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The Unstoppable Hillary Juggernaut

Puppycow

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I for one welcome our inevitable new overlady.

All signs now are starting to point in one direction: Hillary will be our next president, barring some kind of major new scandal or gaffe on her part.

The Polls

Every recent poll seems to be saying the same thing: Hillary beats every Republican candidate in the field by a wider margin than alternative democrats, and even her "high negatives," which people pointed to as a reason why she couldn't win in the general election seem to be going down. In one poll 58% said they would either definitely vote for her or consider it, which is as good as or better than all the other candidates. The 30% who would "definitely" vote for her is 9% higher than the next highest candidate.

The Betting Markets

Hillary's "stock" is worth triple that of Giuliani, the next highest contender. The next guy after Giuliani isn't even a candidate (Gore). Gore seems to have a little spike because of the Nobel, but unless he jumps in right now, I think we can assume that he's really not running.

I have to say I think she's pretty much got it sewed up already. She still could mess it up, but so far she seems to be disciplined enough that I doubt she will.

So, who would be a good veep pick? Obama? Richardson? Dodd? Mark Warner? Someone unpredictable like Anthony Zinni (former Marine Commandant who opposed the Iraq war)?
 
Good point. Would he be interested in another term as VP, however?

Plus, I would expect she would want to pick someone different this time.
 
The scary thing is, Hillary is actually the best candidate at the moment. This doesn't mean I suddenly like her, only that she is the best of a pathetic crop of candidates.

And just imagine if she picks Bill as her running mate!
 
I would hardly say she has the presidency locked up. She will in all likelihood secure the Democratic nomination. Last I heard it's not as though she's running way ahead of the pack in Iowa, though she's way too disciplined to allow for a Dean-like "meltdown" if she disappoints there). However, there's a huge difference between beating all the other wimpy Democrats, and then facing up against a Republican. Plus, the base loathes Hillary Clinton and will do whatever it can to make sure she loses, even if she wins. The nomination process is still open for the Republicans, so just wait until they settle on a candidate. I still don't see how they 9/11 Giuliani 9/11 could be their front-runner. Talk about a "flip-flopper." On paper, barring the Mormonism and the state he is from, Romney should have been their natural choice. All of their candidates basically suck though, except I sort of like Huckabee on a personal level. I would vote for Chuck Hagel before I would vote for Hillary Clinton.
 
Puppycow said:
Good point. Would he be interested in another term as VP, however?

Plus, I would expect she would want to pick someone different this time.
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Big Al won't be taking any Veep offer from Hillary, methinks.

Now a big Cabinet position? Maybe a newly created "czar" of something or other, environmental wise? Slim possibility.

I'm trying to figure on who She will pick for Veep and have no good ideas. It won't be any of the Dem candidates. Won't be Bill, won't be Big Al. I'm guessing it will NOT be a woman. The choice will not be someone considered a radical "leftie". Hillary, as the most scrutinized (and perhaps criticized) person on the planet, will have to be extremely shrewd in her choice.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I don't think she can, because if she were to die he'd become president for a third term.
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But he wouldn't be elected POTUS. Per the 22nd Amendment:
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
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So Bill could serve as Vice President?
 
Hillary is certain to win the Dem's nod, but as to the general election? That's what scares me. There is such a fierce torrent of anti-Hillary sentiment in this country that her nomination just plays into the hands of Republican Mudmasters. I think any other Democrat would win handily because of scandal-generated apathy among the GOP faithful. The only thing that can get them energized is the thought of Horrible Hllary in the White House.

It's kind of funny because a year or two ago there were a lot of Republicans giving her grudging praise for her work in Congress. She is undoubtedly the best qualified candidate of either party (Edwards is close) and has built a reputation for being able to reach across the aisle.

But she's still Hillary. That may be all it takes to sink her.
 
