The supernatural

[abaddon]

That reminds me of the "clever" creationist who asked the evolutionist, "Is it from your mother's side or your father's side of the family that you claim to have descended from a monkey?"

Daft argument for them to make. Are you making it now?

The abiogenesis theory is that living matter arouse from non living matter through a series of chemical reactions. That original non living matter or "primordial pool" may indeed have been "mud & water".

There is no "theory of abiogenesis". There are many hypotheses for abiogenesis. None has reached the lofty status of a scientific theory. I have no idea why this has to be explained yet again. A scientific theory is not some wild guess.

Of course, the Qu'ran text about mud and water is about as likely to have been dictated by Allah as the Genesis account of Adam being created from dust to have been dictated by God. It doesn't take a Mensa mind to speculate that life arose from some matter from this planet.

Golf clap.

 

[psionl0]

Daft argument for them to make. Are you making it now?

There is no "theory of abiogenesis". There are many hypotheses for abiogenesis. None has reached the lofty status of a scientific theory. I have no idea why this has to be explained yet again. A scientific theory is not some wild guess.


Golf clap.

You are firing disagreements in all directions.

I have no idea why you change the words "abiogenesis theory" into "THE theory of abiogenesis". Does it make it easier for you to argue against me? Do you deny that living things came from non living matter?

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian,

So now you have the approval of God and Muhammad.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

As for the approval of Imams, name one.

Further more, how can you have the approval of Muhammad as according to your beliefs he is dust waiting for the day of judgement to be resurrected?

 

[heydarian saeed]

And how does one determine that "verses are about his own historical events" and thus do not apply to the World today but are right and just forever as the revealed Word of God?

Those verses are about his own historical events. And not for our time. Of course, it is a lesson. If the situation is the same. The procedure is the same as the action.
Hello. To. God's laws are eternal. Of course in the context of a similar event. I have given the answer in my text. pay attention :
Those verses are about his own historical events. And not for our time. Of course, it is a lesson. If the situation is the same. The procedure is the same as the action.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Heydarian,


Further more, how can you have the approval of Muhammad as according to your beliefs he is dust waiting for the day of judgement to be resurrected?

Do you accept Muhammad? To tell you how I have the approval of Muhammad and the Imams? This is not a claim. It is in the Qur'an and the hadiths of Muhammad and the Imams. You never know. Unfortunately, you do not read the Quran. And brings content from unreliable sources. And worse than that, you interpret that unreliable material. And you just insult. I do not see a good end for you. I'm sorry. I can not help you. I only entrust you to God. Does he know how to deal with you?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Well the above is just a complete mass of irrelevant Gobbledygook", and is clearly your hopeless attempt of trying to flood the forum with words in an effort to decieve everyone with a blatant cover-up for whatever you going to actually say in your follwing post ! … that is a dishonest disgrace for you try that here (actually trying it AGAIN, for the 50th time or more!) … but anywhay, below is what you finally actually admit in that following post -





Right, so … look at that first highlighted sentence of your above post – there you grudgingly admit that the Koarn, which you claim to be the actual words of God himself, says that he made humans from some mud! ...

… that claim of human creation in the Koran is flat-out 100% wrong isn't it!? You cannot make human people from some mud & water … Can You?? No!... , the answer is “No, you cannot do that, your Koran and the God are wrong”! ...

That is the central foundational claim of your religion, a claim on which the whole religious belief in God stands or falls, and the claim is 100% lauagbly wrong!

Your Koran is untrue & wrong. Your God is untrue & wrong … and in fact it's so badly wrong in it's very most important belief, that even a child of 10 would burst out laughing at how hopelessly uneducated and ignorant your belief/god/koran is!

