The supernatural

[Cosmic Yak]

The Qur'an confirms all religions and holy books.

Completely untrue.
The Roman, Greek, Hindu and Aztec pantheons, for example, have numerous gods. Islam has only one.
Buddhism and Taoism talk of reincarnation: Islam does not.
Moreover, Islam has all sorts of statements about how women are inferior and subservient to men: Taoism does not, and neither do the Greek or Roman religions.
As Scorpion has pointed out, the Quran relates ad nauseam the endless and horrible punishments your god metes out to unbelievers. This is the exact opposite of confirming all religions and holy books.
To give the example of Saudi Arabia, open practice of any religion other than Islam is illegal: Saudi Arabia is under Sharia law. The penalty for apostasy is death, by beheading with a sword. Not exactly free from compulsion, or confirming other religions, is it?
What about your own country? Can you be a practising Hindu in Iran? Can you convert from Islam to another religion? If not, why not?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Really...you didn't? I find that hard to believe.

Joe Morgue is simply highlighting the tone of Heydarian Saeed's posts. He insists that we should accept his claims at face value, because he terms them as assertions.

Hi dear friend. No, I do not claim. I have only researched the Quran. And I accept all the divine religions and their Bible. As the Qur'an says and confirms and confirms them. Because it basically has a writer and a sender. It is God. I am very grateful to you for saying that my dear and loving friend speaks to me in Qur'anic research and speaks freely for it. And also from you who have been with us from the beginning until now. I am proud to have all my friends.

 

[Scorpion]

. I have written examples of new science in the Qur'an for you.

Yes ! and I have refuted most of them as utter bunk.

 

[Scorpion]

The Qur'an confirms all religions and holy books.

No it does not, for example it denies the divinity of Christ, and it says he was not crucified.

There is a great deal about the crucifixion in the bible, so if the Quran is correct large swathes of the bible are made up fiction.

 

[heydarian saeed]

If that statement is acceptable to you then you have no good reason to reject the statement:

"The universe/multiverse is not dependent on time. It is constant and permanent. It did not come from anywhere!"

Either the concept of something existing without having been created is acceptable to you or it isn't. If you're going to allow one exception to your "everything must come from somewhere" assumption then "everything except the universe/multiverse came from somewhere" is preferable to "everything except God came from somewhere", as it doesn't introduce an unnecessary extra step.

Hello, dear lady, and with tact. God is not like this statement and you say. God is not the world. Rather, it is the creator of the universe. And he created all the other worlds that you imagine or do not yet know. I do not want to be too specific in this matter. Because I have to say that God is none of our human imagination. He is only God without any definition or name. If we give it a name, it is so that we can understand and know everything by its name. God also told me to tell God. No one knows what he is. And does not anyone need to know what he is? Because basically her gender is not what we think he is. We only know who he is. Because there is a universe. If we do not accept God, we are in fact the universe and we do not accept everything in it. And this thinking is the same as existentialism. And it is completely rejected.
Now everything I write for God is written in the translation of the third definite absent masculine pronoun. This is our translation and perception. But God is never a man or a woman. No one knows what he is? He or she .... the same thing happened again. This is our perception of God. But this is not God. He is alone. Because you are the world and everything in it. And I have a question for you. Allow: Does the car you are riding have a manufacturer or was it accidentally made under your feet ?! Does the house you live in have a builder or was it made for you by accident ?!
Thank you for listening to me.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Completely untrue.
The Roman, Greek, Hindu and Aztec pantheons, for example, have numerous gods. Islam has only one.
Buddhism and Taoism talk of reincarnation: Islam does not.
Moreover, Islam has all sorts of statements about how women are inferior and subservient to men: Taoism does not, and neither do the Greek or Roman religions.
As Scorpion has pointed out, the Quran relates ad nauseam the endless and horrible punishments your god metes out to unbelievers. This is the exact opposite of confirming all religions and holy books.
To give the example of Saudi Arabia, open practice of any religion other than Islam is illegal: Saudi Arabia is under Sharia law. The penalty for apostasy is death, by beheading with a sword. Not exactly free from compulsion, or confirming other religions, is it?
What about your own country? Can you be a practising Hindu in Iran? Can you convert from Islam to another religion? If not, why not?

