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'The Third Intifada has already begun'

Bwahahaha! The only reason there's an occupation is that the Arabs decided to drive the Jews into the sea, and miscalculated badly. Merely being Jews unwilling to submit to Islam is all the reason they need for an intifada.

Woosh!!

My point was the broader context of occupation breeds conditions conducive to the Intifada and flare ups in between them, so any proximate cause of the latest is just stemming from this larger context.

My point was not what I think you took it for, as your reply here seems designed for a different argument.
 
No...the same UN Troops that Israel trusts to keep an eye on Hezbollah. Ziggurat says that Israel can not achieve peace by ending the occupation....but they have done it before.

Really, Jules? Have you forgotten that the UN troops keeping an eye on Hezbollah have not in fact managed to keep the peace?
 
No...the same UN Troops that Israel trusts to keep an eye on Hezbollah. Ziggurat says that Israel can not achieve peace by ending the occupation....but they have done it before.
What's the difference between the hilited and the word "observe"?
 
Really, Jules? Have you forgotten that the UN troops keeping an eye on Hezbollah have not in fact managed to keep the peace?

I think they are doing a pretty good Job. I don't see thousands of Israelis being evacuated because of rocket barrages, nor do I see fields of smoking, burned-out Merkavas, or Lebanese villages that have been levelled while refugees stream northward.

Perhaps the "Peace" may not be perfect, but it is relatively peaceful.
 
I think they are doing a pretty good Job. I don't see thousands of Israelis being evacuated because of rocket barrages, nor do I see fields of smoking, burned-out Merkavas, or Lebanese villages that have been levelled while refugees stream northward.

Perhaps the "Peace" may not be perfect, but it is relatively peaceful.

Huh, I tend to give the credit to the IDF rather than the UN.
 
Heck, why not? It will be more entertaining. It will also provide some media top cover for everyone who is in on the fun and games in Syria.

Go for it, Pals, and see how far it gets you.
 
Why not end the occupation and use UN Troops to insure the peace?

Yes, UN troops have been so effective so many times over the last 50-60 years. If you read that sentence with your voice dripping sarcasm all over the room you will be reading it as intended. ETA : and as laughable... UN troops don't fight, they run.
 
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Yes, UN troops have been so effective so many times over the last 50-60 years. If you read that sentence with your voice dripping sarcasm all over the room you will be reading it as intended. ETA : and as laughable... UN troops don't fight, they run.

Israel trusts UN Troops to enforce the peace with Hezbollah. So why won't Israel allow some UN Troops in the West Bank and Gaza?

Really? The answer to the Palestinian/Israeli Violence problem - UN Troops - has been in front of us for almost 50 years, but the US and Israel do everything they can to avoid the solution. Why is that? Could it be that land will be much harder for Israel to steal once they are being monitored by the UN?
 
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Middle East Eye said:
At least six Palestinians were killed and over 137 injured on Friday afternoon when large-scale clashes broke out in the Gaza Strip. [...]

Violence broke out after Friday prayers amid an uptick in clashes between Palestinians and Israeli soldiers following anger around Israel's tightening of restrictions at al-Aqsa Mosque, a symbolic holy site in Jerusalem. [...]

Friday's stabbings included one by a 17-year-old Jew in the southern Israeli city of Dimona that wounded two Palestinians and two Israeli citizens of Palestinian origin.

The teen told police who arrested him he had acted because "all Arabs are terrorists."

Attacks also continued against Israelis and Jews, with a Palestinian stabbing and lightly wounding a policeman near a West Bank settlement before being shot dead by the victim.

A Jewish 16-year-old was slightly hurt in a stabbing in Jerusalem by an 18-year-old Palestinian suspect, who was arrested.

And an Israeli woman of Palestinian origin was shot and wounded by Israeli police at a bus station in the northern Israeli town of Afula, with conflicting accounts as to why she was hit.

There have been 13 stabbings since Saturday, including the revenge assault. Five of the alleged attackers have been killed. [...]
 
And some background (please read in full):

Middle East Eye said:
[...] The root causes for this rebellion are the same as ever: the Israeli regime of occupation, apartheid and colonialism makes Palestinians’ lives unbearable. However, there are fundamental differences between now and then, and the actions of Israel’s new settler militia will determine when, not if, a full scale Intifada will explode.

The most visible difference between the reality on the ground in the first and second Intifadas is the prominent role of Israeli settlers in the attacks on Palestinians. The settler population has become a well-armed, well-organised and ideologically driven militia. They maraud in Palestinian villages and attack Palestinians in the streets and even in their homes. From last year’s horrific burning alive of young Muhammad Abu Khdeir in Jerusalem to the recent arson attack on the Dawabshah’s home in Dima, murdering the parents and a toddler, settlers have carried out a string of terror attacks on Palestinians. Israel maintains and supports this fanatic militia to carry out the dirtiest parts of Israeli aggression and repression in the West Bank.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s initial rhetoric about an “all-out war” including the re-occupation of the major Palestinian residential areas in the West Bank, defined by the Oslo Agreement as Area A, pleased this settler militia and their parties in the government. However, as the Israeli military and intelligence agencies were quick to point out, massive military deployment into Area A is neither in the interest of the settlers nor the rest of Israel’s political establishment. They all have a common aim: expelling as many Palestinians as possible from Jerusalem and the rest of the West Bank to the walled-in Bantustans they have created. This is best served by concentrating pressure outside these Bantustans.

Of the additional four military brigades sent to the West Bank, none are in the major Palestinian cities. Contrary to the first Intifada, when the army used extreme violence and constantly patrolled Palestinian cities to maintain their control or the Israeli re-invasion of the West Bank during the second Intifada, which aimed at destroying Palestinian Authority infrastructure, this time Area A is not a target.

Following a similar logic to the massacres of the Palestinian people in Gaza, Israel attacks from the perimeters. The ghettos stay under Palestinian control while Israel makes life unbearable in the remaining 60 percent of the West Bank through the construction of the apartheid wall, home demolitions, immediate threat of destruction of 89 communities, denial of access to water, checkpoints, land confiscation and settler attacks. [...]
 
... the root causes ...

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oh, and the Big Bang too.
 
The 'hiding in civilian areas' becomes very tired when the population has been herded into a tiny area. Gaza has an area comparable to the Isle of Wight and a population density near to London's!

Normally a dictatorship gives up when captured by a free people. This dictatorship wishes to use religion to have a place to lord over and make a cozy life for themselves, like every other land except Israel in the region.

Yes, sign me up for the tired prediction Palestine, if it ever forms as a proper nation, to the applause of many, will just be another murderous dictatorship. Yeyyyyyyyyy, we've done our job, now off to dinner at some fancy restaurant on Martha's Vinyard!
 
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