The twoofers complain to the BBC!

orwel @ LCF said:
The 911 Truth Movement has produced an enormous amount of unchallenged highly credible and very damning evidence. It has also produced many spurious claims, fringe theories, and debunked ideas. However, these lie on the periphery and not at the heart of the claims.

LMAO, yeah, I've noticed that. They have an "enormous amount" of evidence of... uh... something or other, they can't quite agree on what it is, but each one does know that all the other wacky theories are debunked fringe junk, while his own wacky theories are unchallenged and at the "heart of the claims." You need chaos theory to study this "movement."
 
From the FBI website:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

[SIZE=-1]The alleged terrorists on this list have been indicted by sitting Federal Grand Juries in various jurisdictions in the United States for the crimes reflected on their wanted posters. Evidence was gathered and presented to the Grand Juries, which led to their being charged. The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice. Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.[/SIZE]
 
This is someones blog attempting to debunk the BBC documentary

http://debunking-bbc.blogspot.com/

Hilariously it cites Steven Jones' thermite theory as a credible solution to the controlled demolition and also seems to think that B-25 hitting the Empire State Building is some kind of worthwhile precedent (****, may as well have cited that light plane crash last year too).
 
Hilariously it cites Steven Jones' thermite theory as a credible solution to the controlled demolition and also seems to think that B-25 hitting the Empire State Building is some kind of worthwhile precedent (****, may as well have cited that light plane crash last year too).

Killtown thinks that was an inside job.


'Nuff said.
 
Argh. This is mindblowingly stupid. Everything has been debunked. They are overwhelmingly desperate.

One small example. They use this article to comfirm there was 8 mile debris field confirmed by the FBI:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_12967.html

The debris was A PIECE OF PAPER BLOWN BY THE WIND!

In the very same article it says:

"FBI Special Agent Bill Crowley said experts from the National Transportation Safety Board had checked weather reports and determined that lightweight materials might well have traveled over the mountain by a southwest wind that reached a speed of 9 knots.

“The NTSB says it is not only plausible, but probable,” said Crowley."
 
Shayler and Meacher, yep. I don't know about the rest. But I think the BBC has probably had enough of Shayler.

If they'd given Shayler any airtime for his hologram theories I think people would've thought the programme was another Brasseye pisstake documentary.
 
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LOL - I sniggered at that for 2 seconds before I remembered you're actually not joking. Now I'm about to throw my keyboard at my monitor, so I'll go and have a ciggie and cool down.

Classic Killtown

OMFG!! I missed this the first time around. I'm amazed this thread has survived the usual Avery culling. The whole thread is comedy gold. My favourite quote....

NickJ1234 said:
Just look at the key points

1. 10/11/6 flipped upside-down is 9/1101
2. The crash happened on 72nd street and the building number was 524.
7+2 = 9 .. 5+2+4 = 11 .. 9/11!

I obviously thought this was a humourist mocking Killtown, but no!!!....

NickJ1234 said:
no, I am dead serious with the numbers. That is no coincidence my friend.

:jaw-dropp
 
If they'd given Shayler any airtime for his hologram theories I think people would've thought the programme was another Brasseye pisstake ocumentary.

They're rescreening 'The Day Today' on BBC4 right now. Somehow it seems appropriate/prescient/a case of life imitating art.

:jaw-dropp
 
Heh. from the above classic killtown thread.

starkid1987 said:
It is a possible theory. The question really isn't whether it hit or didnt hit. Who would stand to gain from the Yankees pitcher dying?
shecky said:
THEO EPSTEIN!

Actually, it was Steinbrenner making sure the Mets couldn't hold on to the back pages.

And killtown, please prove those parts were planted. Better yet, please tell me why my brother, who was one of the firefighters cleaning up the crash site, is lying (he's a die hard Yankee fan, so he was depressed).
 
Dear Dylan Avery - Director of "Loose Change"

On behalf of the general public, and in particular the members of the skeptic community, I would like to protest the content of your film "Loose Change".