Hi dear friend. Talk about divine religions, not non-divine religions. Make no mistake. pay attention; The Qur'an accepts and endorses all the divine religions and their Bible. Because its author and sender are one. It is God. However, the implementation of Islam and the Qur'an in Islamic countries is subject to government laws. And it is associated with politics. I have already said that you have forgotten. I said; The principle of Islam and the Qur'an is different from what Islamic governments practice and is associated with politics
And politics is associated with expediency and lies. And I have no desire to talk about it. But whether you say that in our country other religions, whether divine or non-divine, are free or not. I must say that there is no obligation to have Islam in our country. But anyone who wants to have another religion should not appear in public in order to preserve the social laws of the government in Islamic Iran. Or have a public ceremony. Well, this is normal and done in all governments. Am I allowed in your country to pray in the streets and in public or to mourn the death of Muhammad? No, your government arrests me and executes the sentence for disturbing public order, and this is absolutely true in your country. And I personally respect that. And I never do that.
Also, some Islamic governments act on some extremist rhetoric and radicalism. I personally avoid this type of performance and I do not agree.
In the end, I'm not interested in politics. Because it is associated with lies.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Yes ! and I have refuted most of them as utter bunk.

Hello my dear friend. Are you rare ?! Come on more! You are free to choose. And this is your opinion. And it is respectable. There are approximately 1.2 billion Muslims in the world who love the Qur'an. And they give their lives for him. I am one of them.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No it does not, for example it denies the divinity of Christ, and it says he was not crucified.

There is a great deal about the crucifixion in the bible, so if the Quran is correct large swathes of the bible are made up fiction.

The crucifixion of the Bible ?? !! Or the crucifixion of Jesus?

 

[Scorpion]

The crucifixion of the Bible ?? !! Or the crucifixion of Jesus?

I thought it was plain enough. I was talking about the crucifixion of Jesus.

There is a considerable amount about the crucifixion in the bible

According to the Quran it did not happen, so if the Quran is right the bible is largely fiction.

Therefore the Quran does not confirm the previous messages as it claims, instead it refutes them.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No it does not, for example it denies the divinity of Christ, and it says he was not crucified.

There is a great deal about the crucifixion in the bible, so if the Quran is correct large swathes of the bible are made up fiction.

But if you mean the difference in the crucifixion of Jesus himself, that is exactly what it is. I will tell you briefly:
In the Holy Qur'an, in Surah An-Nisa ', verse 157, it is emphasized that Jesus was not crucified and God took him to ascension, and we disagree with Christians on this issue because Christians believe that Jesus was first crucified and Then they were killed on the cross and then they were placed in the grave, and after 3 days they got up from the grave and then went to God.
The fact is that there is a kind of anxiety in what is said in the Bible and in the Gospels and in various reports, so that the Bible can not explicitly tell us that Christ (pbuh) was crucified. Is.
The incident is so vague that we can not say explicitly whether a crucifixion did not take place or if it did, that person was not Jesus Christ or that Jesus Christ was crucified but not killed. In any case, our trust in the Qur'an is and Not in history and in the Qur'an it is mentioned that "he was not crucified".
Many things, including the earthquake at the time of Jesus 'crucifixion and the consequent possibility of suspecting who was crucified, Pilate's ruler's surprise at the news of Jesus' death shortly after his crucifixion. He was given his death. All the evidence is that Jesus was not killed on the cross.
Of course, if an old man of old age were to be killed on the cross, it would take at least a while, let alone that Jesus was 33 years old at the time, so Pilate, who was present at the time, was surprised to hear that Jesus was killed. Woe to us who live 2000 years after the Prophet (PBUH).
It is even stated in the Bible that when they go to the apostles, they are afraid, so that Jesus Christ tells them why you are anxious and why doubts arise in your hearts, see my hands and feet that I am myself, and behold, he laid his hands on me, because the spirit hath not flesh and bones. And I am not a soul, but a human being like you.
These issues show that the Prophet wanted to prove that he was alive by eating in front of the apostles for this proof as well, so all this abundant evidence shows that Jesus was not killed. I hope your suspicion has been removed. Thanks

