The supernatural

[IanS]

Hello, dear philosopher
Thank you for your interesting explanation.
By a drop of DNA, I did not mean its nature and gender. It was an example. If it is collected as much as a drop of DNA, it has the ability to store and receive all the information in the world. The mechanism of receiving and storing information by DNA is one of the wonders of creation. And science has not yet fully understood this process. Secondly, DNA contains genetic information and can store it for a long time. The existence of deoxyribonucleic acid and its information and genetic codes are necessary for the growth and development, reproduction, survival and continuation of life of all living things.
In living organisms, the DNA molecule carries genetic traits and information, which is in the nucleus of eukaryotic cells and in the cytoplasm of prokaryotic cells. These molecules are transmitted between generations by reproduction, and in humans all cells have the same deoxyribonucleic acid. These molecules control the production of proteins and other cells in the body of organisms and the production of other DNA. So that the smallest change in the genetic information of these molecules will leave many effects and consequences in the cells and therefore in the body of living beings.
For example, words are formed by putting letters together, and genetic codes are formed by the way organic bases are put together. These genetic codes can make different proteins in the body. In 99% of humans, the way bases are placed together is the same and the difference in the remaining 1% creates different genetic traits in people.
"The key to the functioning of all cellular behavior, according to Watson and Crick, lies in DNA. Although it may seem complicated and unlikely, all the information in our body is encoded and stored by repeating sequences of 4 small members called nucleotides." Imagine a huge building made of only 4 models of building materials or a complex language whose alphabet has no more than 4 letters. DNA is a long chain of these small letters and blocks. And it has the ability to store all cellular information.DNA contains information that is needed to make all the necessary proteins of all cells, and these proteins together give meaning and meaning to a living organism. When a cell divides, all of this information must be transferred correctly so that the mother and daughter cells do not differ from each other.
Before a cell can divide, it must first replicate. In other words, a copy of its DNA must be prepared.
Where replication takes place varies depending on whether the cell is eukaryotic or prokaryotic. DNA replication takes place in the cytoplasm of prokaryotes and the nucleus of eukaryotes. Except for the locational nature of this process, the rest of the DNA replication process is common between eukaryotes and prokaryotes.
The structure of DNA simply allows the enzymes and proteins involved in the replication process to enter the cycle and start the process. Each side of the double helix is ​​in the opposite direction of the other helix. That is, the end of one is the beginning of another.
The interesting thing about this model is its similarity to regular zippers, except that it can be opened from any area and its pattern can be copied. Because nothing is lost, but a new pattern is formed based on the old pattern, DNA replication is called semi-protective. To carry out this process, special tools are needed.
I hope that the scientific article that I told you in this message has clarified the process of storing information in DNA.
Good luck

No. And I already explained this to you - there is no "information" in any DNA molecule. The word "information" is being used there as an "analogy" to things like computers where data is purposefully stored by humans ...

... all that DNA or any molecule can ever do is to have it's own chemical properties, which are determined by the atoms of which it's composed, the type of bonds that it has between the atoms, and the spatial geometry that the macroscopic molecule has ... the molecule has no clue about any "information" ... that word "information" is only our human shorthand language to describe various features and chemical properties that any molecule has...

... it's like saying "Light chooses the shortest path between two points" ... the light (photons) do not "choose" anything! ... all that is happening is ordinary physics.

... all that is happening with DNA is ordianry mindless chemistry (chemical reactions).

And ... there is not a single word about “DNA” anywhere in the Quran.

 

[IanS]

"Soul" is not created by quantum physics. Dear philosopher, please first understand my sentences well and then comment.
The soul is the command of God. and controls and manages the genome during human life and in the human body. And it sends all the information stored in the genome to the "Mobin Book" every day. And there the final save is made. At the time of human death, the soul, which is the order of God, is cut off. The body remains empty. And in the grave, it is completely decomposed during the decomposition process. and returns to nature. But the information stored in the Book of Mobin will remain until the Day of Resurrection. And God recreates our body with this information. And the soul, which is God's command, returns to this regenerated body. (teleportation method)This will happen in the hereafter. Thanks

OK, so produce the published science reserach pappers that say "The soul is the command of God. and controls and manages the genome during human life and in the human body" ....