WildCat said:
But he wouldn't be elected POTUS. Per the 22nd Amendment:

So Bill could serve as Vice President?
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I don't think the situation's come up before, but I still think it wouldn't be allowed. Even if it managed to pass the Constitutional issue, I think the voters would shy away from the possibility. That two-term limit is really ingrained the American psyche by this point.
 
Tricky said:
But she's still Hillary. That may be all it takes to sink her.
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Hillary's been carefully sculpting her image the last few years, and voters have a short memory. I don't think her past baggage will hurt her much.
 
Tricky said:
Hillary is certain to win the Dem's nod, but as to the general election? That's what scares me. There is such a fierce torrent of anti-Hillary sentiment in this country that her nomination just plays into the hands of Republican Mudmasters. I think any other Democrat would win handily because of scandal-generated apathy among the GOP faithful. The only thing that can get them energized is the thought of Horrible Hllary in the White House.

It's kind of funny because a year or two ago there were a lot of Republicans giving her grudging praise for her work in Congress. She is undoubtedly the best qualified candidate of either party (Edwards is close) and has built a reputation for being able to reach across the aisle.

But she's still Hillary. That may be all it takes to sink her.
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I think, Trick, that once we get through the primaries and Hillary is obviously victorious there: She'll really turn up the heat on whomever the pathetic Republican opponent is. I pity the fool (not really).

I think, as She is made much more visible by getting the nomination, that some of this knee-jerk anti-Hillary hatred will dissipate. Look at everything this woman has been through, so far. And she is STILL far ahead of the entire pack, Dem or Repub. If She can weather this, with aplomb? She's more than tough enough to handle the mere U.S. Presidency.

This seems to be true: Of all the candidates, Republican or Democratic, Hillary Clinton appears to be the most "presidential". She has that poise, that certitude of leadership.
 
Regarding Bill as veep, the Hillary campaign has already said that they won't do that, and that in any case it's their understanding that it wouldn't be allowed.

Politically I don't think it would be the right choice even if it is technically allowed.

Tricky said:
Hillary is certain to win the Dem's nod, but as to the general election? That's what scares me. There is such a fierce torrent of anti-Hillary sentiment in this country that her nomination just plays into the hands of Republican Mudmasters. I think any other Democrat would win handily because of scandal-generated apathy among the GOP faithful. The only thing that can get them energized is the thought of Horrible Hllary in the White House.

It's kind of funny because a year or two ago there were a lot of Republicans giving her grudging praise for her work in Congress. She is undoubtedly the best qualified candidate of either party (Edwards is close) and has built a reputation for being able to reach across the aisle.

But she's still Hillary. That may be all it takes to sink her.
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But the polls I linked to seem to indicate that people are warming up to her. 58% say they would at least consider voting for her, and no other candidate does any better than that (Obama has similar numbers but fewer who would "definitely" vote for him. Mitt Romney's numbers for example are the mirror opposite: 57% say they would "definitely not" vote for him.

Also, more people are probably going to be interested in competance this time around and less interested in likability.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I don't think the situation's come up before, but I still think it wouldn't be allowed. Even if it managed to pass the Constitutional issue, I think the voters would shy away from the possibility. That two-term limit is really ingrained the American psyche by this point.
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I don't know... I think it would be... certainly as legal as all the signing statements of the current Potus. It could make for a very interesting election. I think many people in the United States were in a better situation than they are now under Clinton's presidency, and the fond memories of such could make the Clinton/Clinton ticket an exciting prospect.
 
I have said it before that one advantage Hillary has over the other Democrats is that all her skeletons are out. There's no Swift boat controversy waiting in the wings for Republicans to pull out - they've already used all their best ammunition. As commented above, that she is still standing after all of this is a sign of just how strong she is.
 
pgwenthold said:
I have said it before that one advantage Hillary has over the other Democrats is that all her skeletons are out. There's no Swift boat controversy waiting in the wings for Republicans to pull out - they've already used all their best ammunition. As commented above, that she is still standing after all of this is a sign of just how strong she is.
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Wait until it comes out that she is a lesbian! :eek:
 
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