The Truth about RFK Jr

Doctor Mike Rips Apart RFK Jr.’s Dangerous and Dishonest Agenda​


I had not heard of Dr Mike (an evidence based medicine doctor) until I watched this episode of The Bulwark. It's about 45 minutes long. If you don't want to invest that amount of time skip to the middle where he's very enlightened about RFK. It's well worth the time.

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Doctor Mike Rips Apart RFK Jr.’s Dangerous and Dishonest Agenda​


I had not heard of Dr Mike (an evidence based medicine doctor) until I watched this episode of The Bulwark. It's about 45 minutes long. If you don't want to invest that amount of time skip to the middle where he's very enlightened about RFK. It's well worth the time.

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I just listened to the whole thing. Long but content rich and it doesn't shy away from trying to get into the way complex issues are not black/white.
 
looks like we will give Cancer a pass, because the Cure involves mRNA vaccines:



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Clinical advances of mRNA vaccines for cancer immunotherapy - PubMed

The development of mRNA vaccines represents a significant advancement in cancer treatment, with more than 120 clinical trials to date demonstrating their potential across various malignancies, including lung, breast, prostate, melanoma, and more challenging cancers such as pancreatic and brain...
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The Great Zaganza said:
looks like we will give Cancer a pass, because the Cure involves mRNA vaccines:



pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clinical advances of mRNA vaccines for cancer immunotherapy - PubMed

The development of mRNA vaccines represents a significant advancement in cancer treatment, with more than 120 clinical trials to date demonstrating their potential across various malignancies, including lung, breast, prostate, melanoma, and more challenging cancers such as pancreatic and brain...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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I suppose that if mRNA vaccines are the greater threat to public health.......
 
The Great Zaganza said:
looks like we will give Cancer a pass, because the Cure involves mRNA vaccines:



pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clinical advances of mRNA vaccines for cancer immunotherapy - PubMed

The development of mRNA vaccines represents a significant advancement in cancer treatment, with more than 120 clinical trials to date demonstrating their potential across various malignancies, including lung, breast, prostate, melanoma, and more challenging cancers such as pancreatic and brain...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Don't worry. Non-USA labs will get to continue the work, leading to various cures. The USA can pay the tariffs on them if they want to buy them. Or they could...you know...die from cancer in purity and defiance because the vaccines are "foreign poisons".
 
At Beyond the Noise Dr. Paul Offit wrote, "By eliminating vaccines, he believes he can eliminate all manner of chronic diseases, including autism. Here is how he plans to do it...On June 18, 2025, RFK Jr. directed his newly appointed Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), which he recently stocked with members who have a history of anti-vaccine activity, to evaluate aluminum-containing adjuvants in vaccines. What are aluminum adjuvants and why are they in some vaccines? Aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines since 1926 to enhance the immune response, allowing for fewer doses and lesser quantities of vaccine components....For RFK Jr., however, none of these reassuring facts or studies about aluminum matter. Sometime in the next few months, he will hold up a poorly done study claiming that aluminum adjuvants cause autism or diabetes or multiple sclerosis or asthma or eczema. Then he will do something that could eliminate vaccine manufacture in the United States. And, if you don’t believe that, just look at what happened in the United States in the early 1980s."
 
RFK Jr. Reveals: Gardasil Vaccine 37x More Lethal Than Cervical Cancer It Prevents

"Gardasil is probably the single worst mass vaccine that we've ever seen. Vaccine targets millions of pre-teens and teens, for whom the risk of dying from cervical cancer is zero. Nobody in their right mind would ever take this vaccine if they actually read the clinical literature."

"Death rates in the Gardasil trial were 37 times the death rates for cervical cancer. Children who take that vaccine, the Gardasil vaccine, are 37 times more likely to die from the vaccine than they are to die from cervical cancer."

"So the problem with Gardasil, like most vaccines, is it was never tested against a true placebo, an inert placebo. And the CDC and HHS say... If you don't test it against a true placebo, it's not science. You have no way of gauging whether the injuries you're seeing from the product are being caused by that product or whether they're just bad, sad coincidences."

