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See my post 1151 which gives various translations of surah 51.7 none of which say the sky is a tightly woven fabric.

Hello. The word hobok and its derivatives has 32 meanings. And its 7 meanings are related to strong, stable and beautiful woven fabric. Visit the following Persian Arabic meanings site: https://www.almaany.com/fa/dict/ar-f
 
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Oh look you're back. So, care to finally deal with my rebuttals yet?

Hello . Please be careful. I have told you 4 logical philosophical arguments to prove the existence of God. You just said I do not agree and it is not so. You must answer me in a philosophical way. Do not just talk. Gossip has no credibility. Please be reasonable. Read my posts and your posts carefully. Do not just turn around. Be logical. Answer correctly.
 
A reminder: I have said many times in my article that the fetus enters the fetus at 4 to 6 months and after the body is complete.
pay attention; In fact, the material body is formed after evolution and the ability to find the transformation of the spiritual aspect of the human body. And the soul is created in the material body. I said you can observe this in the lab. I also introduced its tools. But unfortunately you do not. Don't you want to see the soul? To put it more clearly: the soul can be seen !! you understood? The soul can be seen. With the same eye that is on the face !! Why not do what you want to see?
I'm waiting to see if you want to do what you want or not?
 
The best evidence for a fact is that it happened at least once. The entry of the soul into the human body has happened billions of times since the creation of man !! So how can we not want to see it when we want to see it? !!!
I hope my crazy words are not terrible. And understand it correctly.
 
One verse says that the sun has light. Well, we understand this meaning because it is quite clear. This verse is called firm. And a verse or word does not have a clear meaning or has more than one meaning. This verse is called similar. Like the word hobok I said has 32 different meanings. The meaning of Yousef Ali says: way. This is a meaning of the word hobok. But it also has 31 other meanings. Which means 7 beautiful and strong fabric texture. Even the meaning of the way in this word. When we say the way in the sky, can we not understand that he means space wormholes? That's a way to get to the parallel world! Certainly so. The way in the sky can be called a wormhole. These meanings are for thoughtful verses and similar words for human understanding, not for ordinary human beings. I hope you are thoughtful and precise human beings. Thank you
 
The best evidence for a fact is that it happened at least once. The entry of the soul into the human body has happened billions of times since the creation of man !! So how can we not want to see it when we want to see it? !!!
I hope my crazy words are not terrible. And understand it correctly.

Show me a soul. I want to see it. I don't believe it exists.
 
No, heydarian sayeed, you can not see a soul. You can see things which change during the development of a fetus. Some people like to imagine some of those changes are caused by the arrival of a soul. Others imagine the soul was already there. Others think the soul arrives at a different time. Others think that's all just pretend and there is no such thing as a soul.

But nobody can see a soul. However much you insist some or other behaviour is the operation of a soul, that remains pure supposition and is not evidence of your claim being true. There is no evidence that souls are real.
 
Heydarian your "4 arguments" are just repacked Aquinas and are not convincing. They are based on special pleading.

Do you know what special pleading is?
 
The best evidence for a fact is that it happened at least once. The entry of the soul into the human body has happened billions of times since the creation of man !! So how can we not want to see it when we want to see it? !!!
I hope my crazy words are not terrible. And understand it correctly.

Sorry but no. You're just declaring that you are correct without evidence yet again.

What if I said that the foetus quickening was actually caused by the entry of our lord Satan into the foetus. Would you accept that? Why not? I mean you can see Satan enter the foetus because the foetus starts moving. All hail Satan!
 
A reminder: I have said many times in my article that the fetus enters the fetus at 4 to 6 months and after the body is complete.
pay attention; In fact, the material body is formed after evolution and the ability to find the transformation of the spiritual aspect of the human body. And the soul is created in the material body. I said you can observe this in the lab. I also introduced its tools. But unfortunately you do not. Don't you want to see the soul? To put it more clearly: the soul can be seen !! you understood? The soul can be seen. With the same eye that is on the face !! Why not do what you want to see?
I'm waiting to see if you want to do what you want or not?

Once again: nothing happens during the development of a human foetus that doesn't happen during the development of the foetus of every other mammal. So if it's evidence of a soul entering a foetus then every mammal has a soul. Every sheep. Every whale. Every rat. Do you really believe that rats have souls, heydarian?