please be patient. Wait until the end of my article. And read. Tell us your problems or questions at the end of the article. Never rush.You do not highlight the article. And do not maneuver on it for no reason. I'm sorry. Wait for me to complete my article. As soon as you highlight. It is one of the problems of the early interpreters of the meaning and interpretation of the Qur'an. And it's wrong. And we reject it. I have explained this completely in the text of my article. Why are you in a hurry? Because you do not have enough knowledge. Or you intentionally want to pollute the space. To distract the public mind. Why not wait. I'm sorry for you. You do not highlight the article. And do not maneuver on it for no reason. I'm sorry. Wait for me to complete my article. As soon as you highlight. It is one of the problems of the early interpreters of the meaning and interpretation of the Qur'an. And it's wrong. And we reject it. I have explained this completely in the text of my article. Why are you in a hurry? Because you do not have enough knowledge. Or you intentionally want to pollute the space. To distract the public mind. Why not wait. I'm sorry for you. Be patient. You do not highlight the article. And do not maneuver on it for no reason. I'm sorry. Wait for me to complete my article. As soon as you highlight. It is one of the problems of the early interpreters of the meaning and interpretation of the Qur'an. And it's wrong. And we reject it. I have explained this completely in the text of my article. Why are you in a hurry? Because you do not have enough knowledge. Or you intentionally want to pollute the space. To distract the public mind. Why not wait. I'm sorry for you. Be patient. Be patient. Be patient.

 

[Scorpion]

Do you accept Muhammad? To tell you how I have the approval of Muhammad and the Imams? This is not a claim. It is in the Qur'an and the hadiths of Muhammad and the Imams. You never know. Unfortunately, you do not read the Quran. And brings content from unreliable sources. And worse than that, you interpret that unreliable material. And you just insult. I do not see a good end for you. I'm sorry. I can not help you. I only entrust you to God. Does he know how to deal with you?

NO ! I do not accept Muhammad. As far as I am concerned he was a lying bandit not a prophet of God.

What do you mean it is in the Quran that your meddling with the text is approved?

I have read the Quran three times, and nearly all of what I post is my own writings about it.

 

[IanS]

please be patient. Wait until the end of my article. And read. Tell us your problems or questions at the end of the article. Never rush.You do not highlight the article. And do not maneuver on it for no reason. I'm sorry. Wait for me to complete my article. As soon as you highlight. It is one of the problems of the early interpreters of the meaning and interpretation of the Qur'an. And it's wrong. And we reject it. I have explained this completely in the text of my article. Why are you in a hurry? Because you do not have enough knowledge. Or you intentionally want to pollute the space. To distract the public mind. Why not wait. I'm sorry for you. You do not highlight the article. And do not maneuver on it for no reason. I'm sorry. Wait for me to complete my article. As soon as you highlight. It is one of the problems of the early interpreters of the meaning and interpretation of the Qur'an. And it's wrong. And we reject it. I have explained this completely in the text of my article. Why are you in a hurry? Because you do not have enough knowledge. Or you intentionally want to pollute the space. To distract the public mind. Why not wait. I'm sorry for you. Be patient. You do not highlight the article. And do not maneuver on it for no reason. I'm sorry. Wait for me to complete my article. As soon as you highlight. It is one of the problems of the early interpreters of the meaning and interpretation of the Qur'an. And it's wrong. And we reject it. I have explained this completely in the text of my article. Why are you in a hurry? Because you do not have enough knowledge. Or you intentionally want to pollute the space. To distract the public mind. Why not wait. I'm sorry for you. Be patient. Be patient. Be patient.

No! ..... No, we have been very patient indeed with hundreds of your posts for months now. The question was, and remains, incredibly simple - Q:- what does God himself say that he did to "create" Man? ... that means you need to quote the actual verse from the Koran!! ...

... do NOT just write a reply with what you think the Koran might have meant. That is 100% useless and of no value or interest to anyone here. Just quote the actual words of God from the Koran ... what does he say for how he "created" humans?

We know the answer. You gave it yourself, in the end, after massive evasion and prevaricating and delays from you ... the answer is that God insists that he just used some Earthly "Mud" …

… and we now know (it's the 21st century, you know?) that humans were not “created” from some “mud” … right? … do you understand that??

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Those verses are about his own historical events. And not for our time. Of course, it is a lesson. If the situation is the same. The procedure is the same as the action.
Hello. To. God's laws are eternal. Of course in the context of a similar event. I have given the answer in my text. pay attention :
Those verses are about his own historical events. And not for our time. Of course, it is a lesson. If the situation is the same. The procedure is the same as the action.

Ah. But how is "the context of a similar event" or "If the situation is the same" to be determined and by whom? Do you not see the problem?

 

[abaddon]

You are firing disagreements in all directions.

I have no idea why you change the words "abiogenesis theory" into "THE theory of abiogenesis". Does it make it easier for you to argue against me? Do you deny that living things came from non living matter?

Nope. It merely illustrates that you have no clue what "theory" means in science.