"The entity that is actually performing the study is, and paying for the study, is Merck. Merck got to decide which injuries were being caused by Gardasil and which were just bad coincidences and because it had that power it just wrote them all off as bad coincidences."

"You can do that when there's no placebo because the injuries they were seeing in the control group which where the girls were getting aluminum neurotoxins were identical to the injuries they were getting in the Gardasil group so they said well we don't have to report any of these as vaccine injuries. So they were able to license something that is insanely dangerous."
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At SBM in 2018 David Gorski wrote, "One of the more extreme claims about Gardasil and Cervarix that makes the rounds from time to time is that the vaccine is killing prepubscent girls. I’ve discussed a number of these cases over the years, both here and elsewhere. Suffice to say, when these cases are critically evaluated, the evidence for a link between Gardasil and the deaths attributed to the vaccine is almost always incredibly thin and unconvincing. One example is Annabelle Morin, whose mother Linda Morin blames Gardasil for her daughter’s death, even though it almost certainly did not cause her death. Another example is Jasmine Renata, whose death at a young age was cynically exploited by antivaxers. It even attracted our old antivaccine “friend,” scientist Christopher Shaw, to the proceedings, where he tried to convince New Zealand health authorities that HPV vaccination can cause sudden death and that it caused Renata’s death."

In 2025 he wrote, "Then there was something that I forgot to mention about RFK Jr. ACIP appointee Martin Kulldorff last week, namely that he has a rather massive conflict of interest with respect to HPV vaccines, having provided expert witness testimony against Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, for plaintiffs for plaintiffs accusing Merck of concealing the risks of Gardasil. Of note, in March, a federal judge in North Carolina ruled in favor of Merck."

FactCheck wrote, "For instance, the currently available version of the human papillomavirus vaccine is Gardasil-9, which was compared with the prior version of Gardasil in clinical trials...Anti-vaccine advocates often use technical claims about how vaccines are studied and redefinitions of the word placebo to shift the goal posts on vaccine safety, as pediatrician Dr. Vincent Iannelli has written on his website Vaxopedia."

Voices for Vaccines wrote, "In some trials, researchers give a control an aluminum-adjuvant containing placebo instead of a saline placebo. Receiving a placebo with an aluminum adjuvant would feel different than receiving a pure saline placebo. Researchers choose these placebos to keep the trial randomized and blinded."
 
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Andy_Ross said:
RFK Jr. Reveals: Gardasil Vaccine 37x More Lethal Than Cervical Cancer It Prevents



https://twitter.com/x/status/1952478620590416181
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These disingenuous ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ just want to get people killed. OF COURSE the children were not dying of cervical cancer. The vaccine is to protect them from cervical cancer later in life. And it works! And you can bet anything you like they're counting every youngster who dies of almost any cause after having received the jab as having died because of the jab.
 
(On a subject related to Comment #2090) At Inside Medicine Dr. Jeremy Faust wrote, "Mortality from cervical cancer in US women under age 25 is now less than 1 per million people annually. That’s half the rate we say 10 years ago, and one-quarter of the late 20th century rate. Take a look at the stunning data in JAMA. It shows what was “expected” to happen (the yellow line) based on the pre-vaccine effect trends and what actually happened (the dashed blue line)...In the hierarchy of medical evidence, observational data like those presented in the new JAMA paper are considered inferior to data from randomized controlled trials. The main reason is that no matter how hard we try to find good “controls” for patients with a particular disease when conducting research on observational data, there are often confounding variables...But in this case, a randomized controlled trial would not help, in any practical reality. That’s because such a trial would not be possible (or insightful)."

Dr. Paul Offit addressed the safety of HPV vaccines here and here.
 
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HuffPost reported, "The Department of Health and Human Services will cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines that are being developed to fight respiratory viruses like COVID-19 and the flu. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced in a statement Tuesday that 22 projects, totaling $500 million, to develop vaccines using mRNA technology will be halted...“To replace the troubled mRNA programs, we’re prioritizing the development of safer, broader vaccine strategies, like whole-virus vaccines and novel platforms that don’t collapse when viruses mutate,” Kennedy said in the video...“I don’t think I’ve seen a more dangerous decision in public health in my 50 years in the business,” said Mike Osterholm, a University of Minnesota expert on infectious diseases and pandemic preparations.""