 

[heydarian saeed]

I thought it was plain enough. I was talking about the crucifixion of Jesus.

There is a considerable amount about the crucifixion in the bible

According to the Quran it did not happen, so if the Quran is right the bible is largely fiction.

Therefore the Quran does not confirm the previous messages as it claims, instead it refutes them.

No dear friend. Please read my article completely and accurately. What does it mean to be crucified in the Bible? I do not understand. Explain.

 

[Scorpion]

But if you mean the difference in the crucifixion of Jesus himself, that is exactly what it is. I will tell you briefly:
In the Holy Qur'an, in Surah An-Nisa ', verse 157, it is emphasized that Jesus was not crucified and God took him to ascension, and we disagree with Christians on this issue because Christians believe that Jesus was first crucified and Then they were killed on the cross and then they were placed in the grave, and after 3 days they got up from the grave and then went to God.
The fact is that there is a kind of anxiety in what is said in the Bible and in the Gospels and in various reports, so that the Bible can not explicitly tell us that Christ (pbuh) was crucified. Is.
The incident is so vague that we can not say explicitly whether a crucifixion did not take place or if it did, that person was not Jesus Christ or that Jesus Christ was crucified but not killed. In any case, our trust in the Qur'an is and Not in history and in the Qur'an it is mentioned that "he was not crucified".
Many things, including the earthquake at the time of Jesus 'crucifixion and the consequent possibility of suspecting who was crucified, Pilate's ruler's surprise at the news of Jesus' death shortly after his crucifixion. He was given his death. All the evidence is that Jesus was not killed on the cross.
Of course, if an old man of old age were to be killed on the cross, it would take at least a while, let alone that Jesus was 33 years old at the time, so Pilate, who was present at the time, was surprised to hear that Jesus was killed. Woe to us who live 2000 years after the Prophet (PBUH).
It is even stated in the Bible that when they go to the apostles, they are afraid, so that Jesus Christ tells them why you are anxious and why doubts arise in your hearts, see my hands and feet that I am myself, and behold, he laid his hands on me, because the spirit hath not flesh and bones. And I am not a soul, but a human being like you.
These issues show that the Prophet wanted to prove that he was alive by eating in front of the apostles for this proof as well, so all this abundant evidence shows that Jesus was not killed. I hope your suspicion has been removed. Thanks

Have you actually read the bible? because there is nothing vague about the
accounts of Jesus being crucified. The story is recounted in great detail in the four gospel books of the disciples.

See the following link

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-stories/crucifixion-of-jesus-bible-story.html

 

[Pixel42]

Hello, dear lady, and with tact. God is not like this statement and you say. God is not the world. Rather, it is the creator of the universe. And he created all the other worlds that you imagine or do not yet know. I do not want to be too specific in this matter. Because I have to say that God is none of our human imagination. He is only God without any definition or name. If we give it a name, it is so that we can understand and know everything by its name. God also told me to tell God. No one knows what he is. And does not anyone need to know what he is? Because basically her gender is not what we think he is. We only know who he is. Because there is a universe. If we do not accept God, we are in fact the universe and we do not accept everything in it. And this thinking is the same as existentialism. And it is completely rejected.

This does not address what I said in any way, shape or form. I can only assume that you missed my point completely.

And I have a question for you. Allow: Does the car you are riding have a manufacturer or was it accidentally made under your feet ?! Does the house you live in have a builder or was it made for you by accident ?!

