The Truth about RFK Jr

JayUtah said:
People who do objectively bad things should be opposed. That's just part of being human. But there's value in trying to understand why people do bad things. We want to learn to recognize the signs earlier, especially when those people seek power and authority.

I don't think you can distill RFK Jr. down to one or two simple principles. Yes, I think he's a narcissist and believes that he alone can save mankind from the misguided scientists. I wouldn't know what factors have created him that way. But it's just a common way of thinking among alternative-medicine folks. They believe they have an inherent understanding of health and medicine that transcends everyone else's. Yes, I think he's pushing the alternative narrative out of resentment for some failure to be recognized for his genius. And I do think he actually believes his own hype to an extent sufficient to act mostly as a true believer.

Part of believing one's own hype is the tolerance of risk. We advocate for vaccines knowing that they are not 100% effective or 100% safe. We accept that a certain small number of vaccinated people will get sick anyway. We accept that a certain small number of vaccine recipients will suffer intolerable side effects and injury, up to and including death. These are acceptable losses to us. I think RFK Jr. approaches deaths from vaccine-preventable diseases the same way. He accepts them as tolerable losses in his framework of believe that, on the whole, the human organism has the inherent potential to ward off all disease with "natural" supplementation and methods.
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This. If for not other reason, then understanding somebody's psychology is key to figuting out to effectively fight them. The Military spend a lot of time trying to get into the enemy's head to figure out what he might do next.
People do evil things from good motives. History is full of exmaples.
 
dudalb said:
History is full of exmaples.
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Funny you should mention this. I was thinking of getting rid of one of the maples in my yard.

At In the Pipeline Derek Lowe wrote, "During the worst of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, Kennedy continued his very public opposition to vaccination, and boosted ineffective "treatments" like ivermectin, enriching himself in the process." We have discussed Kennedy and measles in this thread, but I don't believe that we have spent as much time on Covid-19.
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
Funny you should mention this. I was thinking of getting rid of one of the maples in my yard.

At In the Pipeline Derek Lowe wrote, "During the worst of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, Kennedy continued his very public opposition to vaccination, and boosted ineffective "treatments" like ivermectin, enriching himself in the process." We have discussed Kennedy and measles in this thread, but I don't believe that we have spent as much time on Covid-19.
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I read where this administration cancelled funding a fourth vaccine.
 
kookbreaker said:
And now Dr. Oz is in charge of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid.

Brilliant.
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Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ. This cabinet/administration is a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ clown car. Who's gonna hold these idiots accountable? When? Who will counter their mis/dis-information?

Jesus ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ Christ!!!
 
Resume said:
I read where this administration cancelled funding a fourth vaccine.
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CNN reported, "The US Food and Drug Administration has delayed granting full approval of Novavax’s Covid-19 vaccine despite it being on track to be cleared until Tuesday afternoon, a person familiar with the situation told CNN. The agency is seeking more data on the vaccine, said the source, who declined to be named because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly about the situation. The Wall Street Journal first reported that the FDA had missed its decision deadline...The Novavax vaccine, which uses more traditional protein-based technology than the newer mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, has been subject to emergency use authorization since 2022." One might think that this vaccine, not being based upon mRNA technology, would be more palatable to the more traditionally-minded members of society.
 
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Just because a potato-faced heroin addict moron wants to kill us all with plagues is no reason to hope his brain worm finally does the right thing and finishes its meal. Go for the parts that control speech, lil' worm! Or breathing. Either's good.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
CNN reported, "The US Food and Drug Administration has delayed granting full approval of Novavax’s Covid-19 vaccine despite it being on track to be cleared until Tuesday afternoon, a person familiar with the situation told CNN. The agency is seeking more data on the vaccine, said the source, who declined to be named because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly about the situation. The Wall Street Journal first reported that the FDA had missed its decision deadline...The Novavax vaccine, which uses more traditional protein-based technology than the newer mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna, has been subject to emergency use authorization since 2022."
One might think that this vaccine, not being based upon mRNA technology, would be more palatable to the more traditionally-minded members of society.
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Pile up the dead bodies including the children at the front door of RFK Jr.'s office, and publish that photo world wide.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Mercola now thinks that he is the second Jesus, according to SBM.
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I'm all in favour of preventative health care and advice on a healthy lifestyle. A blood test for an otherwise young and healthy friend revealed he had hemochromatosis. Treatment now means long term health complications have been prevented.