As for life coming from non-living matter, that is a given. It is oddly one thing science and all religions agree upon. Once there was no life, then there was. Did you even have a point?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Hello. I am pleased with what you said. I have no claim. My reason for my interpretation of the Qur'an is this: The meanings and interpretations given to the Qur'an are all based on the science of the seventh century. As you know, most scientific laws of the seventh century have fundamental changes. And is not valid. Therefore, the same science of the seventh century is based on the beliefs of the commentators and interpreters of the Qur'an. And unfortunately the meaning and interpretation of the past has not been updated. Therefore, when you read those meanings and interpretations, you will be confused and confused. And you see nothing but myths and superstitions. And you are right. Thanks to God, I try to study and extract the scientific and up-to-date contents of the Qur'an in similar verses. And to interpret and interpret the Qur'an according to modern science. And I try my best in this. My goal is to update the meaning and interpretation of the Qur'an. This is approved by God, the Prophet and our Imams.Thanks

I appreciate that you answer most posts, despite your condescending manner.

OK; so you say you have taken upon you to rewrite your holy book. And you claim the authority for this is given to you by the very book you want to rewrite?

So, even if I had confidence in the Qur'an why would I accept your power to rewrite it, since you undermine it by rewriting it?

And if I don't have confidence in it, why should I have more confidence in your version?

Hans

 

[psionl0]

Nope. It merely illustrates that you have no clue what "theory" means in science.

As for life coming from non-living matter, that is a given. It is oddly one thing science and all religions agree upon. Once there was no life, then there was. Did you even have a point?

If you think that your pedantry proves something then good for you.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

This is just a claim. Back it up with evidence.

You can claim anything you like, but that doesn't make it true, that just makes it your opinion. Back up your claims, don't just restate them and expect people to accept that.

This is meaningless gibberish that doesn't address my question.
No you haven't. You've made grandiose claims that other posters have taken apart. Your only response is to restate your claims. That's not acceptable Heydarian.

Also I note that in all of your waffle you never even attempted to rebut my claims about the Quran being filled with hate, including the specific charges against the Jews in it. All you did was restate your unevidenced opinion that the Quran's commandments to kill no longer apply. Ok, even if I accept that as true, what about all the places where Allah himself expresses bigoted, hateful views and condemns people to burn in hell forever (literally) simply for the crime of not believing in him?

Well Heydarian?

 

[heydarian saeed]

NO ! I do not accept Muhammad. As far as I am concerned he was a lying bandit not a prophet of God.

What do you mean it is in the Quran that your meddling with the text is approved?

I have read the Quran three times, and nearly all of what I post is my own writings about it.

Muhammad PBUH does not need to accept you. Wake up your rabbit. Wake up yourself. Do not let them wake you up. Do not let them flatten you. By the way, I do not know Rashed Khalifa. None of my material is from what he said. You understood these well. But you have a prejudice to deny. it's up to you. Continuing your procedure will not be in your favor. You do not have the necessary resistance to damage. Not in your favor.
Your understanding is not as good as that of the educated Karen Armstrong. But I advised you to read his book. To find out who Muhammad is? Stop nonsense and lying. I saw your character better than this. But alas. You answer these few questions: What is the soul? What is the function of the soul? Where is the soul in the human body? Where does the soul go after human death? After answering these questions, tell your source and degree.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No! ..... No, we have been very patient indeed with hundreds of your posts for months now. The question was, and remains, incredibly simple - Q:- what does God himself say that he did to "create" Man? ... that means you need to quote the actual verse from the Koran!! ...

... do NOT just write a reply with what you think the Koran might have meant. That is 100% useless and of no value or interest to anyone here. Just quote the actual words of God from the Koran ... what does he say for how he "created" humans?

We know the answer. You gave it yourself, in the end, after massive evasion and prevaricating and delays from you ... the answer is that God insists that he just used some Earthly "Mud" …

… and we now know (it's the 21st century, you know?) that humans were not “created” from some “mud” … right? … do you understand that??

I write exactly the meaning of the verses of the Quran. In the verses of the Qur'an, some things are said. And he has said the rest in other verses. And not all verses are connected. For example, a verse is mentioned in Sura 2 and its further explanation is given in a verse in Sura 3. Even in one verse there are key points that explain something else in the same verse. If you want to understand the Qur'an well, you must be familiar with the rules of Arabic translation, history, geography, biology, astronomy, physics, chemistry and many other sciences. Also, know the key points in interpreting the Qur'an. This requires training and practice. If you want to understand the Qur'an well, study the issues mentioned and take action for education.
For example, I will tell you only one thing. "The logic and saying of the Qur'an is not in the creation of man and no other living thing to be made of mud." The Qur'an mentions the four stages of evolution for man. The logic of the Qur'an categorically rejects "fixism". You can not wait for me to explain to you in full. Read the whole article. do not judge soon.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Well Heydarian?