... produce the paper where that discovery has been anounced ??

 

[IanS]

And by the way Heydarian – you have still not answered any of the questions I have been asking you …

1 please produce the science research papers that say, as you have claimed 1000 times here, that science says that the Quran contained God's revelation of all modern science in 600AD … where are those research papers, please produce them!

2 why are there countless religions from hundreds and thousands of years before they Quran, which already claimed that God had created humans from Mud?? … why was the Quran copying what all of those previous religions had already said? ...

... why did those other religions/people know about that 1000 years before your God eventually decided to mention it to Mohamed !?!

3 you just told us that you have numerous qualifications as the great Professor of Islamic translation etc., … but your claims are bogus, fraudulent lies aren't they! … you are not the great religious authority that all other Muslims regard as the most qualified expert on Islam, are you! …

… why did you invent all that silly untrue nonsense about how brilliant you yourself say you are?

4 when did you first start saying that the Quran says the universe is “expanding”? … did you say that before Hubble and others explained in the 1920's? … or did you only start saying that 50 to 100 years AFTER Hubble and others had already told the world about it?


When are you going to answer these questions (only HONEST answers are acceptable), because you must have been asked at least 100 times now!!

 

[Myriad]

Angels are forces and energies in the universe. They are not supernatural.

We'll return to this later.

DNA has the ability to receive and store all the information of a living organism by using only 4 chemical elements and the link between two intertwined strands.

DNA stores genetic information, not "all the information of a living organism." It does not record anyone's words, thoughts, or actions.

Just one drop of DNA can store all the information in the world!! This is one of the wonders of God's creation.

Just one drop of DNA could in theory store all the information in the world, if, and only if, human engineers collected and painstakingly coded all that information into the DNA, synthesizing the coded sequence one base pair at a time. Such an effort would take centuries, cost billions of dollars, and could never catch up with all the new information that's recorded by humans using human tools (writing, print, video, computer data, etc.) every day. Which would be a huge wasted effort because we already have all that information in much more useful forms.

The science of genetics - living cell - genome and abiogenesis tells you all these things.

Everything I've just said is the findings of genetics and biochemistry.

DNA communication between all living cells, which is more than billions of cells, occurs in less than a second!! Th is is more strange. This connection is established by the soul according to the process of quantum physics.

That is not a scientific finding. I do not believe you can cite published research papers claiming that DNA communication occurs between cells in less than a second via quantum soul physics.

The existence of a human being is more complicated than the whole universe.

Human beings exist in the universe and are part of it. How can a part be more complicated than the whole? That's illogical.

This is the product and creation of God. God is the best creator.

There are other creators? Who's the second best? How would you rank the top ten creators?

And God has told us its summary in only two verses of the Qur'an.

The verses do not mention DNA. They talk about angels.

You've just said angels exist in the universe. So if a perfect Quran speaks of angels, it's speaking of the actual non-supernatural angels you claim exist, not about DNA.

 

[IanS]

"Soul" is not created by quantum physics. Dear philosopher, please first understand my sentences well and then comment.

I was quoting what you posted. Here is your post -

Hello dear friend
Angels are forces and energies in the universe. They are not supernatural.
DNA has the ability to receive and store all the information of a living organism by using only 4 chemical elements and the link between two intertwined strands. Just one drop of DNA can store all the information in the world!! This is one of the wonders of God's creation. The science of genetics - living cell - genome and abiogenesis tells you all these things.
DNA communication between all living cells, which is more than billions of cells, occurs in less than a second!! This is more strange. This connection is established by the soul according to the process of quantum physics. The existence of a human being is more complicated than the whole universe. This is the product and creation of God. God is the best creator. And God has told us its summary in only two verses of the Qur'an.

