The supernatural

[Pixel42]

This is related to the story of the companions of the cave cave. There were 7 ministers of the Roman Empire who separated from the infidels. Because they were God-fearing. So they took refuge in the cave cave. And by God's command, they slept for 309 years !! Yes, they slept for 309 years. And their bodies remained healthy! Because the cave of the cave was affected by a great and special gravitational force by the command of God. Our inference from this story is Einstein's special theory of relativity. Which occurred in this cave. I look at the scientific aspect of it. And it affects me a lot. In the next two verses he refers precisely to the theory of special relativity. And tells the signs. This story really happened.

No, it did not really happen. It's just a story. Nobody lives, yet alone sleeps, for over 300 years, it's impossible.

And the story has nothing whatever to do with special relativity. It's simply laughable to pretend that it does.

And the cave is still there. Two options are offered. Kahf Cave in Yemen and Kahf Cave in Turkey.

Lots of stories are set in places that actually exist, it doesn't make them true stories. There really is a Bakers Street in London, that doesn't mean Sherlock Holmes really existed.


And what does the fact that these particular surah were recently found on a particularly old copy of the Qu'ran which is now at Birmingham University have to do with anything? You appeared to be trying to make a big deal of this, but as far as I can see it's utterly irrelevant.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Hello to all
Our end-of-year holiday (solar year) begins. And I will not be for a few days. take care. Do not be harmed. I want to see you again. In the new year, my only wish is peace, tranquility and intimacy for all the people of the world. And I hope the fire of war is extinguished anywhere in the world. And let all nations be safe. And enjoy their lives well. And I wish everyone success and health. Forgive me if I was not kind to you and stubborn. Our approach is not the same. But this difference should not upset each other. This is the dialogue of human civilization. Everyone is different. The important thing is to love each other.
I love you all. Always laugh and give flowers to each other. Kindness comes at no cost. Just open your beautiful lips a little.
God bless you all

 

[heydarian saeed]

No, it did not really happen. It's just a story. Nobody lives, yet alone sleeps, for over 300 years, it's impossible.

And the story has nothing whatever to do with special relativity. It's simply laughable to pretend that it does.



Lots of stories are set in places that actually exist, it doesn't make them true stories. There really is a Bakers Street in London, that doesn't mean Sherlock Holmes really existed.


And what does the fact that these particular surah were recently found on a particularly old copy of the Qu'ran which is now at Birmingham University have to do with anything? You appeared to be trying to make a big deal of this, but as far as I can see it's utterly irrelevant.

I went. You brought me back again. It is a pity that your forehead wrinkles. Allow your face to always be smooth and clear. You are wonderfully understood. And I'm proud to talk to you.
take care yourself, madam. Good bye

 

[abaddon]

Hello to all
Our end-of-year holiday (solar year) begins. And I will not be for a few days. take care. Do not be harmed. I want to see you again. In the new year, my only wish is peace, tranquility and intimacy for all the people of the world. And I hope the fire of war is extinguished anywhere in the world. And let all nations be safe. And enjoy their lives well. And I wish everyone success and health. Forgive me if I was not kind to you and stubborn. Our approach is not the same. But this difference should not upset each other. This is the dialogue of human civilization. Everyone is different. The important thing is to love each other.
I love you all. Always laugh and give flowers to each other. Kindness comes at no cost. Just open your beautiful lips a little.
God bless you all

The solar year has no defined start or end.

Are you referring to the lunar year?

And Ramadan is over 2 weeks away, starting, appropriately, on April 1st this year.

 

[catsmate]

Exactly the whole universe is an eyewitness to the existence of God.

Delusional rubbish.

I have explained in detail in the philosophical discussions in my previous messages.

More delusional rubbish.

If you want to read my previous messages.

In short: the universe is a disability and must have an ultimate cause as necessary.

Even more delusional rubbish. And a bare assertion, without anything to support it.

This ultimate cause can not be of the universe and matter.

Another bare assertion.

Because the cause chain is repeated again. And is rejected.

Why? Other than your deluded need to believe in supernatural crap.

Therefore, it should not be the ultimate cause of the material world.

