The UFO And Alien Disclosure

The point is that if it is REAL, we'll all KNOW soon enough. This won't be what makes the world wake up to the reality of UFOs as alien technology. As say some sort of weird human technology.

Aliens aren't members of any world government or conspiracy....they don't need to hide and I expect they will make known why they are here if they ARE here.
 
I assume, just because of the number of stars of our type in the Universe that there is life, some of it likely intelligent, in the Universe. That very number and the distances between them make it exceptionally unlikely that we will run across any of them or vice-versa. Even if we are actually looking for each other even at light or "warp" speeds. Too many places, too little time.

Hope you enjoyed your video, I really don't need to - just based on the statistics and the science. Feel free to drop in for dinner and introduce an extraterrestial if you get a chance. I am willing to be proved wrong but words won't do it. Evidence does the real talking.
 
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fuelair said:
I assume, just because of the number of stars of our type in the Universe that there is life, some of it likely intelligent, in the Universe. That very number and the distances between them make it exceptionally unlikely that we will run across any of them or vice-versa. Even if we are actually looking for each other even at light or "warp" speeds. Too many places, too little time.

Hope you enjoyed your video, I really don't need to - just based on the statistics and the science. Feel free to drop in for dinner and introduce an extraterrestial if you get a chance. I am willing to be proved wrong but words won't do it. Evidence does the real talking.
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*But WHAT IF, they have always been 'here'...? IF U.F.O.'s weren't EXTRA-TERRESTERIAL, then they wouldn't have to spend time and energy scouting out the galaxy.

If their origins, were 'terresterial' or even oceanic, would THAT help you accept their possibile existance?

Not that I have any 'proof' of that either. :)
 
So, you want us to take seriously the idea that we've been sharing this planet with a technological civilization able to build such astonishing vehicles but never managed to leave a single reliable trace of its existence?

Where are their cities, dump deposits, mines, smelters, factories, etc?

Nope. This idea will not help me accepting UFOs (or some of them) are non-human craft.
 
"reliable trace"...?

No.

Imagine the elephant who shows back up to his herd, after being tagged and released-

"Guys these tiny, pink, two footed creatures captured me, and told me to calm down. Then they poked and prodded me, and finally they put this collar on me. The next thing I know, I wake up, and they are all gone, and I have this pounding headache."

Then the other elephants chime in-

"Carl has been in the poppy patch again."

"You probably just wandered into another craft crash, and that's were you got that weird collar."

"Look around Carl, if these tiny, pink, two footed things existed, we'd see evidence of their factories, dumps, and infrastructure EVERYWHERE. To date, only you and drunk Lenny claim to have seen them..."

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"Absense of evidence is NOT evidence of absense."
 
Have you ever noticed that humans leave reliable traces of their existence where elephants live? Garbage, tire marks, abandomned camps, not to mention villages...

Carl would just have to take his pals to the nearby camp, village, farm, etc. and point his trunk towards the pink bipedal creatures and their cars.

Absence of evidence CAN BE evidence of absence.

There are no evidences that a massive black hole is orbiting Earth right now. Does it means its not an evidence of the absence of a massive black hole orbiting our planet ?
 
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Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things.

ALL of his elephant friends think neither he nor Lenny actually saw anything. Garbage, tire marks, or old camps, 'COULD' have been faked, and since no one could 'scientifically test' these things or recreate them with actual pink beings, no one believes in them...so everyone refuses to waste their time in such futile endeavors.

Garbage could just fall out of the sky. Tire markes could be just fruit that baboons rolled in parallel lines, and old camps could be super smart ape club houses.

All it would take is one elephant to laughingly say, "Oh 'I' tagged Carl, after I slipped him a few poppies. In fact, I did the same thing to Lenny last year..."

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There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet.

Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us.
 
King of the Americas said:
...snip the elephants.

There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet.

Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us.
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That is not entirely correct.

Only a subset of black holes have this property. Small black holes could exist; however, they are extremely hard to detect. Maybe when QM and GR is more unified we will know more.

If a black hole as massive as a few thousand tons were to pass through a room, only a slight gravitational tug would be felt.
 
King of the Americas said:
Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things.
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Why do you assume the elephants have never made the trek to look? Maybe Carl has pulled the same stunt 20 times, and 20 times the elephants all patiently trundled over to have a peek. When the pink creature turned out to be an azalea bush for the 20th time, the rest of the elephants decided to stop wasting their time on the same nonsense.

Now, if Frank comes out claiming to see Carl and Lenny eating the flowers off of the azalea bush, some things may be explained.
 
Space_Ed said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Sit down watch it be quiet. You can skip the first superflous three minutes. Now is the time to change your mind. If you watch this and still don't believe it you are just as deluded and foolish as a creationist. Thankyou.

I recommend doing some background research on the events mentioned because you will find copious amounts of evidence supporting their statements. I have come across information from different sources stating that our species is under a subtle form of mind control and that we are much less likely to believe in extraterrestrial intelligence than we otherwise would be. Don't be weak minded.

I await the expected closed minded and ignorant responses.
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Not The Disclosure Project, Again! I won't go through more than the title screen. I promised my brain I would never subject it to another piece of crap from TDP.

Please... didn't we do a massive thread with LightShips-R-Us(or whatever his screen name was.... something with "light" in it) on the flying saucers from the Apollo Mission - also brought to you by these same wonderful folks at TDP.