I am asking you to produce the science research papers that confirm (as you just claimed) that a bodily funtion involving DNA happens because “the soul established a connection according to the process of Quantum physics” …

… i.e. your post directly claims that the functioning of DNA (a chemical reaction) is “established”, ie it “exists because” humans have a “Soul” that uses Quantum Physics to make the chemistry happen … where is the paper which claims to have discovered that??

… where is the published paper please??

… why can't you ever produce any real published papers to support the claims you have made 1000 times or more here? … you must have been asked over 100 times for the published papers, and so far you have not produced any such papers at all …

… where are the published papers that say a soul has anything to do with using quantum physics?

 

[Pixel42]

Please stay updated.
Don't be superstitious.

Unnecessary advice for me, very necessary advice for you. So please take your own advice.

"The angels mentioned in the Quran and holy books are the forces and energies by which God controls and performs all the affairs of the universe.
On the Day of Judgment, God will remove all energies and forces from the universe. Therefore, the universe completely collapses and collapses. Science has proven this. Hawking has proven. The heavens loosen and collapse. "
Angels are only forces and energies that God has created in the universe to move all things forward. They are not supernatural in any way.

You are once again twisting and misinterpreting the perfectly clear meaning of the words in the Qu'ran, in this case the word 'angels', so you can pretend that it refers to the forces and energies we now know govern the universe. Thinking that this is a valid thing to do is not just illogical, it is insane. So is your attempt to link the superstitious idea of the soul with the scientific ideas of quantum physics.

You are completely unable to support your claims that what Hawking, and science generally, has proven was predicted by the ignorant superstition in the Qu'ran. You just assume it was, and then twist and misinterpret the words of the Qu'ran in whatever way you must - in ways any sane Moslem would consider blasphemous - in order to convince yourself it's true. It's pathetic, desperate stuff, and the more you persist with it the more unhinged you appear.

Dear Pixel
Please take some rest.
Talking too much is not good for your health.
I suggest you have fun at the beach. and swim It is good for your health.
Thank you

I get plenty of exercise (I live in the countryside where I walk or cycle almost every day). I am retired and live alone, so I talk very little. So this is more unnecessary advice.

 

[acbytesla]

Unnecessary advice for me, very necessary advice for you. So please take your own advice.



You are once again twisting and misinterpreting the perfectly clear meaning of the words in the Qu'ran, in this case the word 'angels', so you can pretend that it refers to the forces and energies we now know govern the universe. Thinking that this is a valid thing to do is not just illogical, it is insane. So is your attempt to link the superstitious idea of the soul with the scientific ideas of quantum physics.

You are completely unable to support your claims that what Hawking, and science generally, has proven was predicted by the ignorant superstition in the Qu'ran. You just assume it was, and then twist and misinterpret the words of the Qu'ran in whatever way you must - in ways any sane Moslem would consider blasphemous - in order to convince yourself it's true. It's pathetic, desperate stuff, and the more you persist with it the more unhinged you appear.


I get plenty of exercise (I live in the countryside where I walk or cycle almost every day). I am retired and live alone, so I talk very little. So this is more unnecessary advice.

What? A theist spinning their holy book and science? Say it isn't so! They would never do that.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Hello dear friend
Angels are forces and energies in the universe. They are not supernatural.
DNA has the ability to receive and store all the information of a living organism by using only 4 chemical elements and the link between two intertwined strands. Just one drop of DNA can store all the information in the world!! This is one of the wonders of God's creation. The science of genetics - living cell - genome and abiogenesis tells you all these things.
DNA communication between all living cells, which is more than billions of cells, occurs in less than a second!! This is more strange. This connection is established by the soul according to the process of quantum physics. The existence of a human being is more complicated than the whole universe. This is the product and creation of God. God is the best creator. And God has told us its summary in only two verses of the Qur'an.

If according to you, angels are "forces and energies in the universe", then Mohammad never received the Koran from the angel Gabriel, and Mary, mother of Jesus, never received the news from Gabriel.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Yes, people were unable to twist the words of the Quran to make it look as if it might be talking about DNA until after DNA was discovered.