Ah, "therefore" the classic wallpaper word.

Therefore, it is an existence that is not the ultimate cause and matter.

Another use of "therefore" to hide your pathetic bare assertion fallacy.

We call this ultimate cause God.

No. You, and those suffering from a similar mental incapacity, do so.

You can give it any name you like. There is no obstacle.

 

[catsmate]

1. Collect surahs
2. ?
3. Prophet!

How many surahs do your need to collect for the free prophet?

 

[catsmate]

No, it did not really happen. It's just a story. Nobody lives, yet alone sleeps, for over 300 years, it's impossible.

Mere facts....

And the story has nothing whatever to do with special relativity. It's simply laughable to pretend that it does.

It impresses the ignorant, a classic tactic of the god-botherers.

Lots of stories are set in places that actually exist, it doesn't make them true stories. There really is a Bakers Street in London, that doesn't mean Sherlock Holmes really existed.

Nitpick.
There are actually a number of "Baker", "Bakers" and even "Bakers'" streets around. There's a "The Street of Those Who Prepare Nourishment in Ovens" in Sabaeus. Syaloch nests there....

And what does the fact that these particular surah were recently found on a particularly old copy of the Qu'ran which is now at Birmingham University have to do with anything? You appeared to be trying to make a big deal of this, but as far as I can see it's utterly irrelevant.

He's trying to impress people with random factoids I believe.

 

[Mojo]

How many surahs do your need to collect for the free prophet?

I have a nasty feeling that stage 2 might involve reciting them to a premium-rate number…

 

[heydarian saeed]

Hi
Happy New Year and the beginning of the new solar century to all of you. There will be special events in this new year. Of course, these events will not be useful for anyone. And it will not have good consequences. I hope no one is harmed anywhere on earth. And the health of all human beings is preserved.Be vigilant.Good bye

 

[Mojo]

Hello again, Saeed.

There’s a question you seem to have missed:

These verses are either explicit and clear. Or said with metaphor and allusion.

How do you tell which of these categories a given verse is in?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Hello again, Saeed.

There’s a question you seem to have missed:




How do you tell which of these categories a given verse is in?

Hello
First, it is necessary to re-examine the definition of these two types of verses from the perspective of the Qur'an. God says in 3/7: "It is" similar. "(Says a metaphor and says something). Strong verses have a clear meaning that there is no room for denial, justification or abuse.
But "similar" due to the high level of content or discussion about points and sciences that are beyond our reach, or we have not yet understood, such as the world of resurrection and the attributes of God Almighty and modern science ... are such that understanding the ultimate meaning and mysteries and realization They literally require special sciences and special skills. Therefore, God says: Only God and those who are steadfast in the knowledge of the secrets know these verses.
And explain to the people. Therefore, in dealing with similar verses, one should refer to the true and skilled scientists and their scientific contents. Of course, we may still not be able to fully understand the true meaning of these verses. Because its level of understanding is very high. We believe that God Himself knows the true meaning of these verses.
Of course, the prophets who have been associated with God through revelation also understand the true meaning of such verses. Various theories have been presented about the criteria and determination of similar verses, including: 1. Courts are verses that have clear reasons. And introduce principles and rules. But similar verses require much reflection. 2. Strong verses have one meaning. While similar verses have several possible meanings in them.
In fact, similar verses of the Qur'an must be deciphered. And this issue needs a lot of research and effort. On the other hand, those who follow this path should be aware of various sciences. And always update their knowledge and teachings. We have about 2500 similar verses in the Quran. And in the Bible, the revelation section has the same kind of verses. Of course, only stories are used in the Apocalypse. But in the Qur'an, metaphorical and more scientific stories and materials have been used. We believe that all the holy books of the prophets were sent by God.
Of course, some people have distorted the contents of these books. Literacy and writing tools have also been very limited. And things are used that are not common at all nowadays. In the time of Muhammad, the literacy of the people has improved. And the writing tools have been better. On the other hand, the contents of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad by God in a way that was more general. Therefore, distortion in it has been impossible. Therefore, God Himself has guaranteed in the Qur'an that the Qur'an is distortion. One of the important reasons for this is the existence of these similar verses.
Thanks

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Again, god isn't real Heydarian. He just isn't. He's a just-so story that was fitted around the social opinions of the people who created him hence why he is against perfectly normal and harmless things such as homosexuality or eating shellfish but is all for evil things like slavery.

