Thanks, Mark, for a polite and reasoned reply.
I'd opine that evidence of poor heydarrydown's rattling bolts lies not in his guerilla English but in his incapacity to use it to frame -- well, anything coherent. Also, I'd call his stubborn persistence in posting wads and truckloads of nonsense a pretty good sign of mania.
I should've said, a pretty bad sign.
But if you enjoy the game, then batter up and try for a hit.
I wonder: is there any way of measuring how many lurkers the forum has?
The replies to heydarian's posts are not really expected to change heydarian's mind, or even to get him to actually put his religious beliefs aside for a short while so that he could look objectively and honestly at the evidence from science and see why that is so clearly against belief in gods and miracles etc. Or more precisely - I don't think any of us expect to change heydarian's mind, or the mind and beliefs any committed theist, immediately right here and now on a forum like this.
Instead what I think is more realistic, is that (a) discussions like this may influence some theists (wavering theists perhaps) who read these threads but who rarely post anything, but (b) more importantly it can help theists like heydarian to re-examine their beliefs over a much longer period of time, and especially if other events in their lives cause them to have doubts about the validity or truth of what they have always believed.
For example – a while back I asked heydarian to think about the discovery of human evolution and how that could fit with a religion where the absolutely crucial core belief is that God deliberately made the universe as a place to create Mankind … in Christianity for example, that is AFAIK the entire basis for the belief (i.e. that was God's entire purpose). But how can that possibly fit with the discovery of evolution? What evolution shows is that God definitely did not make any humans.
Could the theory of evolution be wrong about that? Well … as I pointed out to heydarain long ago (20 pages back) there are now perhaps a couple of million research papers with all manner of evidence showning Man's evolution from earlier apes … but in stark contrast there are no genuine papers published showing any evidence against that at all, far less any paper producing evidence for miraculous creation by a supernatural God. So the evidence of science & evolution is totally overwhelming to show that biblical Christian beliefs in God's making of Man, are simply untenable.
Does Islam have that same central foundational claim that God's purpose was to create Man? I don't know, because although I asked him about that, heydarian never replied about any of that.
Most of what heydarian has concentrated upon in the second half of this thread, is the claim that the Koran is proved to be the word of God because the Koran contains hundreds of “descriptions” (that's heydarian's word for it) of modern science. That's a proof of God. Except that it does not contain any such description of modern science. Why is that so? Same answer as for evolution – if the Koran really did show writing from 600AD that described quantum physics, black holes, neutron stars, dark energy etc., all of which have been claimed here by heydarain, then scientists everywhere in the world would be falling over themselves to publish that clear evidence of a God creating the universe … but amongst what must be tens of millions of research papers published in the core science journals of physics, chemistry, biology and most of maths, there is actually not one that claims to show any evidence of the Koran having described any of those things in 600AD … not a single paper showing any evidence of that out of tens of million of papers on those subjects.
So why is that? Why is that we have millions of fundamentalist Muslims like heydarain repeating all these claims from their scholars of “I'jazz literature”, and yet not a single mention of any such evidence in all those millions of properly independent scientific research papers? No! Just flat-out, No! … no, if there actually was even the slightest genuine possibility of modern day scientific explanations of that sort in a Koran from 600AD, then the science research journals would be full of it … but instead the tally is Zero!
So why am I replying to you with the above? Is it because I think you missed all of that or don't understand any of that? No, of course not. I'm reproducing it here because I'm waiting for heydarian to address those sort of questions honestly in a genuine way … in the hope that one day he realises that his I'jazz beliefs cannot be right, otherwise it certainly would be in all the scientific research papers (whereas in fact, it's not in any of them!).