Unfortunately much of the the Health and Wellbeing industry has become a substitute for religion.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
He was an environmental lawyer, but being a lawyer is about being an advocate. It is different from scientific training. I was taught that when an experiment turned out different from what you expected, that this was better than if it had turned out as you expected--because now you learned something. Science-based medicine had a good description of the difference about a month or so ago.
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David Gorski wrote, "What I do like to point out is that lawyers, like RFK Jr., tend to approach data and studies very differently than scientists. While scientists test a hypothesis by doing experiments and studies to test it, potentially falsifying it—i.e., they care if the hypothesis is actually aligned with nature and reality and will reject it if it fails to stand up to experimental testing—lawyers are trying to make a case for they position that they are defending. To that end, they will cherry pick evidence to support their case and look for any way to denigrate or discredit evidence that does not. This is exactly what RFK Jr. will do, but even more so. Now that he controls the CDC and NIH, he will be in a position to fund new research and cherry pick existing research that results in “evidence”—no matter how dubious—to support his policies, namely undermining confidence in vaccines and removing them from the market, and that is exactly what he will do."
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That anti-scientific thinking can be best seen in what brought about Wakefield's lying paper on vaccine-autism "links". He was paid a significant figure by a law firm preparing a class action lawsuit who needed to find such links.
 
Failed to see the connection before. But Trump and RFK Jr are exactly the same! They fail to see cause and effect. RFK Jr does bring up a topic that should be discussed. Healthcare. But we are not going to see the real discussion for 4 years. Maybe in the next election cycle.

abcnews.go.com

RFK Jr. said HHS layoffs are needed as 'Americans are getting sicker.' Here's what the data shows.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said a restructure is needed at HHS due to Americans "getting sicker." But are they? Here's what the data shows.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

The problem is that neither the public or he care about the science. Mechanistic detail. The biology or even the population level effects.
 
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Yes, I just saw that RFK has acknowledged that at least 20 percent of the firings were mistakes, blaming it on Doge of course, but making it pretty clear that the making of mistakes was an expectation from the start. Go fast and break things and hope someone remembered the glue.
 
a_unique_person said:
I'm all in favour of preventative health care and advice on a healthy lifestyle. A blood test for an otherwise young and healthy friend revealed he had hemochromatosis. Treatment now means long term health complications have been prevented.

Unfortunately much of the the Health and Wellbeing industry has become a substitute for religion.
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Any element of RFK Jr's "healthy lifestyle" agenda that is valid is exactly what Republicans were lambasting Michele Obama for 15 years ago.

Now they're acting like this is some revolutionary idea that never occurred to anyone before.
 
a_unique_person said:
Ooopsies. RFK rehired some of the 10,000 sacked workers. Apparently that's just to be expected.

www.msnbc.com

RFK Jr. scrambles to rehire some public health officials after firing them

Some of those fired by the Department of Health and Human Services have been rehired. Amid mass layoffs, this keeps happening.
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bruto said:
Yes, I just saw that RFK has acknowledged that at least 20 percent of the firings were mistakes, blaming it on Doge of course, but making it pretty clear that the making of mistakes was an expectation from the start. Go fast and break things and hope someone remembered the glue.
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They are the absolute dumbest ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ on the planet.
 
It boggles my mind that "move fast and break things" is being heralded as some kind of necessary evil, the only way to do things. It seems to be part of the nonstop Republican fear-mongering over one new "emergency" after another. The "go slow and do it right" strategy would seem to be better if you were worried about the potential pitfalls of what you were doing. Therefore I maintain that the damage is the point.

Some DOGE Bros went on Fox recently defending their operation by saying that it wasn't large-scale layoffs and that any RIFs were being handled compassionately and fairly. But the ground truth at HHS flies right in the face of that obvious propaganda. Managers and supervisors had no idea who on their team was still working for them, or even if they were still working themselves. Some fired workers couldn't be notified. All were locked out of their offices. The only way some people could learn whether they still had a job was whether their keycards still worked.

Of course Vought and others already undermined the compassion angle. They're on record saying they want to terrorize the federal workforce. That's just evil. There's no other word for it. This is how authoritarian sociopaths behave, not people who have any sort of feeling for anyone.
 
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