The Third Roberts-Fetzer Debate

[~enigma~]

I am, as will always be, forever amazed at the amount of information that Mark and Ron are able to retain and recite on a moments notice to negate the lies told by people like ol' uncle fetzer (doesn't deserve caps). I could watch 10 more episodes between the 3 of you...the entertainment value (and the critical thinking value of some of you) is priceless.

Thank you Mark. Thank you Ron. Your abilities to rise above the ridiculous in order to convey the obvious is truly inspiring.

My hat is off to you both.

I think Mark and Ron were what would be called an extreme amount of overkill. No disrespect to Mark or Ron but I think a trained monkey would have been able to talk more science than uncle Fester.

 

[The Doc]

Ah excellent I'll watch ASAP.

By the sounds of it, I'm in for some fun.

 

[CHF]

I think Mark and Ron were what would be called an extreme amount of overkill. No disrespect to Mark or Ron but I think a trained monkey would have been able to talk more science than uncle Fester.

The monkey probably also wouldn't have touched Mark as much.

Fetzer's arm on my shoulder would have creeped me right out! And yet only once did Mark say "you can let go now."

I admire his patience.

 

[ryanebelhar]

Wow. I tend to stay out of verbal debates because there is no way I couldn't just start screaming and cursing. Kudos for not doing that.

 

[pgwenthold]

That would be a very short debate and one in which there were no truthers taking part. They (the woo like uncle Fester) can't allow themselves to be cornered and forced to look at their arguments.

Exactly.

That's why you do it.

Run a debate by rational rules, NOT by allowing CTists to scatter data randomly and move goalposts.

Randi always says, don't let the mice run the experiment. That's what you are doing if you let the debate format get out of hand. Better to not show up then to let it go haphazardly. When they complain, you just tell the truth. You are willing to dabate specific topics, anytime, anywhere.

 

[T.A.M.]

Trying to get Fetzer to stick to one topic is like trying to get someone with ADHD to "focus"...

Actually, i wonder if Fetzer might not have ADHD. He definitely exhibits the hyperactivity, and without a doubt has trouble focusing on a single topic or issue. If I didnt suspect it was part of his debating "tactics" I'd say there is a good case to be made.

TAM

 

[Totovader]

THE FIREPROOFING WAS ASBESTOS?

Holy crap. I mean, there's a ton of nonsense claims- but Fetzer really made a stupid claim, here.

 

[~enigma~]

The monkey probably also wouldn't have touched Mark as much.

Fetzer's arm on my shoulder would have creeped me right out! And yet only once did Mark say "you can let go now."

I admire his patience.

That line cracked me up...I wonder if it was an intimidation ploy or just a quirk of a whacky old guy. All I can say is uncle Fester was an extremely disrespectful buffon when he attempted to poo-poo Mark out of the conversation as if he was saying "let the men talk." That is one of the main reasons why I will continue to refer to uncle Fester as a piece of woo.

 

[Totovader]

By the way- there are pictures of ladder 3 under the rubble, clearly visible.

There's also another quote about ladder 3 being under the north walkbridge- and the photos show that it collaped.

 

[Totovader]

By the way- there are pictures of ladder 3 under the rubble, clearly visible.

There's also another quote about ladder 3 being under the north walkbridge- and the photos show that it collaped.

Found it:

Q:When you saw the apparatus, any apparatus numbers you can remember and where they were parked?

A. Yeah, I remember Rescue 1, obviously, right under the north walkway, the high-rise unit 3 from Engine 3, the high-rise unit. I remember rifling through that truck looking for tools and cylinders; a number of different engine
companies, thinking the chauffeur's mask would be available.
But I cannot say exactly which engine companies. I believe Ladder 3 was right there.

Source

 

[Thunder]

Fetzer clearly changes topics when he feels cornered. Poor guy.

 

[Hyperviolet]

Ok i think Fetzer definetely controlled the first debate, using his rapid fire scatter gun approach. The 2nd debate was in Marks favour and this 3rd one... jeez, Mark really killed him.

 

[Gravy]

Holy crap, Fetzer even repeats the "Mike the EMT" claim that there was a countdown for the destruction of WTC 7.

There was an actual volunteer EMT who thought they brought the building down (perhaps confused by people saying "that building's coming down), but Fetzer wouldn't know that.

Indira Singh, a volunteer EMT: "What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon after noon, after midday on 9/11, we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. ... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. ... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University, a little further away, because Building 7 was gonna come down or being brought down. ... There was another panic around four o'clock because they were bringing the building down and people seemed to know this ahead of time, so people were panicking again and running." (KPFA, 4/27/2005)

 

[Brainster]

Just hit the part about "bombs and explosions" and I am totally blown away. That was out of the park, Mr Roberts!

 

[JAStewart]

Fetzer - You're a conspiracy theorist!!

Gravy - That's great.

I lol'd

I lol'd too.

 

[TOHMS]

The fact that Judy Wood was even mentioned in a debate already showed me that this was just stupid. Fetzer is an emberassment to an already emberassing "movement".

 

[The Doc]

Well I just finished watching all three debates!



Very nice work both Ron and Mark. What a thoroughly enjoyable debate. I think you guys started off rather slow, but you really gave it to Fetzer in those last two debates. The great thing about this was the fact that Fetzer was making claims that a majority of members in the truth movement are currently making regarding the Pentagon and WTC7, as well as his crazy beam theories. A lot of conspiracists are going to have to deal with this.

It was good to see both Mark and Ron nail Fetzer for his "white elephant" and asbestos claims. I thought it might have gone unanswered due to time restrictions, but you guys managed to nail him for it.

I do have to say though, watching Fetzer notice he was proven wrong and watching him trying to change the subject was frustrating to me, but watching Mark throw him right back in line and listening to the vague silence from Fetzer in response was amazing.

I hope some fence sitters get to see this. In a debate, it is clear that these conspiracists have far less of the ability to get around admitting they are wrong. Fetzer was cornered, and the Hard Fire setup didn't allow him out of it without everyone seeing what a fool he is.

Two thumbs up guys! Very nice work.

Doc.

 

[FactCheck]

Fertilizer looked visibly shaken by the end of the second round. He looked like he needed Prozac by the end of the third.

Am I the only one who noted fertilizer was trying to intimidate Gravy? Heh!

Gravy, can you sleep at night now? Heh!

He acted like a child at one point, threatening to make it a long night. Gravy took the high road.

I would just like to see pomeroo force one topic only at a time. Also, you might want to highlight when he changed the topic. It was almost always when Mark had him on the ropes. As soon as he dodges the the issue, point it out.

I would like to give Gravy some photos of GZ which prove the steel was not pulverized but he wont respond to my PM's anyway.

 

[Mancman]

Fetzer clearly changes topics when he feels cornered. Poor guy.

Classic example:

Fetzer: "Larry Silverstein had two enormous white elephants on his hands he wanted to get rid of"

Gravy: "The WTC were not white elephants, they were making money, they were 98% occupied which is considered full occupancy, the mall in the concourse was one of the most profitable in the world"

Fezter: "There were 47 core columns"

 

[ref]

That was a clean three-peat. The constant interruptions by Fetzer bothered a little.

Nice work guys I want more of these.


ETA: I enjoyed the last part most. Mark showing Jim the WTC stuff. The fire truck googled in two minutes, and the burnt cars