None of the scientific discoveries you have mentioned were discovered in the Quran, you have just tried to twist the Quran to fit them after they were discovered as a result of scientific research.

What future scientific discoveries does the Quran contain? I bet you can’t come up with a single one.

And that, of course, is the key. Just like the Prophecies of Nostradamus^WP can be retro-twisted to prove Nostro's omniscience they predict nothing of the future.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

I have mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again.

If a God designed DNA and thus coded all life. Why was it done so incompetently?
The code of life is a buggy mess that could be designed better by anyone capable of speech.

Why do you worship an incompetent being?

 

[Leumas]

I have mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again.

If a God designed DNA and thus coded all life. Why was it done so incompetently?
The code of life is a buggy mess that could be designed better by anyone capable of speech.

Why do you worship an incompetent being?

Here is another incompetence... consider that we breath, drink and eat from the same hole in our faces... let alone the fact that we have to eat and drink in the first place... we are biologically less complete than a bacteria... we CANNOT auto-manufacture all the amino-acids needed to complete the manufacturing of our cells... thus we are compelled to wrench those amino-acids off of other creatures (fauna and flora) by consuming their cells... and even then we are utterly inefficient in this consumption of the butchered cellular matter that most of it passes through our tracts and goes to waste... thus compelling us to steal more and more cells... and all this process is in fact KILLING US by causing all sorts of internal failures and diseases... not to mention the diseases caused by the waste material seeping into the water table and habitations.... and the strife and mayhem caused by our struggle to wrench resources from others to satisfy our interminable need to eat and drink instead of just sunbathing for a few hours under the sun in peace and quiet to obtain our needed energy.

 

[Prometheus]

And that, of course, is the key. Just like the Prophecies of Nostradamus^WP can be retro-twisted to prove Nostro's omniscience they predict nothing of the future.

In the 1980's, I remember a TV program about Nostradamus responding to that very argument by pointing to the places where he predicted that the world would come to an end in 1997. So there!

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

In the 1980's, I remember a TV program about Nostradamus responding to that very argument by pointing to the places where he predicted that the world would come to an end in 1997. So there!

That's because he mistakenly provided an actual date (the seventh month of 1999). Something I presume Allah was clever enough not to do.

 

[heydarian saeed]

And by the way Heydarian – you have still not answered any of the questions I have been asking you …

1 please produce the science research papers that say, as you have claimed 1000 times here, that science says that the Quran contained God's revelation of all modern science in 600AD … where are those research papers, please produce them!

2 why are there countless religions from hundreds and thousands of years before they Quran, which already claimed that God had created humans from Mud?? … why was the Quran copying what all of those previous religions had already said? ...

... why did those other religions/people know about that 1000 years before your God eventually decided to mention it to Mohamed !?!

3 you just told us that you have numerous qualifications as the great Professor of Islamic translation etc., … but your claims are bogus, fraudulent lies aren't they! … you are not the great religious authority that all other Muslims regard as the most qualified expert on Islam, are you! …

… why did you invent all that silly untrue nonsense about how brilliant you yourself say you are?

4 when did you first start saying that the Quran says the universe is “expanding”? … did you say that before Hubble and others explained in the 1920's? … or did you only start saying that 50 to 100 years AFTER Hubble and others had already told the world about it?


When are you going to answer these questions (only HONEST answers are acceptable), because you must have been asked at least 100 times now!!