Cars and houses do not have males and females who get together to produce lots of baby cars and houses on which natural selection can act.

For cars and houses there are only two possible explanations - either they were made by some kind of conscious entity, or they are the result of pure chance. Clearly the latter is so unlikely that the former can be assumed to be true.

For living creatures the fact that they reproduce means there is an alternative explanation: they are the end result of four billion years of evolution by natural selection.

For the existence of the universe there are several possible explanations, one of which is that a conscious entity (i.e. God) created it. This is the least satisfactory explanation, for the reasons I have explained. Alternative explanations are therefore preferred.

Thank you for listening to me.

If only I could say the same.

 

[Chanakya]

Hello dear friend. Thank you for your kindness. I am not involved in the book of Quran with old and ancient lies. Rather, the Qur'an that I believe in is up-to-date, real, and full of new and beautiful content. It depends on what glasses you look at it yourself. My glasses are new, not ancient and superstitious. And I have to say that there is no compulsion for me and there will not be. As you do not have to accept my words and opinions. Please be completely comfortable and free. And think and speak as you wish. I'm glad to meet you.

Thank you for your response, hedarian saeed. Your unfailing courtesy is appreciated, and the goodwill reciprocated.

However, for some reason, and that reason probably goes beyond purely technical issues to do with your translation software, you seem not to actually absorb what anyone is saying to you, even as you go through the motions of responding to them. For instance, I've twice asked you to explain the sense --- the clearly idiosyncratic sense --- in which you're using the word "laboratory". Even that simple clarification seems beyond your power.

Which is fine, that particular response, and request for clarification, wasn't central to this thread. And I realize that addressing posts from a whole bunch of posters here can get just a bit confusing. If you wish you could pick just one poster from this very page, and take the time and effort to clearly read what they're saying to you. People have taken a good amount of time and effort to clearly and patiently explain to you where exactly you're mistaken. You'd do well to try to understand what they're saying. Pick any one of them --- Pixel42 maybe, or maybe Scorpion, or Cosmic Yak, or Susheel, or anyone else you like --- and just revisit their posts to you in this single page, which shouldn't take you very long, and try to actually understand and only after having clearly understood them to address what they're actually saying. That would make for interesting discussion, and hopefully might rid you of the superstitions that you've carried with you all your life.

As far as this sentence, that you've yourself quoted and highlighted in this post of yours --- "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick --- do you actually understand what is being said there? It's a quote I myself think is really neat. Just think about it. If you should cease to believe in the Quran, and in Allah, and in the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH), and so on, then what is left? Is there any way to arrive at all of your articles of faith independently of your belief itself? Take any of your core beliefs, and try it. For instance, take your three most basic beliefs: that Allah created the world, and that Mohammed (PBUH) is his Prophet, and the Quran his message to humanity. How on earth do you know this, independently of your belief itself?

Try answering this clearly, if you would. You might yet, just perhaps, end up outgrowing your superstitions and your blind faith.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Hi dear friend. Talk about divine religions, not non-divine religions. Make no mistake. pay attention;

I did pay attention. You said all religions. Not just some of them. All of them.
Perhaps you should pay more attention to what you post.

The Qur'an accepts and endorses all the divine religions and their Bible. Because its author and sender are one. It is God.

Also not true.
Islam copied the Abrahamic religions, but denies many of their claims, states that their believers will be horrifically tortured for all eternity, and persecutes their followers in many Muslim-majority countries all over the world.

However, the implementation of Islam and the Qur'an in Islamic countries is subject to government laws. And it is associated with politics.

Sharia is not a political body of laws: it is a religious one.

I have already said that you have forgotten. I said; The principle of Islam and the Qur'an is different from what Islamic governments practice and is associated with politics

Islamic governments are not Islamic? Really?
Islamic law, Sharia law, is not Islamic?
Absolute nonsense, with a side order of No True Scotsman. (Look it up, Mr. Researcher).

