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The Trump/Putin summit predictions thread

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He goes in for private sessions with just a Kremlin interpreter and comes out recognizing Crimea as Russian and dropping sanctions.
 
The Atheist said:
Trump will recognise Crimea as sovereign Russian territory, thank him for dispatching ISIS and possibly accept Russia's annexation of NE Ukraine.
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I predict Trump will try to either slow down or cancel arms deliveries to Ukraine; he never liked that idea for some reason. :rolleyes:
 
I find it odd. Having grown up with the Cold War and the square opposition to the Russian threat (and it was a threat), somehow the right is quite happy to jump into bed with Russia.
 
Tero said:
-hands over Syria to Putin
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You're not allowed to count things that have already happened!!

Tero said:
-end of NATO unless a different president can recover it in2020-2024
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US withdrawal is possible, but that wouldn't end NATO. The Poms, Frogs & Krauts will keep it [barely] alive until USA decides to elect a sane president.

WilliamSeger said:
I predict Trump will try to either slow down or cancel arms deliveries to Ukraine; he never liked that idea for some reason. :rolleyes:
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Yes! Agree entirely.

abaddon said:
I find it odd. Having grown up with the Cold War and the square opposition to the Russian threat (and it was a threat), somehow the right is quite happy to jump into bed with Russia.
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Nothing is more important than overturning Roe/Wade.

The US right would get into bed with Hitler, Satan, Putin and Fidel Castro, while simultaneously handing out Vaseline and kneeling over, if they think they can kick that to touch.
 
Putin: Hey, did you know that "Trump" in British English is a euphemism for "fart"?
Trump: Hey, in my country, "Pootin'" means the same thing!
 
Trump - Putin Helsinki Summit

Trump is expected in Helsinki on Sunday for his summit meeting with Putin. They have met twice before, but this will be the first one-to-one, with the others having been a part of conferences.

The previous summit in Helsinki between a US President and Russian one, was Clinton and Yeltsin, in 1997, who met eighteen times in all:

Saturday, March 22, 1997; Page A01

HELSINKI, March 21—President Clinton and Russian President Boris Yeltsin reached agreement today on a surprising array of security and economic issues, including further sharp reductions in the two nations’ nuclear arsenals, after Yeltsin protested NATO expansion but agreed to negotiate a pact with the alliance.

In the most ambitious accord, the two countries agreed in principle to negotiate a new arms control treaty that over the next decade would reduce the number of deployed strategic warheads by about a third from the levels agreed to—but not yet implemented—by Yeltsin and President Bush four years ago.

They also agreed to discuss "possible measures" to eliminate tactical or "battlefield" nuclear weapons. Yeltsin, in an unexpected move, agreed that all the anti-missile systems now under development by the U.S. military were admissible under the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. Clinton, for his part, agreed to support Russia’s integration into global economic institutions and to give it a more formal role in the Group of Seven leading industrialized nations.
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It has one journalist writing in the GUARDIAN today, well-known novelist, Sofi Oksanen:

When the news broke that a Putin-Trump summit would be held in Helsinki, some comments made my ears prick up. In the international media there was talk of Finland having been chosen as a venue because it is “neutral ground”, a country deemed to have a history of neutrality, and where east-west meetings had been held during the cold war. But Finland today is nothing of the sort. It is a member of the European Union. It is not somewhere in a grey zone between Europe and Russia.

When I was born in Finland in 1977, the country was deep in the throes of Finlandisation. Even though Finland had retained its independence, the Soviet Union used its influence to interfere in its weaker neighbour’s affairs. This was Finlandisation. In addition to foreign policy, this practice also affected national defence, the economy, education, the press, publishing, and even which foreign artists visited Finland or which movies we were able to see.

The peace settlement that followed the continuation war (in which Finland and Nazi Germany fought as co-belligerents against the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1944) gave free rein to communists in our country. In the arts, which drew me from a young age, communist paeans rang out loud and clear. Academic research wasn’t safe, either. Honest study of the Soviet Union’s catastrophic economy and its society was ill-advised if you valued your career.
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The writer goes on to complain that no-one was allowed to tell the truth about, say, Estonia. I am not sure if I agree. I think she exaggerates to make a point, having an Estonia mother, frustrated by the situation in USSR Estonia. She concludes:

Finland was a psychological laboratory for the reach of Soviet power, a place where Moscow could conveniently study the impact of one its favourite tools: reflexive control – in which a subject is led to take a certain decision (apparently independently) by controlling of the information they receive. Today’s Russia used this method in the US in its effort to help Donald Trump become president.

Finland’s Finlandisation served Moscow’s agenda well during the cold war, because it looked like a Nordic democracy and it created the impression the Soviet Union was able to live peaceably with those on its borders. No wonder Putin’s regime seems tempted to duplicate that scenario today in parts of Europe – not least in Ukraine. As a Finn, I know how bad a solution that would be.
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Of course, Finland has had to be 'diplomatic', as it were. However, I guess that is one take on it. Maybe she has been more politisicised than the average Finn.

Throw in the Trump 'Russia-gate' accusations and we can see that the world will have its eyes on this summit.
 
UPDATES from YLE:

  • The market place in Helsinki is to be sealed off
  • Vistors during the days preceding and after will be subject to extra border controls, including from the Schengen area
  • Hotel price wars, means luxury hotels have doubled their prices, budget ones in cut-price offers.
  • 1,400 journalists registered to cover the event.

Some 1,400 media representatives from 61 countries have made plans to travel to Finland in the coming days to report on the Helsinki Summit – a meeting between US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

While most of the journalists will be making the trip from the US, Russia and Europe, the group includes some news writers from Taiwan, Algeria and the Philippines as well. The event is expected to fill hotels and restaurants in the Finnish capital.
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https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/...over_trump-putin_meeting_in_helsinki/10301554


No word about planned demonstrations. However, there are sure to be some.

Trump arrives Sunday from Scotland via Stansted (?) for the summit on Monday.
 
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According to CNBC

No one knows what President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin will discuss when the two leaders host their first official dialogue in Helsinki, Finland on Monday.

The anticipated dialogue takes place in the wake of a contentious NATO summit, and amid an ongoing investigation of Russia's attempts to influence the 2016 presidential campaign. What's more, Trump has insisted the two leaders meet at the beginning of the summit without any aides present — stirring concerns the former KGB officer will outflank his American counterpart.
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Putin has him by the short and curlies. Trump would have to be an idiot not to (a) have an aide as a witness, or (b) not realise the room will be bugged up to the gills.
 
I'm not sure what difference it makes if Trump goes in alone at first. What's Putin going to do, eat him? Even when Trump has advisers, he doesn't take their advice. Of course Trump is going to be outflanked, that's a given. He's ready to give Putin the moon and the stars, but I'm not sure exactly what Putin wants from him. He's already richer than Trump and probably orders of magnitude more competent. Trump is going to give up whatever military secrets he wants to, no one can stop him, and he's probably not even very reliable when it comes to describing America's strategies, new weaponry etc.

I wouldn't want to do any serious negotiation with the guy (Trump) because you can't rely on his commitments. Even if you're Vladimir Putin. And Putin knows that.
 
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