The supernatural

[Tassman]

It is from the Quran. And the Qur'an is the word of God. Do not bore yourself in vain.

NO. The Koran comprises the words of scribes recording Muhammad’s conversations over a twenty-year period. It is NOT the word of your god any more than the bible is the “word” of the X’tian deity. In both instances, they are the words of men which the faithful choose to attribute to their god as an act of faith. But they are NOT the 'word' of either deity, because there are no deities..

 

[sackett]

"Do not bore yourself in vain." Damn, that comes SO close to sounding like wisdom.

 

[abaddon]

"Do not bore yourself in vain." Damn, that comes SO close to sounding like wisdom.

Or something Deepak Chopra would say.

 

[IanS]

I do not follow any of the Islamic scholars in the scientific interpretation of the Qur'an. I use their apparent meaning and general interpretation. But I do not follow them in the scientific interpretation which is the scientific decoding of similar verses of the Qur'an. Please You get that thought out of your mind.

If you are not getting your claims of science from earlier Islamic writers, then whatever gave you the idea that such verses of the Koran were about science? Who or what ever gave you that idea?

Are you saying that you are the first Muslim ever to believe that the Koran contains hundreds of sentences describing modern science? Or claiming that you thought this idea up all on your own?

Because AFAIK various people writing about the Koran, have been making these claims for at least the last 50 years.

 

[Scorpion]

I'm really sorry for you. You are deliberately distorting the divine verses in the Qur'an.

Where did I distort the verses I quoted. I simply typed them in direct from the Yusuf Ali translation. There is nothing divine about them, they are cruel.
Here is another unholy verse from the false prophet Muhammad.

Quran surah 5.33
The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and his messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion. or cutting off the hands and feet from opposite sides. Or exile from the land; That is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the hereafter.

 

[heydarian saeed]

You have never answered those 3 or 4 simple questions at all. You have never even looked back to see those questions when I first asked you to do that weeks ago. You promised that you would look back & answer them, but of course you never have!





Nobody here needs you to tell us that your Koran "is not a scientific encyclopedia"; everyone here knows that far better than you!

Afaik the Koran was written in ancient Arabic, in which case afaik it would not have used the word “particle”, and certainly not to explain that all things are made of very tiny “particles” that are far too small for a human eye to see.

I expect that what you mean is that the Koran uses some other Arabic word which you are now “Interpreting” to mean a “particle” … but when you claim that you are “interpreting”, what you actually mean is that you are dishonestly inventing a religious belief.

You mention numerous passages of the Koran, claiming again that they answer modern science. These are all the same passages that you have claimed many times here before. But you only give one actual Quote, and that is where you say this as an explanation of sub-atomic particles - "It is not hidden, nor is it less than it, nor is it greater than it, unless it is in a clear book." … but that makes no mention of any particles, and no mention of anything remotely like subatomic particle-fields at all … there is absolutely zero there in your own quote about any atomic structure.

You are right. Because you do not know Arabic. The word particle and smaller than a particle is mentioned 29 times in the Qur'an. If you do not agree with me. Please seek help from someone who knows Arabic and is familiar with it.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I do not intend to insult you and your opinions. Because you are a human being, I respect you according to the Quranic teachings. And you accept God, so I push you in my arms. I advise you to think realistically. Follow the reality. Dreaming and daydreaming is not a good way. The angel is the same as the four laws of physics in the natural world. The soul is the command of God. In living things, its place is in the genome. And manually manages the living being. And monitors. Spirit all living information through the space strings that exist infinitely.
They are sent to the clear book of God. In other words, they send the creation to the huge hard disk. And for every human being, his information is protected. According to the information recorded by the soul of every human being, God will recreate him on the Day of Judgment. There are two theories here. Or the whole universe exists in the parallel world, which is matter, in exchange. That is, there is a parallel earth in the parallel world. Your body exists in a parallel world. Whatever you do. Every word you say is copied from this world to a parallel world like a computer in your imitation. And stored.
Science has proven a parallel world. And there. The parallel world is like a hard disk with the greatness of creation. Another theory is that all human information is 27 billion megabytes. It will be transferred to the resurrection through the wormhole. And according to the advanced technology of teleportation, the photons of every human being are exactly in their place in the body. And man is recreated. All this is said in the Qur'an. I can tell you in detail with the Quranic verse and its surah. In a perfect opportunity.
Our technology is not yet able to take even "one human being" from one place in the world to another via teleportation. But on the Day of Judgment, God will recreate "all human beings" using the same technology. This is not a claim. It is a truth that is said in the Qur'an. The Quran is a book of science and technology. It is said in similar verses. It is up to us to decipher it. It does not tell the details. Only Ramsey says. Until we discover.
You see that as you speak against the Qur'an. And you are the enemy of the Quran. I speak in front of you in favor of the Qur'an. Know that you and I were created by God. Matter and antimatter were created by God. Matter and energy were created by God. And as long as God wills, the balance between matter and antimatter will be maintained. On the Day of Judgment, God will bring out the energies and forces of the natural world. The heavens will weaken. And will collapse. The earth and everything in it. The universe and everything in it. We return to the elementary particles from which we are made. We will all go to the Day of Judgment through the wormhole with a diameter of 10 to the power of minus 31. It is very hard to imagine these conversations. And it is unbelievable. But it will happen. Because that is God's way. It is God's special way. No one is able to deal with it.
I hope we all think wisely about God and the Qur'an. A Muslim is one who surrenders only to God. Nothing else. Merciful God - Almighty and Mighty And wise. I love you all.