Your worries are useless. There is no hell. As you think. I will see you in singularity. be patient.
This is the logic of the Qur'an. And in vain to nail the door and the wall. And you hurt yourself. Enough man. Take care of your health.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I appreciate that you answer most posts, despite your condescending manner.

OK; so you say you have taken upon you to rewrite your holy book. And you claim the authority for this is given to you by the very book you want to rewrite?

So, even if I had confidence in the Qur'an why would I accept your power to rewrite it, since you undermine it by rewriting it?

And if I don't have confidence in it, why should I have more confidence in your version?

Hans

Hello. Thank you. it's up to you. It is not mandatory. Like you, I hate superstition and superstition. Our Bible is an abandoned Qur'an. Because its meaning and interpretations are not up to date. The content of modern science lies in it. But we Muslims unfortunately do not study it to extract the scientific content of the day. And understand. This is unfortunate. If you, like the old Muslims, think with superstitious thoughts about the Qur'an. I advise you not to do this. Please be up to date.
The Quran is a hidden treasure. Which must be found by mapping and decoding it. This is not possible for everyone. This is guided by God. Guides anyone he wants. To understand the Qur'an. And reach this precious treasure. I shake your hand in this way. Those who think and speak wisely and without prejudice. I put it on my eyes. And I kiss their faces. God, free us from prejudice and superstition. And guide us.

 

[psionl0]

Muhammad PBUH does not need to accept you. Wake up your rabbit. Wake up yourself. Do not let them wake you up. Do not let them flatten you. By the way, I do not know Rashed Khalifa. None of my material is from what he said. You understood these well. But you have a prejudice to deny. it's up to you. Continuing your procedure will not be in your favor. You do not have the necessary resistance to damage. Not in your favor.
Your understanding is not as good as that of the educated Karen Armstrong. But I advised you to read his book. To find out who Muhammad is? Stop nonsense and lying. I saw your character better than this. But alas. You answer these few questions: What is the soul? What is the function of the soul? Where is the soul in the human body? Where does the soul go after human death? After answering these questions, tell your source and degree.

Why the hostility? You asked the question. Did you think that anybody in this forum would respond in the affirmative?

 

[IanS]

I write exactly the meaning of the verses of the Quran. In the verses of the Qur'an, some things are said. And he has said the rest in other verses. And not all verses are connected. For example, a verse is mentioned in Sura 2 and its further explanation is given in a verse in Sura 3. Even in one verse there are key points that explain something else in the same verse. If you want to understand the Qur'an well, you must be familiar with the rules of Arabic translation, history, geography, biology, astronomy, physics, chemistry and many other sciences. Also, know the key points in interpreting the Qur'an. This requires training and practice. If you want to understand the Qur'an well, study the issues mentioned and take action for education.
For example, I will tell you only one thing. "The logic and saying of the Qur'an is not in the creation of man and no other living thing to be made of mud." The Qur'an mentions the four stages of evolution for man. The logic of the Qur'an categorically rejects "fixism". You can not wait for me to explain to you in full. Read the whole article. do not judge soon.

You are yet again shown to be prevaricating and trying always to avoid the simple question, that is thoroughly dishonest of you - just produce the actual sentence from God in the Koran ... JUST QUOTE THE ACTUAL SENTENCE FROM THE KORAN ...

Produce the quote from the Koran!

We all know what that sentence says, it's God himself making that sentence, and he says that he made a Man from some mud ...

... but even a 12 year old knows that humans were never made from "Mud", to believe that is childish and ignorant in the extreme …

… tell us how it's possible to make a human from some mud, how can that happen??

... QUOTE THE SENTENCE PLEASE - how did God make Man? What does he himself say for that in the Koran ???

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[Pixel42]

Your problem, heydarian, is that your arguments are just not convincing. They're desperate stuff, truly pathetic. Anyone unfamiliar with the Qu'ran is going to be more, not less, convinced that it's utter tosh with every post you make. Whatever it was you thought you could achieve here, you are failing. Badly.