Please provide evidence that a god, any god, actually exists. Your say so isn't evidence. The Quran is not evidence any more than Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone is evidence that there's a platform 9 ^3/4 at Kings Cross station.

It's poorly written gibberish. It isn't a textbook.

 

[IanS]

Hello
First, it is necessary to re-examine the definition of these two types of verses from the perspective of the Qur'an. God says in 3/7: "It is" similar. "(Says a metaphor and says something). Strong verses have a clear meaning that there is no room for denial, justification or abuse.
But "similar" due to the high level of content or discussion about points and sciences that are beyond our reach, or we have not yet understood, such as the world of resurrection and the attributes of God Almighty and modern science ... are such that understanding the ultimate meaning and mysteries and realization They literally require special sciences and special skills. Therefore, God says: Only God and those who are steadfast in the knowledge of the secrets know these verses.
And explain to the people. Therefore, in dealing with similar verses, one should refer to the true and skilled scientists and their scientific contents. Of course, we may still not be able to fully understand the true meaning of these verses. Because its level of understanding is very high. We believe that God Himself knows the true meaning of these verses.
Of course, the prophets who have been associated with God through revelation also understand the true meaning of such verses. Various theories have been presented about the criteria and determination of similar verses, including: 1. Courts are verses that have clear reasons. And introduce principles and rules. But similar verses require much reflection. 2. Strong verses have one meaning. While similar verses have several possible meanings in them.
In fact, similar verses of the Qur'an must be deciphered. And this issue needs a lot of research and effort. On the other hand, those who follow this path should be aware of various sciences. And always update their knowledge and teachings. We have about 2500 similar verses in the Quran. And in the Bible, the revelation section has the same kind of verses. Of course, only stories are used in the Apocalypse. But in the Qur'an, metaphorical and more scientific stories and materials have been used. We believe that all the holy books of the prophets were sent by God.
Of course, some people have distorted the contents of these books. Literacy and writing tools have also been very limited. And things are used that are not common at all nowadays. In the time of Muhammad, the literacy of the people has improved. And the writing tools have been better. On the other hand, the contents of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad by God in a way that was more general. Therefore, distortion in it has been impossible. Therefore, God Himself has guaranteed in the Qur'an that the Qur'an is distortion. One of the important reasons for this is the existence of these similar verses.
Thanks

Most of the above is a series of meaningless sentences which contradict one after another. But you are talking there about "special science" skills and special levels of understanding of science etc., and I asked you weeks back what are your own qualifications and proven expertise in science? And I asked you about that because you were dismissing the explanations which I have given to you several times now for why there is no need for any so-called "first cause" (ie a God), and I explained to you why there is no such thing as truly "Nothing" and why the Big Bang occurs as a matter of inevitable quantum fluctuations within the so-called Vacuum Energy" ... but your response to all of that was just to dismiss it by mere "hand waving" and to write as if you are some sort of expert on science and where you have constantly talked-down to everyone here as if presenting yourself as a properly qualified expert on science ...

... so that is why I asked you what are your actual qualifications in research-level science? ... and so far you have refused any reply or answer to that at all.

There are people in this thread who have Phd's (and more, beyond that) in exactly the sort of science that you have been talking about ... so who are you to say that their explanations are wrong and to simply hand-wave it all away by saying "we do not accept"?

It seems abundantly clear that you have no interest at all in actually learning any of the science that you have mentioned here (eg claimed revelations in the Quran), and no willingness at all to have an honest objective discussion of what has just been explained to you ... but where the actual real published science very clearly and unarguably explains why you are wrong (and I have explained that to you several times now).