This sentence is modified: 27 billion megabytes - ... ten to the power of 27 bytes. thanks

 

[heydarian saeed]

After the introductory remarks that I have made, I now want to tell you about the fundamental particles that are mentioned in the verses similar to the divine punishment. And the quality and nature of the divine punishment that I have not told you so far. You see, our mentality of divine punishment is completely wrong by looking at the appearance of the verses of the Qur'an. We only see the appearance of the meaning of the verses of the Qur'an. While the main point is completely scientific. But we do not pay attention to it. Please read the following:
According to the Qur'an, or rather the worldview of human creation in the Qur'an, all material worlds originated from God. And "they return to Him." The rotation of creation and the return to the starting point of creation are key points in this discussion.
This key point is stated in verse 50 of Sura 17.
Meaning: (The disbelievers say: It is not possible for our rotten and destroyed bones to come back! And who will do that?) Say: (It is easy to bring back the broken bones) If you are a stone. Or be iron. Or whatever you think is harder and bigger. You will be motivated. They say who recreates us? Say: The One who created you for the first time from the expansion of the universe. And brought it out. They say: When is this event? Say it might be too close.
Apparent meaning: I opened you for the first time. And the inner meaning of the verse with reference to cosmology: You were within the expansion of the universe that had not yet been opened. And from there we created or opened you. And God does not say: I created you from there. Because creation wants raw material. And the raw material has not been created and released yet. However, all Islamic commentators have translated the word open to mean - He created me. This is in accordance with the appearance of the verse. But it is not true. And it is wrong.
From the beginning of the Big Bang to the opening of the universe or the beginning of the expansion of the universe as matter begins to form, astronomy calls the "Planck range."
The material world, including man, came out of the expansion of the universe. And return to expansion. So it became clear that we came out of the expansion of the universe. And when the universe contracts, we return to the same place.
This range, despite having extremely little time. (Ten to the power of minus 43 seconds) But fast, it has passed several stages. This time has been wrongly timed by physics. Time and place have not yet been created. The state of Planck's realm has not yet come into the material world. For God, time does not pass. And time does not encompass God. Time is for the universe. Not for God.
In this range, which has no time or place, it only has heat. It is fire. It's hell. The temperature is ten to the power of 32 degrees Kelvin. First is "pure energy". Quantum range. First, pure energy is a rich source of photons. And then there are probably quantum strings. And as we get closer to the beginning of the expansion, by changing the temperature of a season or a chapter, the stages of this range are added. The Qur'an clearly mentions its two scientific stages. The range is ruled by the number 19 and the other is the range of God's throne over the number eight and quantum science.
Now we have to see where the numbers 19 and 8 are in the Qur'an? And what does it mean? These are the two numbers of quantum physics in the Qur'an. And says the elementary particles. I will tell you in which verses this matter is mentioned. And what a sublime and beautiful meaning it has. It tells the fate of the universe and its contraction. ...

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Oh look, more gibberish.

Heydarian, does the Quran command you to kill non believers, yes or no?

 

[IanS]

You are right. Because you do not know Arabic. The word particle and smaller than a particle is mentioned 29 times in the Qur'an. If you do not agree with me. Please seek help from someone who knows Arabic and is familiar with it.

Well we are talking about your claim that the Koran describes sub-atomic "particles", ie where you say it is explaining the structure of atoms ... so please quote any of those 29 verses (or “29 mentions”) :- quote the actual words, so that everyone here can see for themselves whether or not those sentences are actually describing the structure of atoms ...

