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Cont: The Trump Presidency VIII

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Matthew Best said:
Here's Ocasio-Cortez's platform:

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I guess the bit about supporting Trump was on page 2.
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That is an awesome platform, and it begs the question: how do you pay for all that AND fund the world's largest military? Of course you can't do both, and the Democrats won't take on the military-industrial complex, so I guess you float more debt.

I would still vote for her. The GOP will bury us in debt too, and if we're going to go down, I would rather do it spending money on people who need it.
 
https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1011927850629378048

Many Republicans won’t criticize Trump even when they don’t agree with him b/c it means siding with a media that nevers cuts him a break,turns even little things he does into an act of evil,are also unfair to them & in the end will still attack you anyway
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So it's the media's fault that Republicans won't speak out about Trump.
 
Fudbucker said:
That is an awesome platform, and it begs the question: how do you pay for all that AND fund the world's largest military? Of course you can't do both, and the Democrats won't take on the military-industrial complex, so I guess you float more debt.
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I think we could probably afford both, but that would raise the dread specter of taxing like it was the 1950s again. The most downright unamerican and communist time in american history.

But we instead like the people who think putting brown kids in cages is really damn funny.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-sessions-families-06272018-story.html

"Attorney General Jeff Sessions cracked a joke about the administration’s immigration chaos, and was greeted with laughs at the idea of separated families.

Sessions spoke Tuesday to a crowd at the conservative-leaning Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, and accused critics of his “zero tolerance” immigration policy of hypocrisy."

Of course you can't say that it makes them bad people. Lots of good people like to torture kids for being a lesser race.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I think we could probably afford both, but that would raise the dread specter of taxing like it was the 1950s again. The most downright unamerican and communist time in american history.

But we instead like the people who think putting brown kids in cages is really damn funny.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-sessions-families-06272018-story.html

"Attorney General Jeff Sessions cracked a joke about the administration’s immigration chaos, and was greeted with laughs at the idea of separated families.

Sessions spoke Tuesday to a crowd at the conservative-leaning Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, and accused critics of his “zero tolerance” immigration policy of hypocrisy."

Of course you can't say that it makes them bad people. Lots of good people like to torture kids for being a lesser race.
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Yes, the Democrats will raise taxes on the rich, and it will help, but not enough to offset the cost of medicare-for-all, nevermind all the rest.

One argument you could make is that there will be an economic boon from decoupling business from health insurance and free college, and there probably would be. That's how the GOP justifies all its budget-busting tax cuts: we'll get more revenue from higher GDP.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump also tweets

"Harley-Davidson should stay 100% in America, with the people that got you your success. I’ve done so much for you, and then this. Other companies are coming back where they belong! We won’t forget, and neither will your customers or your now very HAPPY competitors!"
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Yup, Trump certainly has done a lot for Harley Davidson.

Like pulling out of the TPP. There was a 74% tax on Harley Davidson motorcycles in Vietnam (a country where the motorcycles are some sort of status symbol.) The TPP would have eliminated that tax.

Nice to see Trump has their back, killing trade deals that would have helped their sales.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/01/trump-talked-harley-davidson-but-he-killed-the-tpp.html
 
The Don said:
I see it largely confined to the US. There may be some countries with a bit of "form" for that kind of thing who will elect a similar government but in the main IMO Europe will stick with boring old Social Democracy in one form or another.



I disagree - but maybe I'm being over-optimistic :(

Unless the "war" in question is waged economically rather than militarily in which case, President Trump has already had his Fort Sumpter moment IMO.
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So only Americans can succumb to authoriatarisim;Euros are immune.
History says otherwise.
I suspect that underneath all your crodocile tears you are happy to see the USA collapse. But if you think the fall of Democracy in the US will not do severe damage to Democracy worldwide you are living in a dream world.
And yes, I suspect that you have had a dislike for the USA a long time before Trump came along.
 
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dudalb said:
So only Americans can succumb to authoriatarisim;Euros are immune.
History says otherwise.
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Not my claim. What I am saying is that the recipe isn't there right now in most Western European countries IMO.


dudalb said:
I suspect that underneath all your crodocile tears you are happy to see the USA collapse. But if you think the fall of Democracy in the US will not do severe damage to Democracy you are living in a dream world..
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You suspect incorrectly, and in any case I wasn't forecasting a collapse of democracy, merely a return to the 1950s


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And yes, I suspect that you have had a dislike for the USA a long time before Trump came along.
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Mindreader are you ?

I love the US, I'm half American, I married an American. I dislike the GOP and Trump in particular but I have no animus towards the US at all.
 
Justice Kennedy resigns, IMHO this country might be headed for the worst domestic crisis we have seen since the Civil War.
 
Justice Kennedy just announced his retirement from the SCOTUS.

Another seat for Trump to fill

ETA Ninjad
 
I notice my idea that armed resistence to a dictatorship might be necessary is not getting shot down as quickly as it would have been in the past.
 
First time I've said "Dear God!" in ages is when I just read the news. Good-bye, democracy. Now future autocrats can say democracy only leads to mob rule and denial of rights, so their benign rule is demonstrably better.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
First time I've said "Dear God!" in ages is when I just read the news. Good-bye, democracy. Now future autocrats can say democracy only leads to mob rule and denial of rights, so their benign rule is demonstrably better.
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And are you going to do anything about it but rant?
You are good example of this "cool despair" that is playing into their hands.
 
dudalb said:
Justice Kennedy resigns, IMHO this country might be headed for the worst domestic crisis we have seen since the Civil War.
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If it got bad enough, I can see the military stepping in. They're the only respected institution left.
 
ponderingturtle said:
But they like the whole kids in cages thing, it was masterminded by Kelly after all.
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In his civilian role, and everyone thinks it was Sessions and Trump who did it anyway. I doubt the military really wants anything to do with these kids.

I don't see the military taking any hits from the child separation policy.
 
Fudbucker said:
In his civilian role, and everyone thinks it was Sessions and Trump who did it anyway. I doubt the military really wants anything to do with these kids.

I don't see the military taking any hits from the child separation policy.
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Well they are setting up the concentration camps so that is a bonus to them.

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/25/623143814/pentagon-will-build-2-more-temporary-camps-to-house-migrants-mattis-says

So they certainly are not exactly pushing back against this, they are happy to build and run Trumps concentration camps.
 
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