 

[Scorpion]

Hello
First, it is necessary to re-examine the definition of these two types of verses from the perspective of the Qur'an. God says in 3/7: "It is" similar. "(Says a metaphor and says something). Strong verses have a clear meaning that there is no room for denial, justification or abuse.
But "similar" due to the high level of content or discussion about points and sciences that are beyond our reach, or we have not yet understood, such as the world of resurrection and the attributes of God Almighty and modern science ... are such that understanding the ultimate meaning and mysteries and realization They literally require special sciences and special skills. Therefore, God says: Only God and those who are steadfast in the knowledge of the secrets know these verses.
And explain to the people. Therefore, in dealing with similar verses, one should refer to the true and skilled scientists and their scientific contents. Of course, we may still not be able to fully understand the true meaning of these verses. Because its level of understanding is very high. We believe that God Himself knows the true meaning of these verses.
Of course, the prophets who have been associated with God through revelation also understand the true meaning of such verses. Various theories have been presented about the criteria and determination of similar verses, including: 1. Courts are verses that have clear reasons. And introduce principles and rules. But similar verses require much reflection. 2. Strong verses have one meaning. While similar verses have several possible meanings in them.
In fact, similar verses of the Qur'an must be deciphered. And this issue needs a lot of research and effort. On the other hand, those who follow this path should be aware of various sciences. And always update their knowledge and teachings. We have about 2500 similar verses in the Quran. And in the Bible, the revelation section has the same kind of verses. Of course, only stories are used in the Apocalypse. But in the Qur'an, metaphorical and more scientific stories and materials have been used. We believe that all the holy books of the prophets were sent by God.
Of course, some people have distorted the contents of these books. Literacy and writing tools have also been very limited. And things are used that are not common at all nowadays. In the time of Muhammad, the literacy of the people has improved. And the writing tools have been better. On the other hand, the contents of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad by God in a way that was more general. Therefore, distortion in it has been impossible. Therefore, God Himself has guaranteed in the Qur'an that the Qur'an is distortion. One of the important reasons for this is the existence of these similar verses.
Thanks

Yadda, yadda, yadda. You can kiss my butt. The way you talk up the Quran makes me sick. It cannot possibly be a message from God, unless God is a mumbling monster. I have already posted most of my criticisms of the Quran on this thread, and there is no point repeating them.

The Quran is a rambling, repetitive, load of utter trash.

 

[ynot]

Yadda, yadda, yadda. You can kiss my butt. The way you talk up the Quran makes me sick. It cannot possibly be a message from God, unless God is a mumbling monster. I have already posted most of my criticisms of the Quran on this thread, and there is no point repeating them.

The Quran is a rambling, repetitive, load of utter trash.

And so is The Bible.

ALL invisible, magical sky-daddy (god) beliefs are nothing more than normallised forms of insanity.

 

[Thor 2]

So heydarian saeed has taken his Koran and gone home for good it seems.

You have to wonder about these Koran, Bible, Book Of Mormon thumpers, who turn up from time to time. Their approach is always the same. Just preaching their particular gospel and showing no aptitude towards reason.

I am impressed by the resilience of those skeptics, in our ranks, who try to engage them, seemingly tirelessly, to no avail.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Most of the above is a series of meaningless sentences which contradict one after another. But you are talking there about "special science" skills and special levels of understanding of science etc., and I asked you weeks back what are your own qualifications and proven expertise in science? And I asked you about that because you were dismissing the explanations which I have given to you several times now for why there is no need for any so-called "first cause" (ie a God), and I explained to you why there is no such thing as truly "Nothing" and why the Big Bang occurs as a matter of inevitable quantum fluctuations within the so-called Vacuum Energy" ... but your response to all of that was just to dismiss it by mere "hand waving" and to write as if you are some sort of expert on science and where you have constantly talked-down to everyone here as if presenting yourself as a properly qualified expert on science ...

... so that is why I asked you what are your actual qualifications in research-level science? ... and so far you have refused any reply or answer to that at all.

There are people in this thread who have Phd's (and more, beyond that) in exactly the sort of science that you have been talking about ... so who are you to say that their explanations are wrong and to simply hand-wave it all away by saying "we do not accept"?

It seems abundantly clear that you have no interest at all in actually learning any of the science that you have mentioned here (eg claimed revelations in the Quran), and no willingness at all to have an honest objective discussion of what has just been explained to you ... but where the actual real published science very clearly and unarguably explains why you are wrong (and I have explained that to you several times now).