And answer 3302:
I have answered you many times. Unfortunately, every time you pretended that I did not answer you. I'm sorry.
The modern scientific content in the Quran written 1400 years ago is said in this book. Open your eyes and see and read it. Dear Philosopher, it is too late to turn the authentic historical and religious book of the Qur'an upside down. You cannot deny it in any way.
In all the holy books of monotheistic religions such as the Bible and the Torah, similar to the modern scientific content of the Qur'an, it is said. You don't see right and you don't read right. I'm sorry.
But in the Quran, there are the most complete materials of modern science.
Unfortunately, throughout history, the translators and commentators of these divine holy books have not kept up to date. And their translations are old. And it is not up to date. My work in translation and interpretation of the Quran is new and up-to-date. Do not doubt. Yes, I have the courage to do so. And I stand by my word like a mountain until the end of my life. And I will not withdraw in any way. Because my words are absolutely true for the dear and beautiful Quran. The Qur'an is oppressed. And no one wants to take a step for the dear Quran. I am. I defend the Quran with all my heart. No holy book is as complete and up-to-date as the Qur'an. The Quran is unique. It is unique. The content is new. But this content was in the Quran. Just not translated up to date.
Don't always say give a scientific article. no The Quran itself is the most complete article. And all the scientific articles have discovered some of the scientific contents of the Quran.
The verses of modern science are clear in the Quran. Open your eyes and read carefully:
...

 

[malbui]

OK then. Show us the recipe for a room temperature superconductor. This will transform the world.

Off you go.

 

[Mojo]

The verses of modern science are clear in the Quran.

Modern science does not have verses.

And what you have claimed as “modern science” in the Quran is not clear. If it was clear you would not have to distort and twist it to make it look as if it fits modern science. The original text and translations would gave been clear, and you would not have to retranslate it to make it fit.

And worse, you have been retrofitting it to your misunderstandings of modern science. When, for example, you claim that the Quran says that DNA molecules “receive and store all our actions” you are saying that the Quran is wrong.

If the Quran contains clear descriptions of otherwise unknown science, you would be able to predict future discoveries of science, not just retrofit it to what is already known.

What future scientific discoveries does the Quran contain?

 

[Mojo]

OK then. Show us the recipe for a room temperature superconductor. This will transform the world.

Off you go.

Or how about the TOE?

 

[Leumas]

And answer
...

If you can explain to me why Allah saw it fit or necessary to do the job of blowing into الفرج of his girlfriend Mary to make her pregnant with Jesus... I promise I might start looking at your pseudo-science claptrap.

If you do not know the meaning of the word then copy and paste it into google translator to see what it gives you.

And if you are not familiar with the Ayah ... then it is Q66:12... also look at ayah 5:75

 

[Pixel42]

And answer 3302:
I have answered you many times. Unfortunately, every time you pretended that I did not answer you. I'm sorry.
The modern scientific content in the Quran written 1400 years ago is said in this book. Open your eyes and see and read it. Dear Philosopher, it is too late to turn the authentic historical and religious book of the Qur'an upside down. You cannot deny it in any way.
In all the holy books of monotheistic religions such as the Bible and the Torah, similar to the modern scientific content of the Qur'an, it is said. You don't see right and you don't read right. I'm sorry.
But in the Quran, there are the most complete materials of modern science.
Unfortunately, throughout history, the translators and commentators of these divine holy books have not kept up to date. And their translations are old. And it is not up to date. My work in translation and interpretation of the Quran is new and up-to-date. Do not doubt. Yes, I have the courage to do so. And I stand by my word like a mountain until the end of my life. And I will not withdraw in any way. Because my words are absolutely true for the dear and beautiful Quran. The Qur'an is oppressed. And no one wants to take a step for the dear Quran. I am. I defend the Quran with all my heart. No holy book is as complete and up-to-date as the Qur'an. The Quran is unique. It is unique. The content is new. But this content was in the Quran. Just not translated up to date.
Don't always say give a scientific article. no The Quran itself is the most complete article. And all the scientific articles have discovered some of the scientific contents of the Quran.
The verses of modern science are clear in the Quran. Open your eyes and read carefully:
...

A fanatic was once defined (supposedly by Winston Churchill) as "one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject". You fit it perfectly.

We're coming up on the first anniversary of this thread. That's a year you've spent trying to convince us of something which is manifestly not true - that the Qu'ran contains references to scientific discoveries not yet made when it was written. In all that time you've made no attempt whatsoever to understand why we reject your silly "logic". As you're clearly never going to change your mind, don't you think it's time you at least changed the subject?