I read through reams of their documents, and they're all the same as this video, appeals to authority with no evidence other than said authority.
 
King of the Americas said:
"I see nothing." is VERY different than "There is nothing to see."
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Ahh ... the Dungeon Master's Dilemma ...

PC THIEF: "I search the room for traps."
DM: "You do not find any traps."
PC THIEF: "I step into the center of the room."
DM: "You take 33 hit points of damage from the trap."
PC THIEF: "I had only 22 hit points."
DM: "Then you're dead."
PC THIEF: "You said there were no traps."
DM: "No, I said that you didn't find any traps."
PC THIEF: "Same thing!"
DM: "Quiet! Dead thieves don't talk back."
 
King of the Americas said:
Carl would have to convience his cohorts that there is at least the 'possibility', of seeing real tiny pink 2 footed creatures, for them to make the trek, TO look for evidence of such things.

ALL of his elephant friends think neither he nor Lenny actually saw anything. Garbage, tire marks, or old camps, 'COULD' have been faked, and since no one could 'scientifically test' these things or recreate them with actual pink beings, no one believes in them...so everyone refuses to waste their time in such futile endeavors.

Garbage could just fall out of the sky. Tire markes could be just fruit that baboons rolled in parallel lines, and old camps could be super smart ape club houses.

All it would take is one elephant to laughingly say, "Oh 'I' tagged Carl, after I slipped him a few poppies. In fact, I did the same thing to Lenny last year..."

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Last time I checked, elephants don't build things such as tagging collars and most of the things which can be found within our garbage... Here's all the evidence wich would be required to convince them of other sentient beings with a higher technological level.

Got some pieces of evidence like this available?

BTW, Carl's buddies would be right on spot, since the camps were made by super smart apes.

King of the Americas said:
There IS evidence that there is no black hole orbiting our planet.

Black holes are or have HUGE gravitational fields, so much so that the Sun's light wouldn't even get to us. The simple fact that we can SEE visible light from the Sun, IS evidence that there is no black hole anywhere near us.
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Oh, but look, this may be a different black hole, with different properties!

Or its orbit may be in such a way that it will never be between us and the Sun!

See? Same line of reasoning...
 
Foolmewunz said:
Not The Disclosure Project, Again! I won't go through more than the title screen. I promised my brain I would never subject it to another piece of crap from TDP.

Please... didn't we do a massive thread with LightShips-R-Us(or whatever his screen name was.... something with "light" in it) on the flying saucers from the Apollo Mission - also brought to you by these same wonderful folks at TDP.

I read through reams of their documents, and they're all the same as this video, appeals to authority with no evidence other than said authority.
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Just shows that deluded folk can organize. :)

M.
 
"EVERYTIME some reports a UFO, we investigate and find that they DIDN'T see alien craft, but rather just some mis-identified NORMAL event or object.

So we have decided that UFO's don't exist, and we won't be investigating any more sightings."

That sound perfectly scientific and reasonable to me!

*Insert roll eyes icon here.*
 
King of the Americas said:
"EVERYTIME some reports a UFO, we investigate and find that they DIDN'T see alien craft, but rather just some mis-identified NORMAL event or object.

So we have decided that UFO's don't exist, and we won't be investigating any more sightings."

That sound perfectly scientific and reasonable to me!

*Insert roll eyes icon here.*
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Now that's not true, and you likely know it; you're just making rhetorical points on your scorecard. Many of us have stated many a time that ET and UFOs are in that category of things referred to, to use the technical term, as "Wouldn't it be cool if....?" Bigfoot, Nessie, Telekinesis, Mindreading... they'd all be fun, but the problem is we just haven't seen any evidence that can't be debunked (or that isn't a blurry hand-held or doctored video).

No one's actually said, "Cease With These Investigations". More like, cease posting crap and claiming it's proof!
 
King of the Americas said:
"EVERYTIME some reports a UFO, we investigate and find that they DIDN'T see alien craft, but rather just some mis-identified NORMAL event or object.

So we have decided that UFO's don't exist, and we won't be investigating any more sightings."

That sound perfectly scientific and reasonable to me!

*Insert roll eyes icon here.*
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The point is what is there to investigate? After reading hundreds, if not thousands, of UFO reports, all one can conlude is that an individual saw something they could not identify. Consider this very important point: A significant majority of UFO sightings can be explained as misperceptions/hoaxes. Depending on the UFO organization/UFOlogist you ask, this number is anywhere between 75-95%. If 75-95% of the sightings are mistakes/hoaxes, how good are the other 5-25%? Could they simply be a combination of really good hoaxes that fool people and are not exposed or a lot of mistakes poorly reported that can not be identified? That is not too far a stretch to reach. People make mistakes and can be confused no matter what the profession of the individual.

I recall reading Dr. William Hartmann stating something like "listing a bunch of unsolvable mysteries is not the same thing as actually solving mysteries" when talking about UFOs. All UFOlogy is good at is collecting a bunch of mystery stories and it is not really involved in trying to solve them. If they were, you would see a lot more definitive evidence. It is fun to speculate about but the fact is there are usually reasonable explanations. Perhaps you should read Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World". I was never a big Sagan fan until I read that book.
 
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