I wish to make a formal complaint about the appalling coverage of the official story wrt 9/11, from beginning to end in your movie. I myself am an agnostic as concerns 911 being an inside job and from a detailed analysis of the evidence from both sides over a long period of time, I am deeply suspicious of anyone who is either certain 911 was an inside job or certain that it was not. The governemnt, NIST, FEMA, ASCE, FBI, CIA, have produced an enormous amount of unchallenged highly credible and very damning evidence. It has not produced many spurious claims, fringe theories, and debunked ideas.

Why then, in the 2 hours this program devoted to the issue, does it
a) Make false or misleading statements
B) Unjustifiably introduce bias
c) Give a disproportionate amount of airtime and credibility to "truthers" than to people actually involved in the 9/11 investigations.
d) Focus on speculation, hearsay, non-expert opinion, as opposed to the damning evidence provided by panels of scientists and engineers.

I will go through each in turn and for the sake of brevity mention the main flaws (a more detailed analysis would be voluminous).

a) False or misleading statements
1) The twin towers were brought down using Explosives. To date there is no solid evidence, no expert opinion that backs this up or supports this claim, yet you have it in your movie.
2) Pentagon hit by a missile. Once again, no proof a missile hit the pentagon, but there are hundreds of witnesses that saw a jet airliner hit it on 9/11.
3) Hijackers are still alive. Not one interview with any of the alleged "still alive" hijackers despite ample time (5 years) to obtain interviews from them.
4) Cellphone calls were faked. Despite the evidence from the Mousaui trial that the calls, with all but an occasional exception, were made from the planes airfones, you continue to promote the lies.

b)Introduction of Bias - Throughout the program the wording, tone of voice, editing and imagery was clearly designed to sway viewers away from the viewpoints of those in agreement with the official story of 911. Examples are too numerous to mention, so I will focus on one issue of "evidence";

Evidence - The documentary "Loose Change" despite numerous claims, provides not one single piece of solid physical evidence to back any of its claims, yet in promotes said ideas as the "truth".

c)Disproportionate airtime,
The inclusion of people such as Kevin Ryan, Yourself, Steven Jones, and other "truther" so called experts, while providing almost no time or interviews with real experts such as the scientists and engineers of NIST, the FBI agents, the CIA, or others leaves a clear feeling of whose side you fall on.

d)Focus on unfounded accusations and hearsay on the events of 9/11. Despite overwhelming evidence that the attacks were carried out by arab hijackers in the name of Al-Qaeda, using commercial jet airliners to crash into the WTCs and the Pentagon, you instead have chosen to focus on silly speculation such as "a missile hit the pentagon", "Controlled Demolition", "Remote Controlled Planes", "Thermite", and other speculative topics.


I am not a journalist, merely a concerned citizen. Let me reiterate, I am not convinced yet either way on this issue, I am just aware that there is still a lot of very damning evidence against Al-Qaeda and OBL. It is with this in mind that the blatant use of every kind of trick of bias, omission and manipulation in this documentary troubles me. I thought that American Citizens such as yourself were supposed to be fair and balanced when making a DOCUMENTARY. This programme was demonstrably biased and clearly made with some kind of agenda. The only other alternative is extreme incompetence which I find problematic due to the large amount of time, and effort invested in making this documentary.

Please explain yourselfs.

TAM - JREFer

:D

It would almost be worth signing up at the Loose With The Truth forum just to post that in order to see their reaction.

Of course, they would ban the poster instantly, and I don't have the time or inclination to play silly buggers with a bunch of juvenile miscreants, but your post still made me laugh out loud :)
 
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Posted this earlier in the BBC 9/11 forum:

Guy Smith, the programme's producer, has just been interviewed on BBC TV's Newswatch. He categorically and emphatically denied the 'two versions' story that the 9/11 truth movement has been circulating. He also disputed any notion of anti-CT bias - the programme makers went in with an open mind, followed good journalistic principles, gave the three leading CT-ers the air-time to explain themselves, and then went to primary evidence sources and eyewitnesses to see whether the theories stood up. The evidence spoke for itself. He also debunked the 'only 3 CT-ers interviewed against 11 non-sayers' whine - several of the non-sayers had only a few sentences broadcast, the CT-ers were interviewed in-depth.

End of story? I think not! :rolleyes:

PS Smith also said that it was hard enough to get funding to make one programme, never mind two!
 

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