 

[heydarian saeed]

... - I swear to the sky with a mesh galaxy texture! (The Hubble telescope
managed to capture this in 2010! But in the 7th century, the Qur'an presented this image of the sky!!)
وَالسَّمَاءِ ذَاتِ الْحُبُكِ - Verse 7 of Surah 51
- We created the sky and expand it!! (Scientists have discovered this issue in the last half century! While it was said in the Qur'an in the seventh century!!)
وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ - Verse 47of Surah 51
- Oath to the birth of the stars! (White space holes! This issue has been discovered in the last half century. While it was mentioned in the Qur'an in the seventh century!!)
فَلَا أُقْسِمُ بِمَوَاقِعِ النُّجُومِ - Verse 75 of Surah 56
And in the next verse, he says this is a very big oath that I am telling you if you are careful. (creating motivation to discover this issue by humans)
وَإِنَّهُ لَقَسَمٌ لَوْ تَعْلَمُونَ عَظِيمٌ - Verse 76 of Surah 56
- By the time of the destruction of the stars! (Space black holes! This issue was discovered in the last half century. While it was said in the Qur'an in the seventh century!)
وَالنَّجْمِ إِذَا هَوَى - Verse 1 of Surah 53
In the continuation of this verse, it says that "revelation" is done by a great force that moves between two parallel worlds! (Revelation has reached the prophets through the space black hole and according to quantum science.) If you read the history of Muhammad, it will tell you: what very difficult and exhausting conditions Muhammad went through during the time of revelation. Because the inspiration of revelation is completely different from the material existence of man. Therefore, the revelation to Muhammad (and other prophets) was very difficult and exhausting.
- Oath to the pulsating stars.(This issue was discovered in the last half century. While it was mentioned in the Qur'an in the seventh century!!)
النَّجْمُ الثَّاقِبُ- Verse 3 of Surah 86
- When the sun is destroyed and turns into a space black hole!! (It is one of the signs of the doomsday. Hawking discovered it. While it was said in the Qur'an in the 7th century!!)
إِذَا الشَّمْسُ كُوِّرَتْ - Verse 1 of Surah 81
- And in the continuation of the same surah, it says that: the stars will be destroyed and turn off and turn into a space black hole!! (This issue is one of the discoveries of the last century. While it was mentioned in the Qur'an in the seventh century!!)
وَإِذَا النُّجُومُ انْكَدَرَتْ - Verse 2 of Surah 81
- In the story of Companions of the Cave, he says: You see the sunlight tilting to the right at the time of sunrise in the cave. And at sunset it tilts to the left. As we know, the path of light in space, if it hits a very large magnetic center, is slightly tilted and does not go straight. And after passing through this center, the path of light becomes smooth. This is "Einstein's special relativity". which was said in this verse in the seventh century!!
I would like to remind you that Ashab Cave was located in such a magnetic center at the time of this incident. Therefore, the sunlight does not shine directly inside the cave. And it is inclined!
وَتَرَى الشَّمْسَ إِذَا طَلَعَتْ تَزَاوَرُ عَنْ كَهْفِهِمْ ذَاتَ الْيَمِينِ وَإِذَا غَرَبَتْ تَقْرِضُهُمْ ذَاتَ الشِّمَالِ وَهُمْ فِي فَجْوَةٍ مِنْهُ ذَلِكَ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ مَنْ يَهْدِ اللَّهُ فَهُوَ الْمُهْتَدِ وَمَنْ يُضْلِلْ فَلَنْ تَجِدَ لَهُ وَلِيًّا مُرْشِدًا - And the verses related to the subject of "teleportation" - "space wormholes" - "recreation of the entire universe" - "DNA" and... These verses in the Qur'an are only a part of modern science in the Qur'an. Almost 2500 verses in the Quran have spoken about various topics of modern science.
And ... in the "Revelation" part of the Bible ... of course, it is only a story. And it is more difficult to understand than the Qur'an. The book of the Qur'an is explained very simply and fluently. And it is easy to understand. Of course, it should be translated and interpreted up to date. Old translations and interpretations of most of its contents are superstitions. And it is rejected. be up to date.
Thanks