Hello philosopher
Maybe ... but I specialize in industrial safety and occupational health. Of course, I have many studies in the field of philosophy. I have said a point many times in this group. But unfortunately you ignore it.
The issue of "proving God" is not in the realm of experimental science. You study - prove and discover matter in the universe. Well, this is a completely logical and accepted approach. And we totally agree with that.
But the proving God is not in this area. Proving God is a philosophical approach. Do you, dear philosopher, accept this? That .... is the proving God through philosophy and logic.
We prove God through philosophy and logic. And I have said its ways many times in this group. Experimental science is in the field of matter and the universe. And proves it. And all human beings agree. And there is no denying it. Proof of God is not in the realm of experimental science and matter. And it is proved through philosophy - logic and mysticism. This is why the approach to proving God is different from the experimental sciences. Understand this and that.
Why do you deny this fact? And you just do storytelling? The reason for this is that: your unwarranted pride and arrogance prevent you from accepting the truth. And this approach is completely wrong. I have no insistence on proving God to you. I'm just sorry you can't think right. And you have the wrong prejudice. Unrighteous pride is not good at all.

 

[Pixel42]

No, it is not possible to prove God using philosophy and logic. There are always alternative explanations which are at least as, and usually far more, plausible and supportable. Occam's Razor is often all that's required to justify rejecting the God hypothesis.

People have been trying to prove God using philosophy and logic for centuries, heydarian. None have succeeded, though I doubt many have failed quite as spectacularly as you have.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Thinking is a faith hazard.No...

Thinking is a sign of true faith. All my speeches and messages in this group are due to correct thinking with faith in God, the Qur'an and Muhammad. No one can win the fight against them. The efforts of all infidels in this way are in vain. And its failure is quite clear. And we see. This is not my claim. God has said. Enmity with God is absolute destruction.
I see the day when the whole universe is wrapped like paper by God. And leads to singularity. The sun is getting dark. It turns red. grows. Swallows the planets of the solar system one by one. It turns into a black hole. Gravity is 20 billion times greater. Swallows systems and galaxies. All the stars are getting dark. And become black holes.
Everything we see falls into "the black hole". And it goes to ... "sigularity". The end of the universe is reaching "the single". And the single goes to "nothingness". This is the process of the universe and its end. All data and information of the universe is stored in a book dedicated to God.And God recreates the universe. Creation is not new. It is a re-creation. And with exactly the advanced teleportation mechanism, it returns everything. You discover all this with experimental science, especially quantum. And you will understand. I understand all these sciences by reading and interpreting the Qur'an. And I discover.
See the discoveries of James Webb. Only a corner of this claim has been proven by God in the Qur'an. And it still continues. And you will see more. Hawking has proven these scientific facts in astronomy and quantum. And it is only a corner of God's claim in the Qur'an. I'm proud of Hawking for proving God with his valuable discoveries. Of course, he proved the signs of God in the universe. Experimental science discovers God's creatures. And it shows that they have a creator and a Manufacturer. And of course we prove the existence of God with philosophy - logic and mysticism. Experimental sciences and theology are closely related. You just have to understand. And decrypted. I have no claim. I'm just trying to understand this relationship. And I'm completely satisfied.And it is extremely enjoyable.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No, it is not possible to prove God using philosophy and logic. There are always alternative explanations which are at least as, and usually far more, plausible and supportable. Occam's Razor is often all that's required to justify rejecting the God hypothesis.

People have been trying to prove God using philosophy and logic for centuries, heydarian. None have succeeded, though I doubt many have failed quite as spectacularly as you have.

Hello Dear Pixel
I'm glad to see you.

There is no doubt. Victory belongs to God alone. Whatever is in the way of God is victorious. We have seen this for centuries. Please read the history. To see better. Enmity with God is absolute destruction. Maybe for a short time the thoughts of God have a word of disbelief. Of course, something that is only acceptable to them. But this is a very short time. Definite and permanent victory is for believing in God. History has made this clear. And it still continues.