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The Ultimate Unstoppable Chi Warrior

thaiboxerken said:
Yet, true "masters" of Chi tend to remain obscure and unknown.
But not quite so obscure and unknown that they don't appear on TV all the time breaking stuff on bits of themselves.

"We are the super mystical and mysterious masters of Dong. We train in secret for years to use our powers for amazing things."
"Here's 50K for a show at the town hall"
"We're doing a variety performance on Channel 5 on Tuesday. How's Thursday?"

It seems like all the truly amazing stuff they can do (superhuman jumping, falling etc.) the reserve for private. Why? Nobody knows...
 
Years ago a famous World War three fighter pilot came through my hometown and told me there was a movie moment I had waited my life for. We went to Raiders of the Lost Ark. He wouldn't tell me which moment but you know it.

It seems that if you let the Chi out, twenty years of martial arts training is worth about $0.27
 
Ashles said:
It seems like all the truly amazing stuff they can do (superhuman jumping, falling etc.) the reserve for private. Why? Nobody knows...
Ancient Chinese secret!



.....Oh, I do apologize. Please continue.
 
alfaniner said:
So, he traveled from the future then?

If people from the future have nothing better to do than travel back in time to watch Lucas/Spielburg movies with us, I'm killing myself RIGHT now.
 
tedly said:
We went to Raiders of the Lost Ark. He wouldn't tell me which moment but you know it.

It seems that if you let the Chi out, twenty years of martial arts training is worth about $0.27
Apparently that was only in there because the fancy planned choreography kept going wrong. And finally, fed up with it all, Harrison Ford decided to emulate Alexander the Great.

And got the best moment of the film!

Rolfe.
 
The ancient chinese cursed springs.

"Mr. Customer fall in spring of Drowned Chi Master."

"Very Tragic tale of chi master that tried to fly but drowned in spring, two thousand year ago."

"Now, whoever fall in spring take body of fool."
 
I haven't watched an episode of Ranma 1/2 for a few years now. That was a great show.
 
Rolfe said:
OK, you win! (I wonder if I was told a bowdlerised version of the story by someone with delicate sensibilities?)

I know that Ford was responsible for quite a lot of serious improvements to the script of The Empire Strikes Back, so it certainly makes sense that it was his idea, anyway.

Rolfe.

Yes! *claims her No-Prize*

I have heard that he's responsible for the classic exchange before Han is frozen. And the way he delivers it made it even better.

ETA: Didn't this thread have a point that was made by science and maths?
 
I have little to add here that hasn't already been done. From most of what I have read or experienced, the idea of Chi is a tool used by martial arts teachers for those who need something spiritual to their martial arts.

I experienced it in my own Tae Kwondo classes. One girl could not for the life of her break a board. It's not hard. They're specifically sawed to be easy to break (with the grain). I was breaking boards at 4, but this girl was in her Mid-20s, and was under the impression that breaking them was hard. Master Park told her to "focus her energy", and "visualize her energy into her hands". Sure enough, she broke the board.

It was about a month after that I actually asked Master Park about the "energy". (He was really intimidating) He explained to me that he had never believed in "energy" (ki, chi, whatever), but it helped people believe in themselves.

It works in another form, as well. Imagine you are a top martial artist, and another martial artist does something in demonstration you cannot imagine possible. If he explains that it was because of some mysical force, you might think twice about attacking him.

Card tricks aren't magical or mysical either, but they still take us aback. As I say, "Chi" (Qi)" is a tool, not real or right, but it's there.

I take the middle ground on this one. If you tell someone to focus their chi, and it helps them advance, I have no problem with that. If you tell someone that they can leap from 10 stories using their chi, that's another thing, and I will argue against you to the end.

Another warning... A lot of Chi proponents point to Bruce Lee as a believer. He was not. He was very much a skeptic. He was disillusioned with the mysticim very early in his life. "I refer to my hands, feet and body as the tools of the trade. The hands and feet must be sharpened and improved daily to be efficient. It is true that the mental aspect of kung-fu is the desired end; however, to achieve this end, technical skill must come first."

He was one of the first martial artists to use cross training, (which made him effective), and was very critical of Shaolin tricks (breaking spears on the neck, etc.)

