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[JohnG]

Yes, don't be hard on TellTale Tom. He's only a truther for comic effect (& he's very good at it, too).

I've said it before and I'll say it again; there are days when it feels like 95% of the people who post on the web are either children/mentally ill/mentally subpar or are merely pretending to be children/mentally ill/mentally subpar for supposedly provocative and/or satiric effect. This can start to feel a little tired for the remaining 5% who would just like to have a reasonably sane, civil and intelligent conversation, and let's face it, most of these self-styled satirists don't exactly exhibit Swiftian levels of wit and erudition.

I could see the point in someone pretending to be a Truther on a Truther-dominated site and seeing just how stupid they can pretend to be before someone catches on, but what's the point in doing it on a "Debunker" site like this where the general consensus is that anyone who espouses Truther views is either deeply ignorant and/or a troll?

 

[MikeW]

I could see the point in someone pretending to be a Truther on a Truther-dominated site and seeing just how stupid they can pretend to be before someone catches on, but what's the point in doing it on a "Debunker" site like this where the general consensus is that anyone who espouses Truther views is either deeply ignorant and/or a troll?

I can think of a few possibilities. Maybe it's to see if other truthers will accept you, even if you're talking nonsense; perhaps it's to make the point that many of us here can't tell the difference between real and parody truthers; or maybe the author is just tired of "you're a stupid twoofer" posts and wants to make fun of them in a more creative way.

Whatever the reason, it works for me. Telltale Tom's made some very funny posts & long may they continue.

 

[JohnG]

I can think of a few possibilities. Maybe it's to see if other truthers will accept you, even if you're talking nonsense; perhaps it's to make the point that many of us here can't tell the difference between real and parody truthers; or maybe the author is just tired of "you're a stupid twoofer" posts and wants to make fun of them in a more creative way.

Whatever the reason, it works for me. Telltale Tom's made some very funny posts & long may they continue.

I understand what you are saying, I just think pretending to be a Truther on a Truther dominated* site would have more bite than on a Debunker dominated site. As far as testing skeptics to see if they can tell real "Truthers" from, um, "False Truthers", I think there's a big difference between being able to determine whether or not 9/11 was an inside job and whether or not some anonymous poster is being completely sincere about their own opinions and viewpoints. Don't forget also that there have been plenty of Truthers who have sincerely said the sorts breathtakingly dumb things that a Troll/Satirist would dismiss as "giving the game away".

Or to put it another way; Truthers are stranger than fiction**




* by "dominated" I simply mean a site where the majority of posters fall into a certain ideological camp, not necessarily that the owners/admins/mods of the site also fall into the same camp.

** Alas, a quick Google search confirms that I did not coin that clever phrase. Oh well, just like I always say, "there's nothing new under the sun".

 

[MikeW]

I just think pretending to be a Truther on a Truther dominated* site would have more bite than on a Debunker dominated site.

You're right, of course, but maybe Telltale Tom just wants to have some easy fun here. And why not? Posts like this are just as cutting as the comments most other people would make. I guess all I'm saying is it's a good joke, let's just allow him to run with it.

 

[beachnut]

So we are up at 1194 petitions signers for the ae911truth in two and half months, which means there is almost 2 a day. ...

Pity Kamal only spoke about WTC 7 as I would like to have heard him explain how the WTC 1 and 2 could not have collapsed from these small fires.

ae911truthlies find two morons/month. Is this your post and run update on stupidity, or how Gage fools the gullible?

Small fires?; your delusional ae911truthlies are small time liars.

8 years and all you have is 1194 fools who can't make rational conclusions on 911. A list copied and archived for all time; we have at best a list of who is buying beer for a life time of shame, at worse fools who disrespect out of stupidity the lives of those lost on 911.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

So we are up at 1194 petitions signers for the ae911truth in two and half months, which means there is almost 2 a day. At this rate we should reach 2,000 just before the 10th anniversary and 5,000 by the 15th anniversary.

Check out the latest video of the May 2010 double header of ae911truth and Firefighters911truith. There is a link on the ae911truth web site to a 2hr 30 min video. It is a wonderfully orchestrated presentation. Richard Gage, the Architect of Destruction, leads a congregation of believers. He made a joint presentation with his disciples. These were a firefighter expert, who claims to have been nearly part of the 9/11 recovery effort and has written a book, and a structural engineer expert, Kamal Obeid ( I looked for him on line and all I could find is that in April 2008 he was working on a project that was resurfacing a tennis court,) and he was joined by a demolition "expert" and he once worked for Americas biggest demolition company for two and a half years where he was a qualified explosives "loader" and he has also written a book.

I think these books should be called " The Books of Truth"

I particularly liked the Collection. Midway through the event, at the transition between the evidence on WTC 7 and WTC 1 and 2 there was the Collection. Richard thanks the audience for paying the entrance fee and then tells everyone how much they need monthly subs and how much they need . They then they circulated the symbolic black boxes and asked everyone in the audience to put in a twenty.! It was so well done, it brought a tear to my eye.

Richard Gage was very proud that they now have 40 structural engineers from around the world who have signed the petition, which I find quite amazing. Although Kamal said that this number was pathetic. Pity Kamal only spoke about WTC 7 as I would like to have heard him explain how the WTC 1 and 2 could not have collapsed from these small fires.

This is sarcasm, right?

 

[CORed]

1. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration

Where to truthers get the idea that falling objects taking the "path of greatest resistance" is evidence of anything at all? If I hold a little rock above a big rock and release it, it falls on the big rock. I guess truthers would expect the falling little rock to swerve and go around the big rock, so as to take the "path of least resistance".

 

[DGM]

Where to truthers get the idea that falling objects taking the "path of greatest resistance" is evidence of anything at all? If I hold a little rock above a big rock and release it, it falls on the big rock. I guess truthers would expect the falling little rock to swerve and go around the big rock, so as to take the "path of least resistance".

I'd like to see them prove it actually happened. The building did not fall in the "path of greatest resistance". Not by a long shot.

 

[Telltale Tom]

Where to truthers get the idea that falling objects taking the "path of greatest resistance" is evidence of anything at all? If I hold a little rock above a big rock and release it, it falls on the big rock. I guess truthers would expect the falling little rock to swerve and go around the big rock, so as to take the "path of least resistance".

So you admit that the big rock provides the greatest resistance to the little rock's downward trajectory. And so you would be surprised if the little rock fell through the big rock or demolished the big rock. It sounds like you are a Heiwa supporter and you should sign the ae9111truth petition.

It is poor analogies such as yours that give the ae911truth the belief to continue. thank you.