... do not tell us what you believe or what you think can be "interpreted" from the written words ... just quote the actual written words from the earliest known copies of the Koran circa 700AD translated into English.

 

[sackett]

I just felt a breeze

Or something Deepak Chopra would say.

Well, maybe we don't know English, at least not well enough.

"Do vain your not-self up the bore."
"Bore your vein! Do not self!" (Junky wisdom?)
"Not bored? Do your vain self! Selah!"
"Nov shmozz kapop." (Esoterica! Yay!)

But remember, every Arabic word has 3 meanings: the surface meaning, the secret meaning, and "of a camel."

 

[Scorpion]

heydarian, you quoted verse 17. 50 from the Quran.

Surah 17.49 They say "what ! when were are bones and dust, should we really be raise up (to be) a new creation?."
Surah 17.50 Say : "(nay!) ye be stones or iron.

This refers to the resurrection of the body, Yes?

Well how do you account for my having received many messages from the spirits of my grandparents?

YOU ARE UTTERLY WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING,

We are not resurrected on judgement day, we go to a spirit world after death.

God does not burn his children, we all evolve together as a spiritual family and all are ultimately redeemed over many incarnations.
No one else on this forum believes me, as they are almost all atheists. They do not believe there is a God so they agree with me the Quran is garbage. But I am the only one telling the real truth. I do not care what it says, either in the bible or the quran,
I make my judgements based on much experience of getting messages from the spirit world in my own lifetime.

 

[Scorpion]

The Qur'an clearly mentions its two scientific stages. The range is ruled by the number 19.

You would not be referring to the number 19 theories of Rashad Khalifa would you.?

 

[abaddon]

heydarian, you quoted verse 17. 50 from the Quran.

Surah 17.49 They say "what ! when were are bones and dust, should we really be raise up (to be) a new creation?."
Surah 17.50 Say : "(nay!) ye be stones or iron.

This refers to the resurrection of the body, Yes?

Well how do you account for my having received many messages from the spirits of my grandparents?

YOU ARE UTTERLY WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING,

We are not resurrected on judgement day, we go to a spirit world after death.

God does not burn his children, we all evolve together as a spiritual family and all are ultimately redeemed over many incarnations.
No one else on this forum believes me, as they are almost all atheists. They do not believe there is a God so they agree with me the Quran is garbage. But I am the only one telling the real truth. I do not care what it says, either in the bible or the quran,
I make my judgements based on much experience of getting messages from the spirit world in my own lifetime.

Heydarian claims that HE is the only one telling truth.

It's like being in a candy shop. Which sweety will I choose?

I did warn you in PM. You are just going to get in a shooting match between your god and his god. Your beliefs and his beliefs.

Well, we have multiple threads for yours already.

And you were doing so well when you confined yourself to critique of the Quran, I was cheering you on. Now it has devolved into "my god is bigger than your god". Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian claims that HE is the only one telling truth.

It's like being in a candy shop. Which sweety will I choose?

I did warn you in PM. You are just going to get in a shooting match between your god and his god. Your beliefs and his beliefs.

Well, we have multiple threads for yours already.

And you were doing so well when you confined yourself to critique of the Quran, I was cheering you on. Now it has devolved into "my god is bigger than your god". Don't say I didn't warn you.

It was always going to come down to that, as I stated in post 1533.

My God IS bigger than his God.

 

[sackett]

...My God IS bigger than his God.

Well, actually, your god and his are exactly the same size.

 

[Lothian]

After the introductory remarks that I have made, I now want to tell you about the fundamental particles that are mentioned in the verses ...

heydrarian. I asked for this before and you have not provided it. Again you tell us what the Quran contains in a wall of words but once more you fail to quote the actual text in the Quran that tells us about the particles.

Are you embarrassed by the Quran?

Are you ashamed to quote your holy book?

Or are you liar? Is the Quran silent on the fundamental particles?

Show us the text. Put up or shut up.

 

[Scorpion]

God has sent Surah 112 of the Qur'an to future generations, who have attained a high level of knowledge,

Here is the verse for which heydarian says you need a high level of knowledge.

Quran surah 112
1 Say : he is Allah
2 Allah the eternal absolute;
3 He begetteth not, nor is he forgotten;
4 And there is none like unto him

Hedarian, did you notice the previous verse surah 111 in which Muhammad curses his own uncle and his aunt to hellfire because they did not believe in him. And went around telling people he was a fake?