Fox News reported, "A total of 22 mRNA vaccine development contracts totaling roughly $500 million have been canceled, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced Tuesday..."This dynamic drives a phenomena called anogenic shift, meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine," Kennedy said in the video."
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Possibly Secretary Kennedy was misquoted; the term is antigenic shift. Dr. David Gorski discussed this argument at SBM: "Of course, one also must point out that the best “incubator” for evolutionary selection pressure to produce more transmissible variants that can evade the immune response is to have a virus circulating freely among billions of people and that there is nothing special about “natural” immunity compared to vaccine-acquired immunity to SARS-CoV-2 that would make it any less of an evolutionary selection pressure to select for more transmissible variants, the claims of advocates of “natural herd immunity” as a way out of the pandemic notwithstanding."
 
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At In the Pipeline (a blog hosted by Science magazine) Derek Lowe wrote, "As for me, I didn’t think that Sarepta’s gene therapy should have been approved at all. Nor should their previous submission have been approved until they showed that they actually benefitted patients, which they have completely failed to demonstrate over the years."
 
theprestige said:
Did you read the article? Did you follow up on its sources? Did you find the original source reports "all too believable"? Or did you just accept Lowe's assessment without question?

Also, is it just me, or is "all too believable" a giant LED arrow pointing brightly at confirmation bias or some similar fallacy?
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theprestige,

Your comment was in response to my comment #871 about scrubbing mentions of mRNA vaccines from grant proposals. For those wishing to read up on mRNA vaccines, here is a 2015 explainer.
 
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The BBC reported, "The development of mRNA vaccines to target Covid-19 was critical in helping slow down the pandemic and saving millions of lives, said Peter Lurie, a former US Food and Drug Administration official. He told the BBC that the change was the US "turning its back on one of the most promising tools to fight the next pandemic"...Dr Offit, who invented the rotavirus vaccine, said the funding cancellation could put the US in a "more dangerous" position to respond to any potential future pandemic. He noted mRNA vaccines have a shorter development cycle, which is why they were crucial to responding to the Covid pandemic."
 
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HuffPost reported, "The Department of Health and Human Services will cancel contracts and pull funding for some vaccines that are being developed to fight respiratory viruses like COVID-19 and the flu. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced in a statement Tuesday that 22 projects, totaling $500 million, to develop vaccines using mRNA technology will be halted...“To replace the troubled mRNA programs, we’re prioritizing the development of safer, broader vaccine strategies, like whole-virus vaccines and novel platforms that don’t collapse when viruses mutate,” Kennedy said in the video...“I don’t think I’ve seen a more dangerous decision in public health in my 50 years in the business,” said Mike Osterholm, a University of Minnesota expert on infectious diseases and pandemic preparations.""

Fox News reported, "A total of 22 mRNA vaccine development contracts totaling roughly $500 million have been canceled, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced Tuesday..."This dynamic drives a phenomena called anogenic shift, meaning that the vaccine paradoxically encourages new mutations and can actually prolong pandemics as the virus constantly mutates to escape the protective effects of the vaccine," Kennedy said in the video."
EDT
Possibly Secretary Kennedy was misquoted; the term is antigenic shift. Dr. David Gorski discussed this argument at SBM: "Of course, one also must point out that the best “incubator” for evolutionary selection pressure to produce more transmissible variants that can evade the immune response is to have a virus circulating freely among billions of people and that there is nothing special about “natural” immunity compared to vaccine-acquired immunity to SARS-CoV-2 that would make it any less of an evolutionary selection pressure to select for more transmissible variants, the claims of advocates of “natural herd immunity” as a way out of the pandemic notwithstanding."
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It worked work the plagues, eventually.
 
I can understand it from their point of view though.
an mRNA vaccine is costly to research, somewhat costly to produce and needs to be administered only once, or at most a few times.
Whereas the proposed alternative solutions are cheap to research, cheap to produce and since they do not work, need to be sold continuously thus giving maximal shareholder returns. And that is what healthcare in the US is about.
 
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