wasteland. So is Kansas. A few pretty pictures don't change that.
 
Travis said:
Iran is a wasteland. So is Kansas. A few pretty pictures don't change that.
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So apart from the evidence that Iran is not a wasteland, it is, in your opinion.
Nice.

Have you actually visited Iran? I have, and it is by no means a wasteland.

Unless we're going by the standard American definition, in which a wasteland is anywhere that isn't America.
 
Saggy said:
Only one person to my knowledge is trying to wrest control of US foreign policy from the deep state, and he has introduced an amendment to repeal the Authorization for the Use of Force Act which is the fig leaf the Deep State has used to attack 7? countries in the last 16 years ....

Rand Paul: Why we must repeal the 16-year-old Authorization for the Use of Military Force
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If it is possible for the US Senate to change military policy, then it is not controlled by the Deep State.
Thank you for debunking your own argument.
/End thread.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Shia and Sunni are only dangerous when they leave their countries and come to ours. If they stay contained in their God forsaken waste lands--Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc--they present no danger to the United States or Europe.
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Actually they do, they seek converts in those nations. While also seeking to influence those Muslims already there, to do their bloody bidding.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
So apart from the evidence that Iran is not a wasteland, it is, in your opinion.
Nice.

Have you actually visited Iran? I have, and it is by no means a wasteland.

Unless we're going by the standard American definition, in which a wasteland is anywhere that isn't America.
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I've been to Iran, briefly, but I worked in the region for decades and knew a large number of Iranians and I'm about to publish a book that records a 19th century expedition that passed thru that country to the Central Asia. I know a bit about Iran. Sucky government, lovely country & good people (mostly).
 
Saggy said:
Only one person to my knowledge is trying to wrest control of US foreign policy from the deep state, and he has introduced an amendment to repeal the Authorization for the Use of Force Act which is the fig leaf the Deep State has used to attack 7? countries in the last 16 years ....

Rand Paul: Why we must repeal the 16-year-old Authorization for the Use of Military Force

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Strangely Saggy Rand Paul doesn't mention the Jews or the deep state. Do you ever read your own links?
 
Giordano said:
That is not logical- if they really believed in what they claim they must realize that they are making themselves targets for the most immoral, most powerful, most lawless conspiracy on the planet, a conspiracy with the means and motivation to track them down and disappear them, or frame them for a crime, or simply have them "meet with an accident." I could accept it if someone believed in such a conspiracy and then quietly and carefully went to work to secretly undermine it. But to shout it into the vacuum of cyberspace achieves little and certainly (given the magnitude of the conspiracy) would allow the "truther" to be tracked down (do you really believe that the NSA cannot identify members of ISF if sufficiently motivated?).

Obviously I do not believe any of this crap, but I suspect neither do the advocates who profess it. So the good news is that we are both safe.
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Many really do believe it and then act in totally illogical ways. My sister is one of them. She thinks some secret organized group is out to kill her by remote weapon and public harassment (gangstalking). Hundreds of conspirators track her every move, installing all sorts of devices but always cover up before she can share the evidence. There is an entire internet subculture that validate her. Lots of books and videos too!
She will swear she will be dead by morning but doesn't take any drastic action to prevent it other than pillows on her head.

I've learned not to even ask "If that is true, why don't you..."
It's turtles all the way down from there.

It's a bit like stories of evil haunted houses where the victims claim the spirits are out to kill them but they don't leave the house. There is some underlying willingness to remain in the danger. There is a purpose to the danger itself.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
He also doesn't seem too bothered about "risking all" by going public on this issue.

Neither, for that matter, does Saggy.
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Yes the super deadly 'deep state', that doesn't actually kill the people who are exposing it.....Saggy refused to explain why the 'da joos' allow him to exist and to try and spread his message of hate!

It's kinda comical in a sick sort of way.
 
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Saggy said:
Paul's speech on the amendment to end the AUMF, probably the best thing heard in the US Congress in the last 15 years ...

Incredible speech! Senator Rand Paul on America's unlimited, unconstitutional wars (NDAA/AUMF)(Full)

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The next day, the Congress kills the amendment .... Zion rules the US thru the Deep State .....

Senators KILL Rand Paul's Amendment To Force Congress To Vote On Current Wars
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All part of the constitutional government. How come the 'deep state' cannot control you and Rand Paul?
 
Deep State/Shadow Gub'mint gets the blame from people who don't know or understand how the government works.

Example: Obama came into office with a list of promises that he never kept because there's a big difference between what you think can be done, and what can actually be done. His big promise was to get us out of Iraq, and when negotiations with the Iraqi government stalled over legal status the President threw in the towel, and claimed the job was done.

He sent troops back to Iraq three years later thanks to ISIS, a problem we helped create.

Pulling out of Iraq proved to be a problem wrought with unforeseen consequences of which the US is obligated to deal with.

Obama came to power after the big '07 Crash with promises of infrastructure improvements which included "Shovel Ready Jobs". The vision was along the lines of FDR's WPA, but the problem is that FDR didn't have the EPA gumming up the works. Projects have to wait for EIR's and review, and amended EIR's before work can start. Many of the projects introduced in 2009/2010 are still only in the planning stages.

Not sure how a Shadow Government benefits from any of this.

How does Israel benefit with the weapons stolen from the former arsenals of Iraq, Syria, and Libya now in the hands of hundreds of thousands of freshly minted militants created by our adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan? Those weapons will eventually be pointed at them, so how is our continued campaigns against Al Qaeda and ISIS a good thing for Israel?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Parading your ignorance of the world outside America again, I see.

A couple of examples of Iranian architecture, from Isfahan and Shiraz.

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I could also mention that much of the devastation in the other countries you mention was caused by the US and its allies.

I strongly recommend doing some basic research before posting. These countries have a long and rich history, exquisite architecture, and a great deal of literary and culinary prowess. Not to mention being the cradle of civilisation. You embarrass yourself and your country by airily dismissing these countries as "God-forsaken wastelands", whilst displaying a total lack of sympathy for the victims of the conflicts there.
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There's no doubt these places can point to greatness in their past. My point is that the present day population does not present a danger to the United States if they stay where they are. Only when they come to our lands do they become dangerous. Since there's so much beauty in their God forsaken wastelands, they should stay where they are. And, yes, the United States should stop interfering over there. Countries in the middle east can fight their wars without our help.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
There's no doubt these places can point to greatness in their past. My point is that the present day population does not present a danger to the United States if they stay where they are. Only when they come to our lands do they become dangerous. Since there's so much beauty in their God forsaken wastelands, they should stay where they are. And, yes, the United States should stop interfering over there. Countries in the middle east can fight their wars without our help.
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Ah an isolationist. Okay what happens if the Middle-East oil supply is disrupted, now that would not be initially dangerous to the US but deadly to India, China, Japan and Europe - what then - ignore that too?

What about if the Arabs got organized and attacked Israe. Israel is about to be overrun and goes nuclear, the Iranians and Pakistani get involved 2-300 warheads go off poisoning the planet - you think that might cause a problem in Kansas?
 
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