You say that no-one has responded to your "proofs of God" even though several posters have, not to mention many philosophers, and you completely ignore points like this one. This is why no one takes you seriously.
 
... if it's evidence of a soul entering a foetus then every mammal has a soul. Every sheep. Every whale. Every rat. Do you really believe that rats have souls, heydarian?

It's possible he does. While Christians generally don't believe animals have souls I gather that's not the case for Muslims.

Not that it makes any material difference. Since it's just a make-believe concept, every bacterium might as well have one. Every tree. Every cloud. The more the merrier.
 
"Allusions to badly-understood modern science" would be even more accurate. The Koranic verse that's supposed to anticipate Relativity shows about the same second-grade understanding of that theory as "why are they still fish instead of human?" does of the actual theory of evolution.



I remember that- this lady, I think, at a premiere of a Chaplin film-
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Though I remember the assertion, by the Irish film-maker who spotted it, George Clarke (contemporary ABC News article, though the video is no longer there), that it was a cell phone she was using. I found this bit sort of amusing-



Right, it obviously couldn't have been an AM/FM radio (by which I assume he meant something like a transistor radio), because it was 1928, before those were invented, but could have been a cell-phone, even though 1928 was also before those were invented. Funny how a standard used to discard one possibility is itself quickly discarded to favor another.

Anyway, all this does go to show the danger in (and sometimes comical results of) interpreting what people were doing or understanding far in the past only by the light of what people do or understand now. Antonia Fraser has a quote (I think in her biography of Mary Queen of Scots) about the historian's need to understand that what people now see as in the past was once unseen in the future. That seems sort of applicable here, in that a perspective forced by faith results in a false view of its own history.

This sort of begs the question that if it was a modern cell phone, who was she talking to with (presumably) no other cell phone users & (certainly) no network?

These remind me of a story I read as a child of someone who steals a time machine and goes back to the medieval King's Court thinking their modern technology will make them seem a Merlin like mage only for one thing after another to fail (radio - no transmitters, record player - no power *This was the 1970s, etc) and they end up as a fool.
 
Hello . Please be careful. I have told you 4 logical philosophical arguments to prove the existence of God. You just said I do not agree and it is not so. You must answer me in a philosophical way. Do not just talk. Gossip has no credibility. Please be reasonable. Read my posts and your posts carefully. Do not just turn around. Be logical. Answer correctly.

Locke and Kant gave Aquinas a good kicking a few hundred years ago, for example.

Aquinas had the advantage of playing thought games and not subjecting his "ideas" to actual real world evidence.

You've not provided anything new, merely re-stating some watered down Aquinas.

Oh, and I still don't have a soul nor any class of a "spiritual" life.
 
These meanings are for thoughtful verses and similar words for human understanding, not for ordinary human beings.

So , us mere ordinary human beings cannot understand the Quran because it is so profound.

I must be very ordinary then because to me the Quran is simplistic, rambling, poorly constructed, repetitive drivel.
 
A reminder: I have said many times in my article that the fetus enters the fetus at 4 to 6 months and after the body is complete.
pay attention; In fact, the material body is formed after evolution and the ability to find the transformation of the spiritual aspect of the human body. And the soul is created in the material body. I said you can observe this in the lab. I also introduced its tools. But unfortunately you do not. Don't you want to see the soul? To put it more clearly: the soul can be seen !! you understood? The soul can be seen. With the same eye that is on the face !! Why not do what you want to see?
I'm waiting to see if you want to do what you want or not?

Where exactly do you get the idea that the soul enters the body at four to six months? On what authority do you base that view?

Bear in mind that I believe in God and the soul. and I have had many messages from the spirit world through trance mediums. They say the soul is attached to the body at conception. Strangely enough, so does the Catholic church.
 
It's possible he does. While Christians generally don't believe animals have souls I gather that's not the case for Muslims.

Not that it makes any material difference. Since it's just a make-believe concept, every bacterium might as well have one. Every tree. Every cloud.




Well, they move don’t they?
 
Like the word hobok I said has 32 different meanings. The meaning of Yousef Ali says: way. This is a meaning of the word hobok. But it also has 31 other meanings.

If a word has 32 meanings, how can you possibly tell what it actually means?
 
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