And politics is associated with expediency and lies. And I have no desire to talk about it. But whether you say that in our country other religions, whether divine or non-divine, are free or not. I must say that there is no obligation to have Islam in our country. But anyone who wants to have another religion should not appear in public in order to preserve the social laws of the government in Islamic Iran.

So, even though some religions are accepted and endorsed by the Quran, they actually aren't.
You really aren't thinking about this, are you?

Or have a public ceremony. Well, this is normal and done in all governments.

A blatant lie.

Am I allowed in your country to pray in the streets and in public or to mourn the death of Muhammad?

Yes.

No, your government arrests me and executes the sentence for disturbing public order, and this is absolutely true in your country.

Another lie.
Name an instance of this.

Also, some Islamic governments act on some extremist rhetoric and radicalism.

And yet they are still Islamic. How curious. It's almost as if there is plenty of justification for discrimination (dhimmi laws), persecution (laws against blasphemy, e.g. in Pakistan), the killing of innocents (Takfiri doctrine), lying (Taqiyya), the oppression of women and a whole host of other abuses in the Islamic body of work (Quran and Hadith). Oh, and how does your country get along with Saudi Arabia? All tickety-boo? Good friends? What about Iran's meddling in Yemen, Lebanon and Syria? All good-natured Muslim stuff? No. You guys have been killing each other almost from the very foundation of your religion, and you show no signs of stopping. All in the name of Islam.

The problem with fundamentalists is that they, like you, take a literalist reading of their holy books. Daesh and the Taliban are more Muslim than most other Muslims. Moderation, as with Christianity, can only happen if the more inconvenient and bloodthirsty parts of the holy books are quietly ignored.
To believe in the literal truth of the Quran is to adhere to a doctrine of violence and oppression, based on pure superstition- and not even original superstition at that.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Heydarian answer my questions please. Stop ignoring them and hoping they will go away.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Hello dear friend and tactfully. You asked an important and beautiful question. It has been God. Before Creation. And it will be after the end of the universe. God is not dependent on time. It is constant and permanent. It did not come from anywhere! Because place and time are not defined for God. Place and time are for the universe and nature, not for God. I know that what I am saying is nothing more than a claim for you. And I recommend that you refer to the sources of philosophy and logic to prove this claim. Existential philosophy is my suggestion. Please refer if you wish.

You you know this is different from the Universe always existing because?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

"Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. DickBelief in reality is true. Belief is an inner truth, not an external one. And it is not of nature. And it is always constant. If belief in something changes, there is no change in belief, but in a person's attitude and vision. And everyone has the right to choose. Therefore, belief remains and is constant. While reality is changing and coming to an end.

I prefer Sam Johnson's response to George Berkeley's view that matter was nonexistent and that everything in the universe is merely ideal,. Johnson answered, striking his foot with force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it, "I refute him thus".

 

[sackett]

Are you listening, Dr. Berkeley?

I prefer Sam Johnson's response to George Berkeley's view that matter was nonexistent and that everything in the universe is merely ideal,. Johnson answered, striking his foot with force against a large stone, till he rebounded from it, "I refute him thus".

Johnson also once, seeing two large dogs fighting, gazed at them for a moment and then sprang forward, and cuffed them apart with several blows of his open hand.

IOW, don't mess with Sam'l.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Have you actually read the bible? because there is nothing vague about the
accounts of Jesus being crucified. The story is recounted in great detail in the four gospel books of the disciples.

See the following link

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-stories/crucifixion-of-jesus-bible-story.html

Hi dear friend. Good time. Of course, the crucifixion of Jesus is mentioned in the Bible, and Lee has minor differences in all four books. We do not intend to criticize the Bible, but we want to say that this is also in the Qur'an and in the history of Jesus as a historical figure. And the fact is that Jesus was not killed and is still alive and with God. I have also negotiated with some Christians and they believe that; "Jesus is not dead and is in us and raises us."