I have already told you that verse 53 of Sura 41 proves the existence of God in a distinct way. Meaning:

"Soon we will show you in the heavens (the universe) and in yourself (the masterpiece of creation, the molecules of the life of the DNA) to know that God is right. Are these not enough to prove the existence of God? They testify. "

For the unenlightened the words in brackets in the above quote are added, and do not appear in the Quran. The following verse is what heydarian claims proves the existence of God.


Quran surah 41.53 Soon we will show them our signs in the (furthest ) regions (of the earth) and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that the Lord doth witness all things?

 

[heydarian saeed]

The Quran is a bloodthirsty book that commands you to kill non believers. Repeatedly. Stop trying to pretend that isn't the case.

Deal with the fact that your book instructs you to kill people like me Heydarian, stop deflecting.

I'm sorry
No, I will not kill anyone. Not only do I not kill you who are infidels. I do not kill any human being. I love human beings with all my being. And I love them. Those who are corrupt and criminal are prosecuted by civil and judicial laws. If you mean the government of my country. I am not a politician. And I do not want to know. But you check and see. Iran has friendly relations with China and the Soviet Union, which are infidels. And we have no problem with each other. The verses in the Qur'an for killing infidels are related to the wars of infidels against Muslims in the time of Muhammad. And his sentence has been executed. It has nothing to do with our time.
Of course, if a country or group intends to invade our privacy. We stand in front of it like a mountain. And we have no fear. And we treat him like him. And about the divine torment that is hard for you. I must say that: Our mentality towards divine punishments is wrong. The verses of torment in the Qur'an are for fear. you understood? That is, God says that human beings should behave properly. And do not commit sin, corruption or crime. Be a good human being for fear of punishment. It also says heaven to encourage good and humanitarian deeds.
On the other hand, God says in the Qur'an: It is not obligatory in your choice. The choice is yours. Choose any way you like. Do you want to suffer? Do you want to go to heaven? Both of these depend on our behavior and actions. Everyone sees the consequences of their actions. I will not be judged for you. You will not be judged for me. This is quite simple and understandable.
Do not hurt yourself too much. be happy. And do not worry at all. I know your peace of mind has diminished. And you are worried. Let me tell you why: Your unbelief has made this your mentality. Belief in God, of course, is very soothing in its logical and correct way. Of course, theism is a blind imitation, and I do not recommend it at all. The choice is yours. Please do not continue this discussion. And be positive.
I hope you have a good and happy weekend. Hope to meet

 

[MarkCorrigan]

I'm sorry
No, I will not kill anyone. Not only do I not kill you who are infidels. I do not kill any human being. I love human beings with all my being. And I love them. Those who are corrupt and criminal are prosecuted by civil and judicial laws. If you mean the government of my country. I am not a politician. And I do not want to know. But you check and see. Iran has friendly relations with China and the Soviet Union, which are infidels. And we have no problem with each other. The verses in the Qur'an for killing infidels are related to the wars of infidels against Muslims in the time of Muhammad. And his sentence has been executed. It has nothing to do with our time.
Of course, if a country or group intends to invade our privacy. We stand in front of it like a mountain. And we have no fear. And we treat him like him. And about the divine torment that is hard for you. I must say that: Our mentality towards divine punishments is wrong. The verses of torment in the Qur'an are for fear. you understood? That is, God says that human beings should behave properly. And do not commit sin, corruption or crime. Be a good human being for fear of punishment. It also says heaven to encourage good and humanitarian deeds.
On the other hand, God says in the Qur'an: It is not obligatory in your choice. The choice is yours. Choose any way you like. Do you want to suffer? Do you want to go to heaven? Both of these depend on our behavior and actions. Everyone sees the consequences of their actions. I will not be judged for you. You will not be judged for me. This is quite simple and understandable.
Do not hurt yourself too much. be happy. And do not worry at all. I know your peace of mind has diminished. And you are worried. Let me tell you why: Your unbelief has made this your mentality. Belief in God, of course, is very soothing in its logical and correct way. Of course, theism is a blind imitation, and I do not recommend it at all. The choice is yours. Please do not continue this discussion. And be positive.
I hope you have a good and happy weekend. Hope to meet

I;m not asking if you DO kill people and I'm not talking about Iran, I'm asking you to deal with the fact the Quran instructs you to do so. Why does the Quran instruct you to kill non believers?

Why would a moral book written by a perfect god command you to kill people simply for not believing?

As you bring up hell, why would a moral god create eternal punishment for finite crimes? Why is the morality of the god of the Quran worse than fallible humans? Why does it read like the rantings of a barbaric warlord rather than a loving creator?

The Quran is worthless as a book of morality unless you're using it as an example of how not to do it.