He also hated bullsh** claims. He looked at other "insta-awesome" martial arts schools. He said something to the effect of (not a quote, just a paraphrase) 'I have heard of the 90lb woman taking down the 200 lb mugger. My suggestion is to kick his groin and run as fast as your legs can carry you'.

Well, this turned out to be way longer than expected. Sorry if it was too long winded.
 
I was worried that I'd missed an opportunity in this thread, until I saw TBK had posted towards the end of the first page.
 
This particular kung fu nerd didn't care for bullshido.com. I think he'll be a part of the rad ki network soon.
 
thaiboxerken said:
This particular kung fu nerd didn't care for bullshido.com. I think he'll be a part of the rad ki network soon.

He wasn't a good poster plus he is very thin-skinned and whiny say goodnight gracie
 
Oh, just in case I didn't make myself clear in my post, Chi does NOT exist. The IDEA is the tool that is sometimes used. I re-read my post, and I was kind of vague about it. Don't want to be more of a fence walker than I already am.

I just realized how much the name for this thread sounds like a Shaw Brothers' Kung Fu epic - Starring Gordon Liu, as a wandering con artist with a natural ability he can't explain, until he meets a Shaolin monk... etc.:p
 
There clearly IS a limit to how resilient a human body can be made by conditioning. It's well short of ten storey jumps, but how good could we be? Some people can perform feats of strength, agility speed and resilience which are way ahead of the norm.

(One day while running around a park at home, I was shocked to be passed by a young woman who was, effortlessly, running at nearly twice my best speed. I felt a bit better when I realised it was Yvonne Murray- at that time an active Commonwealth - level athlete. It was the first time I had realised the difference between a decent plodder and a real runner).

I wonder what the limits actually are. I note that many sports records , while still improving, seem to be converging on limits, the improvements growing smaller each year.

Given the money in sports sponsorship these days, some numbers must have been crunched somewhere.
 
Soapy Sam said:
I wonder what the limits actually are. I note that many sports records , while still improving, seem to be converging on limits, the improvements growing smaller each year.
I remember a discussion while I was doing my PhD. My supervisor was bemoaning the fact that racehorse persormance wasn't improving steadily, like human athletic performance is, in spite of major effort. "I can't believe we've got to the absolute limits of thoroughbred performance already," he remarked.

My immediate thought (unvoiced, I fear) was, why not? Generation interval of only about three years. Deliberate selective breeding for exactly that trait for hundreds of years. No expense spared as regards top quality diet and training regimens. It would be a bloody miracle if there was anything left to squeeze out of it!

Not only that, but the human race still seems to be coming out of a trough of poor physical development apparently caused by poor nutrition and environment in the earlier years of the industrial revolution. It's always been amazing to me that this effect has persisted through the germ lines for so many generations, but there's no doubt that physique (most obviously height) is still improving generation by generation and it sure ain't evolution over that time span.

But eventually we'll get to the place where the thoroughbred racehorse is - or at least those lucky enough to have the gene combinations that we don't deliberately breed for in this society will get there - and the record books will start gathering dust the same way the equine record books are.

Right now my objective is to break the new speed limit outside this house - on a bicycle. I'll let you know.

Rolfe.
 
I'll try to make this simple.

You will accelerateuniformly due to gravity, reaching about 22.1 m/s before you hit the ground. This will take 2.26 seconds.

If you then allow 0.7 m for absorbing the impact and assume constant deceleration (not exactly accurate, but a useful approximation), then you will find it takes .06 seconds to stop. This would be 35.7 "g"s.

Just to make this a little more simple: you are using .7m to reverse the velocity from 25m of falling. If you want to know how many "g"s this would take, just divide the 25m by .7m and it will give you the same ratio. When you assume constant acceleration and deceleration, it will be in the same ratio as the distances.

One major factor is that we've said it's 0.7m to absorb the impact. That might be the average. As was pointed out, your head does have a little more distance, so maybe your brain doesn't see the same kind of damage. However, this works both ways. Think about how fast your feet have to stop moving...

Guess why people who fall from a height always break their legs if they try to land on their feet. If your legs are stiff, then your hips are also going to stop that quickly. That's why skydivers practice landing with their knees bent.
 

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