Quantum physics is physics. The laws of quantum physics are laws of physics. What do you think those scientists say exactly? Hawking was an outspoken atheist. Do you really think he thought that the laws of (quantum) physics are proof of God, or of universal intelligence?
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In quantum mechanics, Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment that illustrates a paradox of quantum superposition. In the thought experiment, a hypothetical cat may be considered simultaneously both alive and dead as a result of its fate being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur.
Dear Heydarian, Just exactly which verses in the Quran say the same thing as Schrodinger's cat theory?
heydarian saeed
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No science can deny God. And in your opinion, no science can prove it. Of course, in our opinion, it is provable. At least it proves the philosophy and mysticism of God. Cholera proves God with definite and solid reasons. If you check the content of this message. And do not be prejudiced. And think freely. And be rational. You see, the content of this message is a privilege for God. And therefore God is undeniable. The rest of the debate has no place in this. This message is enough to prove God. Of course, I have told you the definite philosophical, logical and mystical reasons in my previous messages.
No science can deny God. And in your opinion, no science can prove it. Of course, in our opinion, it is provable. At least it proves the philosophy and mysticism of God. Cholera proves God with definite and solid reasons. If you check the content of this message. And do not be prejudiced. And think freely. And be rational. You see, the content of this message is a privilege for God. And therefore God is undeniable. The rest of the debate has no place in this. This message is enough to prove God. Of course, I have told you the definite philosophical, logical and mystical reasons in my previous messages.
heydarian saeed
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I have no insistence on you accepting my words to God. Humans have authority. To accept or reject.
Cyrus the Great said in our land 2500 years ago: "I have no attempt to accept God by people. And I do not fight with anyone for the acceptance of God. Everyone's God is what he accepts. And he made it for himself. "So changing that mindset is futile."
Cyrus the Great said in our land 2500 years ago: "I have no attempt to accept God by people. And I do not fight with anyone for the acceptance of God. Everyone's God is what he accepts. And he made it for himself. "So changing that mindset is futile."
heydarian saeed
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Hello dear philosopher
Yes, we know Hawking was an Atheist. He has not proved God. But his science and scientific discoveries became a tool to prove God. "All scientific discoveries in the world by any scientist automatically prove God." This is the claim of God in his book, the Qur'an. And we Muslims fully believe in this claim of God.
Mojo
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The content of your messages is rather similar to the major symptom of cholera, yes. “Solid” is probably not an appropriate adjective though.
Mojo
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Pixel42
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Likewise we cannot insist that you at least attempt to understand what we have been telling you. It's up to you.
I'd say you've been given a pretty fair hearing on this thread, heydarian. Many posters have made the effort to try to make sense of your (often woefully uninformed or misinformed) posts, and to clearly explain what you are persistently failing to understand.
Can you at least consider the possibility that your failure to convince the posters here of the soundness of your arguments is not down to their obstinacy, but to yours? That the reason we reject them is because they simply do not stand up to the most cursory examination?
heydarian saeed
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Hello dear pixel
Nice to see you. Your words are always thought-provoking for me. You are right, I may be stubborn. But the rational-philosophical and logical reasons I put forward in this typology are not because of my stubbornness. Think about it. Philosophy - reason and logic have definite reasons. That is why it cannot be rejected. But as science progresses, it is constantly changing. Of course, I am a positivist, so I see the progress and change of science in the direction of evolution. That is, science is evolving as it progresses and changes. And of course he can not prove God because of his change. It can only prove the signs of God, who are all beings in the universe. And explore.
Thanks
heydarian saeed
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Hello
This is just your impression. You have the right to think about me in your mind. But the reality of my thoughts and ideas is definitely different from yours ...
heydarian saeed
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Do not put too much pressure on yourself to "laugh" and "make others laugh". Your jaw - your tongue and your back may be severely damaged. Take care of your own health.
Pixel42
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Your refusal to see the problems and errors in them, no matter how patiently they are explained to you, is because of your stubbornness.
If you ever decide you would like to find out how the universe really works, instead of deciding what to believe and then finding ways of twisting and misinterpreting everything you see to fit that belief, you might finally realise how blinkered you currently are. But I have little hope of that.
Science is a method of investigating what is true about the world. Science is not a thinking being ... so it cannot "deny" or agree to anything. It is individual scientists who have used the methods of science to make discoveries which explain the world around us … it is scientists who are able to conclude that all sorts of god claims are simply untrue (the god claims are, in fact, all claims of unexplained miracles). But science has actually explained all of those things, and there is no God nor any miracles involved in any of the explanations from science.
I asked you about evolution. I just asked you about that in your very last set of posts here directly on the previous page; and I notice you have again failed to make any response or any answer to that. Instead you come back with more preaching of religious miracles. So I have to ask you again -
- Evolution shows that God definitely did not make Man. Do you understand that?
Or are you going to argue that evolution is wrong and that your God/Allah actually made the first humans?
If you are going to try arguing that God made humans then you must produce real scientific research papers where the authors say that evolution is wrong and where they explain how humans were actually created by God/Allah ... please produce any such papers.
Which science papers "prove the philosophy & mysticism of God"?
Please produce the papers that support your claim.
You also just claimed that “the content of your above post, is a privilege for God" and that your post of "privilege" therefore" proves God. What??? ... where did you ever prove any God? ...
... please produce your claimed "proof" of God.
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Do me a favour, Just exactly where in the Quran does it say all scientific discoveries prove God.?
You put that highlighted sentence in quotation marks. And in the line immediately above you named Stephen Hawking ... but that is not a quote from Hawking is it! ...
... Hawking never said that all of his scientific discoveries "proved God", did he!! And before you give an untruthful answer, the true answer is that Hawking never said any such thing ...
... so who are you quoting when you say "All scientific discoveries in the world by any scientist automatically prove God." ???
You have claimed this over and over, but all you have presented is your belief that it is so.
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It's really bizarre that some theists and particularly Muslims argue that Science proves God. Yet they fail miserably at proving that.
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